SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...I thought that you may have posted this link and I can't find where I got it from this morning...Please read just a little way down....


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0


 

And I am looking for?  Help me here...I see many things Joran has said that makes you go hmmmmm. LOL

LOL...I was just coming back to tell you...it is the 4th post that Klaas made. All I will say is that is in one of the first 10 paragraphs....I know you will know what it is. Now where is my shocked smiley!

[CapsLockWizard]

Question :

Who came from Holland. was it he Mom of the Father slot.

Question : Who is the cowgirl that spread rummors to confuse the game?

almost done...

A small peek  summary:

MOB IN CASINO, PAPA SLOOT LOOSE AT THE GAME (BIG TIME). HE COULD NOT PAY THE BLUFF. THE SON WAS GOING TO BE SACRIFIED. HE HAD 10 DAY's TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY. HE WENT TO GET MONEY FROM HOLLAND BUT CAME EMPTY HAND. BUT ALSO CAME WITH A NEW PLAN.   USA MOB HoldS HIS SON   & HE WILL HOLDS SOMEONE FROM THE USA THAT IS IN THE HOTEL AS BARGAINING CHIP.

ALL WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON, USA GIRL MOM DID NOT ANSWER THE CALLS..SHE WAS NOT AT HOME. AND TIME WAS RUNNING OUT.

CASINO OWNER BREAK THE CHECKMATE AND THE MOB GOT PAID...THIS ACCTION LEAVE THE JUDGE AS A KIDNAPPER. AND THIS WILL LOOK BAD FOR ARUBA NATION.

SO HEN CAME TO ARUBA SHE KNEW ABOUT THE CALLS OF THE POSSIBLE KIDNAPPED.

SHE CAME AND WANT HER DAUGHTER AND HERE THIS FOR THE WORSE...


Back to my cryptology work.....

[CapsLockWizard]

LALA: Sorry that I do not respond to your questions or post, it is so that I have 30 pages of this whole riddle spread out between 3 computer and it has all my brain circuits going all over the place while at the same time documenting my findings and building this text decoder key for all the monkeys.

My appology if I did not answer to some of your question.

It is almost there. Had to sleep for a while, more that 24 hrs. on the work.

[MumInOhio]

Question :

Who came from Holland. was it he Mom of the Father slot.

Question : Who is the cowgirl that spread rummors to confuse the game?

almost done...

A small peek  summary:

MOB IN CASINO, PAPA SLOOT LOOSE AT THE GAME (BIG TIME). HE COULD NOT PAY THE BLUFF. THE SON WAS GOING TO BE SACRIFIED. HE HAD 10 DAY's TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY. HE WENT TO GET MONEY FROM HOLLAND BUT CAME EMPTY HAND. BUT ALSO CAME WITH A NEW PLAN.   USA MOB HoldS HIS SON   & HE WILL HOLDS SOMEONE FROM THE USA THAT IS IN THE HOTEL AS BARGAINING CHIP.

ALL WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON, USA GIRL MOM DID NOT ANSWER THE CALLS..SHE WAS NOT AT HOME. AND TIME WAS RUNNING OUT.

CASINO OWNER BREAK THE CHECKMATE AND THE MOB GOT PAID...THIS ACCTION LEAVE THE JUDGE AS A KIDNAPPER. AND THIS WILL LOOK BAD FOR ARUBA NATION.

SO HEN CAME TO ARUBA SHE KNEW ABOUT THE CALLS OF THE POSSIBLE KIDNAPPED.

SHE CAME AND WANT HER DAUGHTER AND HERE THIS FOR THE WORSE...


Back to my cryptology work.....

Caps...we were told that the mother, father and two younger brothers were in The Netherlands. The PV's state that Paulus had to go take care of the youngest son. I don't even know anymore if the Mom went there.

The cowgirl...do you mean Julia Renfro...editor I think Aruba Today or something like that.

And I thought one of my theories was 'out there'! Would like to know how you came to these conclusions when you're done. Thanks Caps!

Lala's....'only David left the den alive'

[ala_gunslinger]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
 

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing? ("who said the alibi played for van der sloot's....the 5th suspect is waltzing away")

who did Jacobs say ".....is not a suspect, was never a suspect...")

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

LORENZO

Didn't he move to Georgia?

Two words...

R O A D  T R I P!!!!!

[CapsLockWizard]

LALA: thanks for the cowgirl.

It is that the MOB had his son for not comming with the payment.

they put the siging beetle  in both house to make sure they did not talk to nobody..They were never alone.


The siging beetle where removed when they stage the search of the house a second time.

another note: we need the date that he came back to aruba... His son could not be in holland while this was going one. The other probably but not JvdS.. He was a pegg in this game.

[MumInOhio]

LALA: thanks for the cowgirl.

It is that the MOB had his son for not comming with the payment.

they put the siging beetle  in both house to make sure they did not talk to nobody..They were never alone.


The siging beetle where removed when they stage the search of the house a second time.

another note: we need the date that he came back to aruba... His son could not be in holland while this was going one. The other probably but not JvdS.. He was a pegg in this game.

Paulus was said to have returned the 29th...the Sunday, around 4 or 5, but he was in the casino that evening. Anita returned June 1st. Natalee disappeared the Monday morning after being in C&Cs on the 29th, Sunday. It has been rumored that Paulus made a quick trip to Florida shortly after Natalee vanished.

Gunslinger...hi...I think the Gottenbos' moved to Georgia and it has been rumored that Lorenzo went to Holland.

[Lala'sMom]

LALA: Sorry that I do not respond to your questions or post, it is so that I have 30 pages of this whole riddle spread out between 3 computer and it has all my brain circuits going all over the place while at the same time documenting my findings and building this text decoder key for all the monkeys.

My appology if I did not answer to some of your question.

It is almost there. Had to sleep for a while, more that 24 hrs. on the work.

Then go back and answer my questions.  There are many inconsistencies to your theory and they need to be addressed. TIA

[Lala'sMom]

Question :

Who came from Holland. was it he Mom of the Father slot.

Question : Who is the cowgirl that spread rummors to confuse the game?

almost done...

A small peek  summary:

MOB IN CASINO, PAPA SLOOT LOOSE AT THE GAME (BIG TIME). HE COULD NOT PAY THE BLUFF. THE SON WAS GOING TO BE SACRIFIED. HE HAD 10 DAY's TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY. HE WENT TO GET MONEY FROM HOLLAND BUT CAME EMPTY HAND. BUT ALSO CAME WITH A NEW PLAN.   USA MOB HoldS HIS SON   & HE WILL HOLDS SOMEONE FROM THE USA THAT IS IN THE HOTEL AS BARGAINING CHIP.

ALL WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON, USA GIRL MOM DID NOT ANSWER THE CALLS..SHE WAS NOT AT HOME. AND TIME WAS RUNNING OUT.

CASINO OWNER BREAK THE CHECKMATE AND THE MOB GOT PAID...THIS ACCTION LEAVE THE JUDGE AS A KIDNAPPER. AND THIS WILL LOOK BAD FOR ARUBA NATION.

SO HEN CAME TO ARUBA SHE KNEW ABOUT THE CALLS OF THE POSSIBLE KIDNAPPED.

SHE CAME AND WANT HER DAUGHTER AND HERE THIS FOR THE WORSE...


Back to my cryptology work.....

So are you saying that Beth knew about this mob connection?  And that she was arriving on Aruba knowing that Paulus was using her as bait or payment?  That is why she put kidnapped on the poster they printed? Judge was the kidnapper?  Paulus?  They were holding Joran or were going to kill Joran?  The mob had Joran or Lorenzo?  Paulus chose Natalee as a bargaining chip? 

[CapsLockWizard]

Here is the MOB link

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/10/10/palm-beach-county-florida-aruba-in-america-jorge-pesquera-tourism-at-all-cost/

It all make sense now

[CapsLockWizard]

one must Google Arawak casino mob in Aruba

[Lala'sMom]

Here is the MOB link

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/10/10/palm-beach-county-florida-aruba-in-america-jorge-pesquera-tourism-at-all-cost/

It all make sense now

I am glad you think so...now answer my questions....please! They are printed in red a few pages back.

[Lala'sMom]

I will make this easier for you:

CapsLock
Here a few questions for you, if you wouldn't mind clearing them up for me.  I am very confused over your interpretation.  My questions in red. TIA

Bringing this over from the NAH thread...easier to discuss here.

From CapsLockWizard:


Here is what I think has happen:

From the casino Joran and the Kalpoes went to C&C while the Casino worker (#5) was left working, #5 tried to off him self with an other worker, then leave the casino to go to this Party place. (the house) So you think the term "offed" is referring to getting off from work early?  I seem to remember a rumor that Guido took off from work early  that night.

#5 call Joran to meet at this party place. At the party place Natalee overdose on #5, Joran Waited outside at the Party Place gate outside and when the gates open, #5 come out and handed the body of Natalee to Joran. The Kalpoes where there since they have follows Joran from C&C and went waithing at the Dutch own Apartment with the Pool near Joran Home for Joran and the girl to return. Do you have any idea where this party took place and at who's house it was? Why would Joran take her to a party and not go in himself?  Is he just a patsy for someone else? I am confused here...were the Kalpoes at this house also?  Or do you mean the Kalpoes were waiting at Joran's apartment?  Did Joran drive to this house? How did he get there?  Was he paid to provide Natalee and who paid him? 

Joran drove to the Pool Apartment and it is here that they plan what to do with the body. meanwhile at the the pool they waited for the girl to come Back to life (but she never retain a heartbeat). So is this apartment Freddy's place? Was Freddy making a movie and the Kalpoes and Joran would have viewed it, but Natalee died instead? How did you get that from Simian's posts? Please explain.

The Apartment in question with the pool is just 5 min walk from Jorans his house.

Around the pool they deside to plan what to do and here is where Joran got cought in this web.  Are you saying the Kalpoes were the ones that decided about the HI lie?  Do you think they paid Steve Croes to provide an alibi? 

Question why does he lied for this person? Who is this Casino Worker? If he asked to get off that night from work, then he imust be a Dealer Worker or a Supervisor, Managers do not have to request off.  What does this person have over Joran that would cause him to lie and be caught up in all this mess?  Is this the reason that nothing has ever happened?  The power lies here...with Guido?

After this Joran at this time desided to despose of the body in Montana body of water. So you are saying Natalee's body is in the pond area that contains all the dead dogs and appliances?

And here is where he commided a crime with the help of the Kalpoes.

This is my enterpretacion from the Simian post.

So are you saying that Beth knew about this mob connection?  And that she was arriving on Aruba knowing that Paulus was using her as bait or payment?  That is why she put kidnapped on the poster they printed? Judge was the kidnapper?  Paulus?  They were holding Joran or were going to kill Joran?  The mob had Joran or Lorenzo?  Paulus chose Natalee as a bargaining chip? 

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.

CapsLoc Trans:
The Aruba Top Investigator means well, He understands the Aruba Investigators but they can keep the Judge in Jail.
The Alibi Judge alibi need to be broken, the pressure must be put on who was there because they have seen what was going on. Pauls get out and everything was cleaned up.  Who is the top investigator?  Do you have a name?   

[CapsLockWizard]

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I will make this easier for you:

CapsLock
Here a few questions for you, if you wouldn't mind clearing them up for me.  I am very confused over your interpretation.  My questions in red. TIA

Bringing this over from the NAH thread...easier to discuss here.

From CapsLockWizard:


Here is what I think has happen:

From the casino Joran and the Kalpoes went to C&C while the Casino worker (#5) was left working, #5 tried to off him self with an other worker, then leave the casino to go to this Party place. (the house) So you think the term "offed" is referring to getting off from work early?  I seem to remember a rumor that Guido took off from work early  that night.

#5 call Joran to meet at this party place. At the party place Natalee overdose on #5, Joran Waited outside at the Party Place gate outside and when the gates open, #5 come out and handed the body of Natalee to Joran. The Kalpoes where there since they have follows Joran from C&C and went waithing at the Dutch own Apartment with the Pool near Joran Home for Joran and the girl to return. Do you have any idea where this party took place and at who's house it was? Why would Joran take her to a party and not go in himself?  Is he just a patsy for someone else? I am confused here...were the Kalpoes at this house also?  Or do you mean the Kalpoes were waiting at Joran's apartment?  Did Joran drive to this house? How did he get there?  Was he paid to provide Natalee and who paid him? 

Joran drove to the Pool Apartment and it is here that they plan what to do with the body. meanwhile at the the pool they waited for the girl to come Back to life (but she never retain a heartbeat). So is this apartment Freddy's place? Was Freddy making a movie and the Kalpoes and Joran would have viewed it, but Natalee died instead? How did you get that from Simian's posts? Please explain.

The Apartment in question with the pool is just 5 min walk from Jorans his house.

Around the pool they deside to plan what to do and here is where Joran got cought in this web.  Are you saying the Kalpoes were the ones that decided about the HI lie?  Do you think they paid Steve Croes to provide an alibi? 

Question why does he lied for this person? Who is this Casino Worker? If he asked to get off that night from work, then he imust be a Dealer Worker or a Supervisor, Managers do not have to request off.  What does this person have over Joran that would cause him to lie and be caught up in all this mess?  Is this the reason that nothing has ever happened?  The power lies here...with Guido?

After this Joran at this time desided to despose of the body in Montana body of water. So you are saying Natalee's body is in the pond area that contains all the dead dogs and appliances?

And here is where he commided a crime with the help of the Kalpoes.

This is my enterpretacion from the Simian post.

So are you saying that Beth knew about this mob connection?  And that she was arriving on Aruba knowing that Paulus was using her as bait or payment?  That is why she put kidnapped on the poster they printed? Judge was the kidnapper?  Paulus?  They were holding Joran or were going to kill Joran?  The mob had Joran or Lorenzo?  Paulus chose Natalee as a bargaining chip? 

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.

CapsLoc Trans:
The Aruba Top Investigator means well, He understands the Aruba Investigators but they can keep the Judge in Jail.
The Alibi Judge alibi need to be broken, the pressure must be put on who was there because they have seen what was going on. Pauls get out and everything was cleaned up.  Who is the top investigator?  Do you have a name?  

That was from the SIMIAN Riddle and he must have been there. Shango Riddle is about the whole event leading to the sacrified but do not go in detail like shango. Shango must be well connected, to know what has happend and why it happend. Shango do not state name of the place where the body must been drop only the dirt water in noord.

Simian do state the two place.

I my report to Klaasend and FBI, I have come to a precise location in noord based on pure research.



Question who is a CASINO MOB KING ? 

With this, he must have been there or know

[klaasend]

Question who is a CASINO MOB KING ? 

Answer:  Posner?

[Lala'sMom]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.

CapsLoc Trans:
The Aruba Top Investigator means well, He understands the Aruba Investigators but they can keep the Judge in Jail.
The Alibi Judge alibi need to be broken, the pressure must be put on who was there because they have seen what was going on. Pauls get out and everything was cleaned up.


Please explain to me how you decided who the Aruba Top Investigator was?  Where did you get that?  I do not see that in Simian's post.

[ala_gunslinger]

LALA: thanks for the cowgirl.

It is that the MOB had his son for not comming with the payment.

they put the siging beetle  in both house to make sure they did not talk to nobody..They were never alone.


The siging beetle where removed when they stage the search of the house a second time.

another note: we need the date that he came back to aruba... His son could not be in holland while this was going one. The other probably but not JvdS.. He was a pegg in this game.

Paulus was said to have returned the 29th...the Sunday, around 4 or 5, but he was in the casino that evening. Anita returned June 1st. Natalee disappeared the Monday morning after being in C&Cs on the 29th, Sunday. It has been rumored that Paulus made a quick trip to Florida shortly after Natalee vanished.

Gunslinger...hi...I think the Gottenbos' moved to Georgia and it has been rumored that Lorenzo went to Holland.

Ahhh..

Thank you for the reply.

So WE are protecting THEM????

[CapsLockWizard]

TreatSurfers check this

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
His lordship did not bring the MONEY, it does not exist.
doors to eden remain closed. ---> door to the TRUTH remain closed
The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the DUTCH BORN and 2 KALPOES.
But the other card is dirty.

Even if you play cards in the house of THE SLOOTS as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.
If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the HOLLOWAY’S will circle the wagons.

DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon.

Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the HOLLOWAY’S go home
….without the loot


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the CASINO MOB, and so it has been for centuries…

[Lala'sMom]

We are protecting who?  The Sloots?  The caisnos?  The mob?  Who?  I am lost.

[CapsLockWizard]

I need a name for an USA CASINO MOB BOS war planner Planner that is connected or have links to the FBI or DEA

No kiddnaper because no kidnap,
 
Babalú Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:26 pm
The kidnapper is not Aruban
Van Rijn can not be pressured
The FBI would close in on the whole operation
The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit
They will not sacrifice Steve Croes