SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Buckeye]

Monkeys:

Need to know who was giong to hold the title to the Ritz Carlton

this mistery also envolve the opening of the Ritz Carlton and Casino.

Help need feetback

Marriott Group:

http://www.aruba.com/news/hotels/the-marriott-group-likely-to-develop-and-operate-the-ritz-carlton-aruba/


and backing out of deal:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/11/ritz-carlton-to-aruba-no-incentives-no-deal-who-calls-the-shots-in-aruba/

[CapsLockWizard]

Who works at THE NEWS?

[Buckeye]

ORANJESTAD-It is official and approved, Ritz Carlton will be operational in
Aruba in 2008. This comes after 3 years of negotiations between
Bazarian International Financial Associates the representatives of Ritz
Carlton and the government of Aruba. The government of Aruba granted
Ritz Carlton attractive incentives that include exemption of import duties......

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=25703&sid=74e4f0d4a948488623ef07b5157d09c7#275729



Do you have a sister named jenna??

[CapsLockWizard]

ORANJESTAD-It is official and approved, Ritz Carlton will be operational in
Aruba in 2008. This comes after 3 years of negotiations between
Bazarian International Financial Associates the representatives of Ritz
Carlton and the government of Aruba. The government of Aruba granted
Ritz Carlton attractive incentives that include exemption of import duties......

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=25703&sid=74e4f0d4a948488623ef07b5157d09c7#275729



Do you have a sister named jenna??

No,

Do you perhaps know the name of the casino that was gioing to operate in the Ritz Carlton and probably the owners

[CapsLockWizard]

MOKEYS:

The NEWS Newspaper is operated by who? and who work there that report this case

[Helen Back]

MOKEYS:

The NEWS Newspaper is operated by who? and who work there that report this case

El Diario - Editor Jossy Mansur

Aruba Today - Editor Julia Renfro, reporter Tito Lacle, sister newspaper Bon Dia - Photo journalist Julia Renfro (Friend of van der Sloots) Sometimes seen on FOX news and source of most misinformation on case as well as constant slandering and bashing of Natalee and her family

That's all I know.  Is this type of information what you are looking for?

[Helen Back]

Aruba newspapers:

Amigoe
Aruba Today
Awe Mainta
Bon Dia
Diario

[CapsLockWizard]

MOKEYS:

The NEWS Newspaper is operated by who? and who work there that report this case

El Diario - Editor Jossy Mansur

Aruba Today - Editor Julia Renfro, reporter Tito Lacle, sister newspaper Bon Dia - Photo journalist Julia Renfro (Friend of van der Sloots) Sometimes seen on FOX news and source of most misinformation on case as well as constant slandering and bashing of Natalee and her family

That's all I know.  Is this type of information what you are looking for?

Thkns for the info... it was needed to unravel the riddle...
This means that Julia is also part of the ganag.....


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the NEWS and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:29 pm
SLOOTS and KALPOES do not play with sandcastles
Follow the NEWS!
Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a goat

[MumInOhio]

I'm a little confused this morning....why would the Coastguard need to dig up a paved driveway....Shango says the road is not paved....just what is Eden...Mother Holland, the new hotel/casino, the money....

And who the heck is David...'only David left the den alive'...and why was his mother.......nevermind I'll go and try and find out myself....I guess I'm on ignore...

 

[MumInOhio]

Oh and one more thing....Caps please explain how you got Saveneta out of Shango's riddle? Is it because of Lorenzo. Simian tells us to look for Moko, TES got hits there, but were unable to search....

[Lala'sMom]

Oh and one more thing....Caps please explain how you got Saveneta out of Shango's riddle? Is it because of Lorenzo. Simian tells us to look for Moko, TES got hits there, but were unable to search....

I would like to know how he came up with the Ritz Carlton and why he's implicating Julia Refro. What gang?  Julia is part of what gang?  What about the insurance scam that Simian talks about?  Yes, and how did Lorenzo's home in Savaneta get in this?  I am like you, I didn't see that anywhere in Shango's riddle...heck! Everyone knows that I would like to prove that one...just for the sake of my own sanity. 

[Lala'sMom]

Capslock translation:

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the NEWS and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED

Actual Shango riddle:
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED


Please explain how you came up with the NEWS as the MUSIC?  How does follow the music translate into follow the news?  Did you mean Julia or are you referring to Jossy Mansur also?  I think those two are the owners of the news around Aruba and if you mean real news I would think you mean Jossy...never read much that came from Julia's papers but fluff pieces and tall tales.

What does "Mary who was not a virgin" mean  in your context? Who are the DiceMen?  Shango capitalized them so is that significant? What does "rolled" mean in your context of the riddle?  I am sure you think these are minor things in the grand scheme, but they need to be answered in order to actually solve the riddle...well to me anyway. 

[MumInOhio]

Oh and one more thing....Caps please explain how you got Saveneta out of Shango's riddle? Is it because of Lorenzo. Simian tells us to look for Moko, TES got hits there, but were unable to search....

I would like to know how he came up with the Ritz Carlton and why he's implicating Julia Refro. What gang?  Julia is part of what gang?  What about the insurance scam that Simian talks about?  Yes, and how did Lorenzo's home in Savaneta get in this?  I am like you, I didn't see that anywhere in Shango's riddle...heck! Everyone knows that I would like to prove that one...just for the sake of my own sanity. 

Good Morning Lala's....and I notice that in Caps theory that there is no mention of Freddy....I know he is up to his eyeballs in this otherwise he would not have been questioned as often as he was....and why did his Dad get annoyed at Anita and leave when she was interrogating Freddy... and why would they even go there when she beckoned....I'm sure if she wanted to talk to me, she could come to me....

And Luis Ramirez....why was the Kalpoe sister questioned on 6/20...what could she tell them....and why was Val not questioned or Sebastion and didn't the Judge say the main house couldn't be searched because of the younger brothers who were supposed to be in Holland...little hung up on this Holland thing this morning...LOL....have to think it through....

[Lala'sMom]

MOKEYS:

The NEWS Newspaper is operated by who? and who work there that report this case

Are you implicating Tito also?  I would like clarification please.  How does he fit into this scenario?  Maybe I misread that too.  Where is that in the riddle?  I think I am on ignore too, Mum.  <<<<<<<<<<heavy sigh>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Lala'sMom]

Hi Mum!  Glad you are here.  What do you think about this idea?  Let's begin at the beginning again and try to connect the dots one line or phrase at a time...Maybe I am reading this all wrong in relation to Caps, but there are way too many inconsistencies and loose ends that must be tied up in order to claim riddle solved. What do you think? Maybe if we do that, Caps would place his comments in along with ours and we could get a better understanding of where he's coming from...just an idea.

[MumInOhio]

Hi Mum!  Glad you are here.  What do you think about this idea?  Let's begin at the beginning again and try to connect the dots one line or phrase at a time...Maybe I am reading this all wrong in relation to Caps, but there are way too many inconsistencies and loose ends that must be tied up in order to claim riddle solved. What do you think? Maybe if we do that, Caps would place his comments in along with ours and we could get a better understanding of where he's coming from...just an idea.

OK with me...when I looked at the Simian posts IIRC they start on 6/17 and then miss a few days...am I correct in this or are some missing?  If this is right, why did he take that break....Klaas mentioned someone posting under another name the other day, do you recall who it was? I had a heck of a time yesterday going back to see what jackb said about van der straten's paintings and then only found one and I'm sure it wasn't the one that he mentioned, but still have to go back and find the original post. TIA

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas knows the names that Simian (or at least the IP or email addy were the same) posted under.  I knew this at one time...right now I can't remember.  Maybe Klaas will remind my feeble mind...I think I even had that stuff in some kind of order before my last computer crash.  Alas, I can't remember now.  I think there were posts on other forums as well, just not under the normal nicknames. 

What I would like to do it compare everybody's interprtations with some of the known facts ( or as factual as things get in this case) with some of the more unsubstantiated stories.  I am not saying Caps doesn't know what he's talking about...I am saying it needs to be backed up with a few more facts, posts, or whatever we can find to be taken seriously.  Colombo should be happy...Caps is talking his language with the casino and Posner...Still looking for Dirty Hand...has Caps said who that is yet?  And what about Arawak Dirty Hand?  I get the feeling that Arawak to Caps means something other than what all those code talkers thought. 

Let's just rip it all apart again and start over...let's make it work this time.  I am fairly free this weekend anyway. How about you?

[Buckeye]

I have no idea why I am posting this for CAPSLOCK.

There is a business called The News at Italiestraat 5, phone 582-4725.  I can't find out anything else.  Perhaps someone can do a Chamber search.

http://www.arubayp.com/ListBossPage.html

[Buckeye]

Mum

The privilege log relates to items given to Deepak.  If Val gave a statement it might be in the log of Joran and/or Paulus.  We have only seen items that Deepak has listed as possibly related to the Dr. Phil request for items.  We have not seen everything available on the case.

[MumInOhio]

Will be around today, but probably not tomorrow and back on track on Monday.

The hard part will be choosing which lies we want to follow....there are so many. That was a lot of the reason I went right back to the very first posts and CNN stories to see what I could glean before all the misinformation started. I think it started on the front page around the 6th already. So much to read and so little time....

Thanks Buckeye....Klaas just posted that link for the Chamber and I thought I bookmarked it and I didn't. Of Course...