SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

eyes of god look from afar with great acuity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izArWUVtMC4

Just to make sure I'm on the the correct path...is it the drugs or McDonalds or...?

[klaasend]

Thank you Klaas...that is what I thought.  Just making sure.  Did you get my email last night?  Have you blocked all my emails?  I have missed another memo...haven't I? 

Yes I got your email and responded.  I would suspect for some reason your email server is blocking my emails to you 

I'll try sending my response from another email address.

[Lala'sMom]

Thank you Klaas...that is what I thought.  Just making sure.  Did you get my email last night?  Have you blocked all my emails?  I have missed another memo...haven't I? 

Yes I got your email and responded.  I would suspect for some reason your email server is blocking my emails to you 

I'll try sending my response from another email address.

Use my other email then....cindoal@yahoo.com.

[bleachedblack]

I do think now reading from Simian post 180 down that the killer must be a Casino worker that tried to off himself early from work.

Usually when someone refers to "offing" someone it means killing, NOT getting out of work.  Then again it appears from your writing that English is likely not your first language....forgive me if I am wrong about this.

[MumInOhio]

Found them in the next thread...

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

[MumInOhio]

COLUMBO…I know this is not what you are referring to as hidden, but suspects were clearly hidden.

 Ms Croes let it slip that Freddy was detained on the 9th and according to the Discovery Log timeline it appears that sometime after 6/16 and before Paulus was arrested he became a suspect.

I posted about the other likely arrests prior to Paulus’ that were made, to be altered to ‘not connected to the case’ and then ‘didn’t happen. If in fact this was the case then the whole concept of the 5th suspect would be changed.


This is one thing that I think excludes Paulus…he is definitely not a boy or a cool and crazy guy!!!!!!

183.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
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June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
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June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?
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[Lala'sMom]

Caps Lock
So do you think Guido is the 5th suspect?  You didn't' answer me when I was being facetious...I am curious as to your proof and reasoning on this. TIA

[COLOMBO]

ok....when was Lorenzo taken in....initially.....anyone?

[Lala'sMom]

Bringing this over from the NAH thread...easier to discuss here.

From CapsLockWizard:


Here is what I think has happen:

From the casino Joran and the Kalpoes went to C&C while the Casino worker (#5) was left working, #5 tried to off him self with an other worker, then leave the casino to go to this Party place. (the house)

#5 call Joran to meet at this party place. At the party place Natalee overdose on #5, Joran Waited outside at the Party Place gate outside and when the gates open, #5 come out and handed the body of Natalee to Joran. The Kalpoes where there since they have follows Joran from C&C and went waithing at the Dutch own Apartment with the Pool near Joran Home for Joran and the girl to return.

Joran drove to the Pool Apartment and it is here that they plan what to do with the body. meanwhile at the the pool they waited for the girl to come Back to life (but she never retain a heartbeat).

The Apartment in question with the pool is just 5 min walk from Jorans his house.

Around the pool they deside to plan what to do and here is where Joran got cought in this web.

Question why does he lied for this person? Who is this Casino Worker? If he asked to get off that night from work, then he imust be a Dealer Worker or a Supervisor, Managers do not have to request off.

After this Joran at this time desided to despose of the body in Montana body of water.

And here is where he commided a crime with the help of the Kalpoes.

This is my enterpretacion from the Simian post.

[MumInOhio]

ok....when was Lorenzo taken in....initially.....anyone?

I believe at the very least June 16th, quite possible that it was the 11th and a chance even earlier!!!

Lala's...opinion please!!!

[COLOMBO]

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[he clarifies]
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The father was confronted with evidence. Can’t confirm if it’s from the cars of the house.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon.
The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue. His sore and bloody tongue.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:54 pm
…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

149.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The Kalpoes know nothing. They will remain locked up for lying and obstructing the investigation.
Did I say something about a blue van? I don’t think so.

[Lala'sMom]

ok....when was Lorenzo taken in....initially.....anyone?

I believe at the very least June 16th, quite possible that it was the 11th and a chance even earlier!!!

Lala's...opinion please!!!

I was going to vote for the 11th...was trying to find something you posted once about it all. My brain is on slow today.

[COLOMBO]

his lordship is there to preserve babylon, not the elder:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=michael+posner+security

[COLOMBO]

elder had one, or two cards up his sleeve.....will one of the cards sing?

find DirtyHand

[Lala'sMom]

CapsLock
Here a few questions for you, if you wouldn't mind clearing them up for me.  I am very confused over your interpretation.  My questions in red. TIA

Bringing this over from the NAH thread...easier to discuss here.

From CapsLockWizard:


Here is what I think has happen:

From the casino Joran and the Kalpoes went to C&C while the Casino worker (#5) was left working, #5 tried to off him self with an other worker, then leave the casino to go to this Party place. (the house) So you think the term "offed" is referring to getting off from work early?  I seem to remember a rumor that Guido took off from work early  that night.

#5 call Joran to meet at this party place. At the party place Natalee overdose on #5, Joran Waited outside at the Party Place gate outside and when the gates open, #5 come out and handed the body of Natalee to Joran. The Kalpoes where there since they have follows Joran from C&C and went waithing at the Dutch own Apartment with the Pool near Joran Home for Joran and the girl to return. Do you have any idea where this party took place and at who's house it was? Why would Joran take her to a party and not go in himself?  Is he just a patsy for someone else? I am confused here...were the Kalpoes at this house also?  Or do you mean the Kalpoes were waiting at Joran's apartment?  Did Joran drive to this house? How did he get there?  Was he paid to provide Natalee and who paid him? 

Joran drove to the Pool Apartment and it is here that they plan what to do with the body. meanwhile at the the pool they waited for the girl to come Back to life (but she never retain a heartbeat). So is this apartment Freddy's place? Was Freddy making a movie and the Kalpoes and Joran would have viewed it, but Natalee died instead? How did you get that from Simian's posts? Please explain.

The Apartment in question with the pool is just 5 min walk from Jorans his house.

Around the pool they deside to plan what to do and here is where Joran got cought in this web.  Are you saying the Kalpoes were the ones that decided about the HI lie?  Do you think they paid Steve Croes to provide an alibi? 

Question why does he lied for this person? Who is this Casino Worker? If he asked to get off that night from work, then he imust be a Dealer Worker or a Supervisor, Managers do not have to request off.  What does this person have over Joran that would cause him to lie and be caught up in all this mess?  Is this the reason that nothing has ever happened?  The power lies here...with Guido?

After this Joran at this time desided to despose of the body in Montana body of water. So you are saying Natalee's body is in the pond area that contains all the dead dogs and appliances?

And here is where he commided a crime with the help of the Kalpoes.

This is my enterpretacion from the Simian post.

[Lala'sMom]

his lordship is there to preserve babylon, not the elder:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=michael+posner+security

So his lordship is Posner? And dirty hand is?

[COLOMBO]

his lordship is there to preserve babylon, not the elder:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=michael+posner+security

So his lordship is Posner? And dirty hand is?

get out your list......what we need to know is who was brought in just after PVDS, though I am unsure as to which time......and then also "walked with the fallen elder?" List who else was brought in that we know of, and try to tighten the timeframes.......

[MumInOhio]

ok....when was Lorenzo taken in....initially.....anyone?

I believe at the very least June 16th, quite possible that it was the 11th and a chance even earlier!!!

Lala's...opinion please!!!

I was going to vote for the 11th...was trying to find something you posted once about it all. My brain is on slow today.

Lala's was that the AP and maybe msnbc reort which they later said was not connected and then retracted? I'm pretty sure that was the 11th. I just saw it this morning going through my posts, but didn't save it and meant to.

I thought Caps mentioned Montana Apartments and I took that to be the name of the apartments, but thinking about it he/she? probably meant the area.

[Lala'sMom]

Our only problem is that the only thing we have to go on is the Dr. Phil documents.  They are only what was needed for the law suit, so I feel certain they are incomplete as to who was arrested and when.  It's hard to make a definite determination. This is what I can tell you...

Paulus was first questioned on June 14.  I don't think he was detained, just held for questioning. Again, it's fuzzy because I still don't understand the witness/suspect terminology as it relates to Aruban law.

Steve Croes appears to have been detained the next day. Before that...Freddy and Guido had already been questioned. Media reports called Steve the 4th person arrested.

Next in line are the Gottenbos brothers...Koen and Sander. Then Freddy is questioned again on the same day. 

Then they talk to Satish again and once more they talk to Freddy, Steve and then Jaime on June 17th. 

Paulus is questioned/arrested/detained on June 18 and also Steve Croes again. In between this...the ALE arrange a face to face between Satish and both Joran and Steve Croes.  That is interesting and I think Simian mentions this too.

Guido is still in the mix, because ALE talks with a friend of his too.  Finally Paulus is arrested/detained again on June 22.

Paulus is released on June 26 and Steve Croes on June 27.

Does any of this help you in any way?

[MumInOhio]

his lordship is there to preserve babylon, not the elder:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=michael+posner+security

So his lordship is Posner? And dirty hand is?

get out your list......what we need to know is who was brought in just after PVDS, though I am unsure as to which time......and then also "walked with the fallen elder?" List who else was brought in that we know of, and try to tighten the timeframes.......

On the 28th after Paulus was released, was Lorenzo, Freddy and the Kalpoe stepdad. That is of course that we know of. Here's the link for the Discovery Log Timeline.
there was a Kalpoe neighbor on the 26th and most everything else was interviews of the Mountain Brook group. I have no clue what the neighbor and stepdad have to with anything, but the timing is weird.

Notice in the associations column from the 23rd, that it appears Freddy is now a suspect. Carmen and Karen are listed as friends of van der Sloot/Arambatzis. Further up, the 16th or 17th, Sander is listed as a brother of Koen. This is odd.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm