SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

This is what I am referring to from one of Capslock's psots:

From CapsLockWizard:


Here is what I think has happen:

From the casino Joran and the Kalpoes went to C&C while the Casino worker (#5) was left working, #5 tried to off him self with an other worker, then leave the casino to go to this Party place. (the house)

#5 call Joran to meet at this party place. At the party place Natalee overdose on #5, Joran Waited outside at the Party Place gate outside and when the gates open, #5 come out and handed the body of Natalee to Joran. The Kalpoes where there since they have follows Joran from C&C and went waithing at the Dutch own Apartment with the Pool near Joran Home for Joran and the girl to return.

Joran drove to the Pool Apartment and it is here that they plan what to do with the body. meanwhile at the the pool they waited for the girl to come Back to life (but she never retain a heartbeat).

The Apartment in question with the pool is just 5 min walk from Jorans his house.

Around the pool they deside to plan what to do and here is where Joran got cought in this web.

Gottebos' have a gate, but not a 5 minute walk

The casino worker, Lorenzo Wever, that I found last night.(I like the breakfast theory)

Jackb...Thanks..I have seen both pictures, just throwing it all out there to see if anything sticks...as San said...nothing sticks to Freddy!

[COLOMBO]

mum:

re: youtubes......

always believed tat context is needed........
 

[MumInOhio]

And I have left a window open on David, a rather large one at that, unless Tyler or BT can convince me otherwise….Remember the ‘Watch list” that Joran was on when he landed in New York.

 

Hi Mum,

Actually, I think Shango was confused when he said only David left the den alive. He surely was making a reference to Daniel in the lion's den. If that is the case, then we assume that Daniel/David be a reference to the person who came with Natalee to the "lion's den," but left alive while Natalee was killed there?

Hi BT,

Thanks....That's why I left a window open, I think I have my David, just need his last name as we all know Joran lies. But he was at the raquet club the following day.

Found this a long time ago and copied it for reference.  Just happened to have it.  J/b

 looking back over some notes I took down way early in this case, I see that I wrote that a number of people left Aruba within days of Natalee going missing. They were: Michael Posner, owner of the Holiday Inn Sunspree &
Excelsior Casino, Jacobus Lorenzo"David" Wever, the Casino Manager; Paul
Brough aka Mr. Pink of Pink Productions, a widely distributed porn site; Alberto
Levy-Nacam, Operations Manager of Carlos N Charlies of Aruba, Guido Wever,
Blackjack Dealer, Coupier at the Excelsior Casino; Van der Straaten, Chief of
Polis in Aruba, the predecessor of Karen Jannsen, Chief Prosecutor of the Dutch Judicial Dept.-Koen Gottenbos, cousin of Joran Van der Sloot, Lorenzo
Van Rijn, owner of an auto and 4 wheeler company in Aruba, and R & S Auto
Repair shop down near the Barcadera area and the Free Port, where drugs are imported into the island via boats, helicopter, small private planes.

Thanks...jackb....

[jackb]

Klaasend: or LALA

This riddle is two stories in one, to confused the readers.

it is like two story on top of each other, Pealing the layers and all comes clear

Question

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles

Answer: two power groups that supposed to build the the Ritz Carloton but did not build it.

Who are they?

For some reason I always took this to mean she was being abused on the beach as well after possibly fleeing the party and perhaps being temporarily buried until disposal or until a more secure place could be found.   Jack b

[COLOMBO]

JVDS reminds Deepak (on singing beetles):

"They control you"

[Helen Back]

And I have left a window open on David, a rather large one at that, unless Tyler or BT can convince me otherwise….Remember the ‘Watch list” that Joran was on when he landed in New York.

 

Hi Mum,

Actually, I think Shango was confused when he said only David left the den alive. He surely was making a reference to Daniel in the lion's den. If that is the case, then we assume that Daniel/David be a reference to the person who came with Natalee to the "lion's den," but left alive while Natalee was killed there?

Hi BT,

Thanks....That's why I left a window open, I think I have my David, just need his last name as we all know Joran lies. But he was at the raquet club the following day.

Found this a long time ago and copied it for reference.  Just happened to have it.  J/b

 looking back over some notes I took down way early in this case, I see that I wrote that a number of people left Aruba within days of Natalee going missing. They were: Michael Posner, owner of the Holiday Inn Sunspree &
Excelsior Casino, Jacobus Lorenzo"David" Wever, the Casino Manager; Paul
Brough aka Mr. Pink of Pink Productions, a widely distributed porn site; Alberto
Levy-Nacam, Operations Manager of Carlos N Charlies of Aruba, Guido Wever,
Blackjack Dealer, Coupier at the Excelsior Casino; Van der Straaten, Chief of
Polis in Aruba, the predecessor of Karen Jannsen, Chief Prosecutor of the Dutch Judicial Dept.-Koen Gottenbos, cousin of Joran Van der Sloot, Lorenzo
Van Rijn, owner of an auto and 4 wheeler company in Aruba, and R & S Auto
Repair shop down near the Barcadera area and the Free Port, where drugs are imported into the island via boats, helicopter, small private planes.

Thanks...jackb....

Was not aware of this one.  wow

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:06 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:09 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
DirtyHand knows this
Children of the Elders play in the maze, (play=pimps)
but DirtyHand is afraid to rave

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:29 pm
Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles
Follow the music!
Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:32 pm
THE DRAX SCORES
drax Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles=
they weren’t on the beach?

DirtyHand holds the key to the secrets of the SlanderFoot Clan

Shango Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 2:39 am
The arawaks must hunt the lions
in the place of darkness
house of secrets   (DH holds the real key-to open unknown doors)

Shango Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 1:55 am
Find the music
Only David left the den alive  (the father?)

Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles
Follow the music!
Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover its secrets

[MumInOhio]

COLUMBO ....will look at them tomorrow....

jackb...Lorenzo/David/Wever all rolled into one ... WOW

Not the David I was thinking of, but I do like this one!

[Buckeye]

COLUMBO ....will look at them tomorrow....

jackb...Lorenzo/David/Wever all rolled into one ... WOW

Not the David I was thinking of, but I do like this one!

Died in March 2006

http://www.mementomori.net/06069.html

[jackb]

Jack
You have me confused on this "elder" thing now...are you talking about a brother older than Joran?  TIA

elders could be parents
elder could be elder sibling (Koen/Sander, Joran/Val
elder could be elder of a church or "civiv" organization (ie.,lions)
elder could be the older of the two or oldest of the bunch. 

It seems "elder" goes in there somewhere, but how it is meant to be used may be used more than one way.       Jack/b

[MumInOhio]

COLUMBO ....will look at them tomorrow....

jackb...Lorenzo/David/Wever all rolled into one ... WOW

Not the David I was thinking of, but I do like this one!

Died in March 2006

http://www.mementomori.net/06069.html

Audreselda Wever questioned by Jacobs the day before...coincidence....

[jackb]

Keep talking Mum...I am listening with both ears this time. LOL

Me too...darn phone ...so what do you think Simian meant by 'too difficult to post here'?

Can only be a few things...
Taken off the island
Held in a crackhouse or house
something 'bad' happened
kidnapped...per Caps
Any more

cremated ......but I'm not really here........

I hope not, but agree it is a strong possibillity. (But I did see you...LOL)

Still trying to read a little of that thread, and I think that Joran's confession was on the 16th, and the one on the 10th was possibly Satish....No more questions for Satish....LOL

Quoted from CNN journalistCAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone. There is a breaking news out of Aruba. Aired June 9, 2005 - 07:0 ET    Karl Penhaul is in Aruba on the phone now with the latest



HEMMER: Certainly is. Breaking news from Aruba just moments ago, learning there are new arrests now in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Karl Penhaul is in Aruba on the phone now with the latest.

Karl, what did you find out?

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Bill, three young men have been arrested in connection with the investigation for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. As we speak, their homes are being searched for clues and any evidence that prosecutors can glean.

The island's chief prosecutor, Karen Janssen, has told me that the three men who are now arrested are the three men last seen in Natalee Holloway's company. Those are the three men with whom she left the Carlos and Charlie's Mexican bar in the wee small hours of the Monday when she disappeared. That then takes the note to five the total of people now arrested in this case over the weekend. Of course, those two other suspects, two security guards who were arrested and who yesterday have been detained for further eight days -- Bill.

HEMMER: Karl, what's the relationship between the three men picked up last night and the two men in court yesterday?

PENHAUL: Defense attorneys say there's absolutely no relationship between the group at all, that the group of two arrested over the weekend do not know the group of three now arrested. That, though, is obviously a key relationship which the police and prosecutors will be closely looking at. We do, of course, know that the three young men arrested this morning are friends. They do know one another, and they had been at Charlie and Carlos' bar.

HEMMER: Karl Penhaul watching that story in Aruba with breaking news. Again, to repeat, three others taken into custody overnight in Aruba, three young men who were seen at that bar with Natalee Holloway more than a week ago. So as Karl watches that in Aruba, we'll watch it here. More news when we get it.

Aired June 9, 2005 - 07:0 ET    Karl Penhaul is in Aruba on the phone now with the latest

[jackb]

COLUMBO ....will look at them tomorrow....

jackb...Lorenzo/David/Wever all rolled into one ... WOW

Not the David I was thinking of, but I do like this one!

Aruba seems to have a huge problem getting news about this case out on the wire, or even from private citizens.  There is a HUGE name with the AP, Margaret Weaver, I believe it is, wonder if there is a connection.  She is one of the chief honchos as AP.  I am not into trying to get a connection here, but someone may be.  I have right many irons in the fire already.      Jack b

Died in March 2006

http://www.mementomori.net/06069.html

Audreselda Wever questioned by Jacobs the day before...coincidence....

[Helen Back]

Jack
You have me confused on this "elder" thing now...are you talking about a brother older than Joran?  TIA

elders could be parents
elder could be elder sibling (Koen/Sander, Joran/Val
elder could be elder of a church or "civiv" organization (ie.,lions)
elder could be the older of the two or oldest of the bunch. 

It seems "elder" goes in there somewhere, but how it is meant to be used may be used more than one way.       Jack/b

Sometimes I check urban dictionary etc. for other or slang uses for words.  Has anyone ever heard of "elder" used in reference to gay men?
 
 

[CapsLockWizard]

LALA, Klaasend:
Remeber the day that I asked to take a look at Simian Riddle

Then I asked for the Shango Riddle.   well it is almost solve.


Well Monkeys here is a peek...

text in the brackets are the keys and substitution for what is in front of the bracket Underline



Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:16 pm
You must remember
The Arawaks (Reporter) placed singing beetles (the Source) with the Babylonian(Sloot’s) and the two Shivas (Kalpoes)
They were never alone

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:22 pm
Because the fallen judge (now a Lawyer) agreed, he can sing any song he wants
A poisonous siren in the halls of babylon
He will sing to keep doors open, much to the cowboys (Holloway’s) distress

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:26 pm
The maze (laws) of Babylon (Netherland) is very difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent
The Arawaks (Reporter) cannot reveal their singing  (the source) card
many teepees (Business) would be destroyed and the cowboys (Holloway’s) would get upset.
the singing (the source) card is bad luck for wampum (economy) for many moons (months)
So there must be some type of sacrifice
The gods (Aruba Government) are hungry, the cowboys (Holloway’s) are hungry
Great disruption in the halls (department) of Babylonian (dutch) palace (government)


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks (Aruba Law Enforcement) hold singing card from Babylon (………...)
There is also a trio. One Babylonian (Sloot’s). 2 Shivas (Kalpoes).
Arawaks (Aruba Law Enforcement) can’t let babylonian (Sloot’s)Card sing because hand holding it (an Aruba law enforcement) dirty too.
Many teepees (Police) fall. No Wampum.(Security)
Cowboys (FBI) eat Sacrifice. Arawaks (Aruba Law Enforcement) eat sacrifice.
Dirty hand (an Aruba Law Enfrocement) stays hidden, but all are well-fed.
Cowboys (FBI) happy, but unrest in the halls of the palace (the government)
Babylon (……………) owes the Arawaks (Reporter)!

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians (MIU) knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks ,(Aruba Law Enforccement)
The way is clouded for the sacrifice (Joran)
Rules have changed, so has the maze


the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police (………..);
to spare the teepees (The Police Department)
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks (Reporter) worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship (M.O.) will bestow the title soon….. See date Bondia 20-01-2008
They will save the teepees (the Police department) and the palace, (Aruba Government)
but first
The Sacrifice

I have it in word format with colors and Underlines and it look much eazy to read.

[Buckeye]

Caps

The code is confusing.

Arawaks= Reporter sometimes. ALE sometimes ??
teepees= businesses sometimes, police sometimes??

[CapsLockWizard]

Tknks for mention it... but it is not an error

the coder of this document use The Arawak, Arawaks and arawak

so you have to search for a definition that make sense first form an event and use that to search the whole document for the same presice word. and replace it , I did not repace the text to remember where I have seen the text before.

The coder also uses The Cowboys and the cowboys

the cowboys are 44 time in the text and Cowboys are 4

the work key comes in all the text and in single size means there is no varations

Eden

eden

Eden is beconning == is where the will meet but they cover it up like it is a project that sopose to be build at the hotel sire.

the fist clue is = lose is babylonia offspring = dutch

[CapsLockWizard]

I was in the process to correct the error in speeling and I am being disconnect

the riddle is all done the only thing left was to put the player in this movie..

[klaasend]

We are experiencing some server issues.  I've been having problems as well.

[Buckeye]

Caps

I was no good, at this topic, the first time around.  I have not improved.

When you are done, please post what you think happened to Natalee.

TIA