SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Other things from Joran's statememt that make me go hmmm...

That Joran could hurt his Dad by what he said. 

Joran wanted to wait until his father made a statement before he made one.

That it appears that Joran feels he has the power to force his father's release...


   

Mum, what stood out to you?

Much of the same...insisting he wouldn't leave because Anita was coming....LOL...who the heck was in charge! Remember he was still 17 at this time...my kid would have been shaking in her boots at that age...even now if it was law enforcement.

I would love to see some more statements....

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's....did you just put all those 'shock' posts together? Funny how things jump out at you when they are taken 'out of context' LOL

Now....back to rereading....and trying to understand what COLUMBO is trying to tell me...'in context'....

Not me...I just knew where to find them.  Don't have them all and there are some missing that I have found later in other places. 

[MumInOhio]

Lala's....did you just put all those 'shock' posts together? Funny how things jump out at you when they are taken 'out of context' LOL

Now....back to rereading....and trying to understand what COLUMBO is trying to tell me...'in context'....

Not me...I just knew where to find them.  Don't have them all and there are some missing that I have found later in other places. 

Had you seen those Grey Whisper posts before?

Did you get your mail?

I wonder if Paulus was in charge of contracts in 1999/2000 when all those millions went for airport improvements for the FOP per the 10 year agreement.

[Bearlyhere]

Other things from Joran's statememt that make me go hmmm...

That Joran could hurt his Dad by what he said. 

Joran wanted to wait until his father made a statement before he made one.

That it appears that Joran feels he has the power to force his father's release...


   

Mum, what stood out to you?

Much of the same...insisting he wouldn't leave because Anita was coming....LOL...who the heck was in charge! Remember he was still 17 at this time...my kid would have been shaking in her boots at that age...even now if it was law enforcement.

I would love to see some more statements....

Yes, it seems like the tail is wagging the dog in Aruba.

I think any typical teenager would be doing the same as your daughter.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's....did you just put all those 'shock' posts together? Funny how things jump out at you when they are taken 'out of context' LOL

Now....back to rereading....and trying to understand what COLUMBO is trying to tell me...'in context'....

Not me...I just knew where to find them.  Don't have them all and there are some missing that I have found later in other places. 

Had you seen those Grey Whisper posts before?

Did you get your mail?

I wonder if Paulus was in charge of contracts in 1999/2000 when all those millions went for airport improvements for the FOP per the 10 year agreement.

Yes, did you check your email?  I sent you something.

[MumInOhio]

Thanks....I was trying to email Klaas and lost what I was going to send and had to redo, but I did get it....I don't think I'll ever catch up.

Been trying to find stuff on the airport and I think 2000 is when Paulus was in charge of contracts....thinking along the lines of what power he had. Just a thought.

[Lala'sMom]

You can't catch up. there is always something new to read. LOL  I may find something else you are interested in...keep checking your mail, just in case. 

[klaasend]

This photo of David Wever was emailed to me:

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Klaas....all of these names seem to be connected, strange that no one knows each other though...

Lala's....I know I won't catch up...not today anyway...LOL

[Lala'sMom]

This photo of David Wever was emailed to me:

Thanks for posting.  How does he fit in this again?  I am still on the confused list.

[klaasend]

Lala's - I know Joran mentioned David in his book.

[MumInOhio]

This photo of David Wever was emailed to me:

Thanks for posting.  How does he fit in this again?  I am still on the confused list.

LOL....A little confused myself today... I was in the other thread and thought I was here...

He came about because of 'only David left the den alive'. And then we began finding David/Lorenzo Wevers. This is the one jackb commented on as leaving and going to the Netherland. The other one that died was 69 and had Lorenzo and a nickname of 'David' in his name I believe. Remember I posted a couple of days ago about two Lorenzos...well I think that's where it started...but I'm not sure as I'm confused...LOL

[MumInOhio]

Lala's - I know Joran mentioned David in his book.

Klaas...do you think this is this David? 

I have been following Joran's mentions of David and found another one that is really interesting with an interesting Mother....US...different surname...but believe the surname to be probably fake.

[Lala'sMom]

I wonder if I can get credit for the new dictionary entry?

con·fu·sion      /kənˈfyuʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-fyoo-zhuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.   the act of confusing.
2.   the state of being confused.
3.   disorder; upheaval; tumult; chaos: The army retreated in confusion.
4.   lack of clearness or distinctness: a confusion in his mind between right and wrong.
5.   perplexity; bewilderment: The more difficult questions left us in complete confusion.
6.   embarrassment or abashment: He blushed in confusion.
7.   Psychiatry. a disturbed mental state; disorientation.
8.   Archaic. defeat, overthrow, or ruin.
9.   Reading the Shango thread at Scared Monkeys.

[Bearlyhere]

I wonder if I can get credit for the new dictionary entry?

con·fu·sion      /kənˈfyuʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-fyoo-zhuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.   the act of confusing.
2.   the state of being confused.
3.   disorder; upheaval; tumult; chaos: The army retreated in confusion.
4.   lack of clearness or distinctness: a confusion in his mind between right and wrong.
5.   perplexity; bewilderment: The more difficult questions left us in complete confusion.
6.   embarrassment or abashment: He blushed in confusion.
7.   Psychiatry. a disturbed mental state; disorientation.
8.   Archaic. defeat, overthrow, or ruin.
9.   Reading the Shango thread at Scared Monkeys.

 

[MumInOhio]

LOL.....now I think I need to take my question for Klaas over to the other thread..

Bringing these over from the main threadDRAX is the destroyer
Scores could be music or the Drax scores could mean Killed or destroyed.
Babalu is a jester, a host or a dj, or master of ceremony type.
The Original Shango said:  Babalu left his post at (and game time)  I thought to be 12:01 or so.  He may have left his station (ship--Tattoo??.)  Disk Jock Croes?  Got fired.  Was not on the ship overnight.  He never signed out and was fired.

Shivas:  like body guards and used as gofers.

Consort:  Husband to the queen or intimate to a person.

Dirty Hand ( I forgot at this time what that meaning is)

The morphing is done thruogh changing of looks and names as the pictures change subtly, as the words and sayings in Shango, enough to change the meaning.

The original Shango has been changed so subtly, but over time has become whatever anyone seems to want it to be to prove their point or throw off those who see some meaning to the answers. 

Mary:  The only name used.  Why?  Why not use "the girl"  Is mary a person, or a girlfriend of one of those at the gathering, perhaps a married woman who befriended the "lamb."    The lamb could have been who was raped and became a goat.  The original Shango did not specify who was the lamb, or why one name was used in all the sayings of his.  I just thought this as being strange.  XTC, DNA is not necessarily drugs, as I said it could be a tag, a licence number on a vessel of some sort.

Threadsurfer is maritime language meaning small boats going over waves or threading the waves to get through a maze of coral (maze is another maritime word.)

Shango used old language as is in the Bible in parts and maritime expressions.

There is a House of David there.  A great house with smaller houses surrounding them who serve the great house.  The house of david is a resort for those of alternate sexual preference.  There is an underground chain of them.  They cater to those who want privacy and some who are well known from different countries who are keeping secretes due to their positions.  Whatever goes on there may be more than just the deflowering of young maidens.  They are a cultish people who bind together in these scenarios.

Isn't this just the strangest thing?     jack blue


From Helenback
Isn't this just the strangest thing?     jack blue

Maybe the alternative definition of "elder" I posted in S&S is not so far off after all.   

Strangest thing indeed, jack.


From jackb
Also while I am thinking about it:  The hammer and block is abstract justice, ie, the gavel and block it is hit upon.  The force behind the gavel (enforcement) would most likely be the Law Enforcement.  The actual banging of the gavel the judicial and the block the prison where is the final stopping of the criminal, or incarceration.  Yellowhammer, the word I have not read in Shango, could mean the blong headed enforcer of the law.  I just was thinking of the indians calling Custer "yellow hair."  The pointing to by the prosecuting with the evidence does not mean justice will be given.        Jack blue


From Bearlyhere
I thought "Mary" was used because it was a common name.  Mary who was a virgin as opposed to "Mary" who isn't (like Mary Magdeline).  I thought the maze was an introduction to sex...not a voluntary one, one which was difficult to escape.

[COLOMBO]

Mary
Mary who was not a virgin (Magdelene)

suggests either a transaction, or a "judgement"

there is more than one house of music

even if you play cards in the house of Babylon as an Arawak, you still have DirtyHand

the only other reference to cards is:

the arawaks hold the singing card from babylon
there is also a trio
   # # # # # # # # #
the maze of babylon is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

the lamb ran bleating.......

[bleachedblack]

Mary
Mary who was not a virgin (Magdelene)

suggests either a transaction, or a "judgement"

there is more than one house of music

even if you play cards in the house of Babylon as an Arawak, you still have DirtyHand

the only other reference to cards is:

the arawaks hold the singing card from babylon
there is also a trio
   # # # # # # # # #
the maze of babylon is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

the lamb ran bleating.......

here are more references to cards.......sorry if this wasn't what you meant



Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:37 pm
Why don’t the Arawaks to play the BabylonianCard ?
The posse is far from the fort and the loot is gone
The indians can’t count on the cowboys
The arawaks need to audition the singing card

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
Elder needs to sing to preserve his lineage
To agree to remain silent is to agree not to hum any tune
The Arawaks are desperate, they fear for the tribe, they do not want war with the cowboys
But the loot remains hidden
And the Arawaks keep their singing card hidden as well
The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:57 pm
The Arawaks may not need to play the singing card
The cowboys won’t hear the music and the teepees will be safe
Wampum is needed as the doors closed on Eden

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:26 pm
The maze of Babylon is very difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent
The Arawaks cannot reveal their singing card
many teepees would be destroyed and the cowboys would get upset
the singing card is bad luck for wampum for many moons
So there must be some type of sacrifice
The gods are hungry, the cowboys are hungry
Great disruption in the halls of babylonian palace

there are many more references to cards if you want them.....

[COLOMBO]

many card game references......but what game is being played? not poker.......

".............even if you play cards as an Arawak"

"......some elders of the game, not just of babylon (Arawak game, too), walk in older circles....."

[COLOMBO]

maze of babylon is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent