SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Bearlyhere]

Just curious...I wonder what Anita's full name is.....Anyone!   

I don't think I have her "full" name, but I think I have her maiden name saved somewhere, I'm looking...

Anita Hugen van der Sloot

Thanks TM I was wondering if Her name included Mary or some version....

HP  Anita is a form of Anna.  Anne is Mary's mother.
Does that help?

[hotping]

Just curious...I wonder what Anita's full name is.....Anyone!   

I don't think I have her "full" name, but I think I have her maiden name saved somewhere, I'm looking...

Anita Hugen van der Sloot

Thanks TM I was wondering if Her name included Mary or some version....

HP  Anita is a form of Anna.  Anne is Mary's mother.
Does that help?

BH To be honest I don't know if it does or not I just keep trying to think of reasons that Mary was used in the riddles......

[texasmom]

 

ME Too! This S/S stuff will make You crazy...LOL!

yes, indeed.....this is me

[Bearlyhere]

many card game references......but what game is being played? not poker.......

".............even if you play cards as an Arawak"

"......some elders of the game, not just of babylon (Arawak game, too), walk in older circles....."

Not all expert players of the game (elders--those wise to the game) are young, some have been doing this a long time or are old or hang out with older people.  (Joran hangs out with his Dad).

[Bearlyhere]

Just curious...I wonder what Anita's full name is.....Anyone!   

I don't think I have her "full" name, but I think I have her maiden name saved somewhere, I'm looking...

Anita Hugen van der Sloot

Thanks TM I was wondering if Her name included Mary or some version....

HP  Anita is a form of Anna.  Anne is Mary's mother.
Does that help?

BH To be honest I don't know if it does or not I just keep trying to think of reasons that Mary was used in the riddles......

I'm just trying not to add to the confusion.  What I mean is-am I making things more confusing for those who have been doing the Shango Tango and The Simian Shimmyin' for much loger than me?

[hotping]

many card game references......but what game is being played? not poker.......

".............even if you play cards as an Arawak"

"......some elders of the game, not just of babylon (Arawak game, too), walk in older circles....."

Not all expert players of the game (elders--those wise to the game) are young, some have been doing this a long time or are old or hang out with older people.  (Joran hangs out with his Dad).

I would say that he hangs out with his Dad and they Scope out unexpecting tourist girls....I think when Joran made His comment about We have done this 20 times before.... that Dad was right in there with Him....just like that night in the casino video. JMO

[hotping]

Just curious...I wonder what Anita's full name is.....Anyone!   

I don't think I have her "full" name, but I think I have her maiden name saved somewhere, I'm looking...

Anita Hugen van der Sloot

Thanks TM I was wondering if Her name included Mary or some version....

HP  Anita is a form of Anna.  Anne is Mary's mother.
Does that help?

BH To be honest I don't know if it does or not I just keep trying to think of reasons that Mary was used in the riddles......

I'm just trying not to add to the confusion.  What I mean is-am I making things more confusing for those who have been doing the Shango Tango and The Simian Shimmyin' for much loger than me?

I know what You mean sometimes I feel like an intruder......

[Bearlyhere]

I'm just trying not to add to the confusion.  What I mean is-am I making things more confusing for those who have been doing the Shango Tango and The Simian Shimmyin' for much loger than me?

For much longer than me.

(Must be getting a cold)

[Bearlyhere]

Just curious...I wonder what Anita's full name is.....Anyone!   

I don't think I have her "full" name, but I think I have her maiden name saved somewhere, I'm looking...

Anita Hugen van der Sloot

Thanks TM I was wondering if Her name included Mary or some version....

HP  Anita is a form of Anna.  Anne is Mary's mother.
Does that help?

BH To be honest I don't know if it does or not I just keep trying to think of reasons that Mary was used in the riddles......

I'm just trying not to add to the confusion.  What I mean is-am I making things more confusing for those who have been doing the Shango Tango and The Simian Shimmyin' for much loger than me?

I know what You mean sometimes I feel like an intruder......

Thanks HP, that is exactly what I mean.   

[hotping]

 

ME Too! This S/S stuff will make You crazy...LOL!

yes, indeed.....this is me

I really respect all the Monkeys that have working this thread for so long...they are real troupers....Sincerely

[hotping]

Looks like Caps Info is so believable that He can't post it Here but thats OK if it will help find Natalee and get some proof of what happened.....  MO

[texasmom]

 

ME Too! This S/S stuff will make You crazy...LOL!

yes, indeed.....this is me

I really respect all the Monkeys that have working this thread for so long...they are real troupers....Sincerely

I agree!  I don't see how some of them have done it as long as they have.  I tried working on it for several months at one time but had to step away, the whole thing was really wearing on me.  I have the utmost respect for those that just keep on picking away at it and I'll try to help when I think I have something that might help.  I just worry that I'm more of a nuisance since I haven't been involved with all of the discussions and have missed a lot of what has already been said. 

[hotping]

Just curious...I wonder what Anita's full name is.....Anyone!   

I don't think I have her "full" name, but I think I have her maiden name saved somewhere, I'm looking...

Anita Hugen van der Sloot

Thanks TM I was wondering if Her name included Mary or some version....

HP  Anita is a form of Anna.  Anne is Mary's mother.
Does that help?

BH To be honest I don't know if it does or not I just keep trying to think of reasons that Mary was used in the riddles......

I'm just trying not to add to the confusion.  What I mean is-am I making things more confusing for those who have been doing the Shango Tango and The Simian Shimmyin' for much loger than me?

I know what You mean sometimes I feel like an intruder......

Thanks HP, that is exactly what I mean.   

You're Welcome BH! I truly wish I could be more helpful in this S/S mess. Good Night ALL....

[Bearlyhere]

Just curious...I wonder what Anita's full name is.....Anyone!   

I don't think I have her "full" name, but I think I have her maiden name saved somewhere, I'm looking...

Anita Hugen van der Sloot

Thanks TM I was wondering if Her name included Mary or some version....

HP  Anita is a form of Anna.  Anne is Mary's mother.
Does that help?

BH To be honest I don't know if it does or not I just keep trying to think of reasons that Mary was used in the riddles......

I'm just trying not to add to the confusion.  What I mean is-am I making things more confusing for those who have been doing the Shango Tango and The Simian Shimmyin' for much loger than me?

I know what You mean sometimes I feel like an intruder......

Thanks HP, that is exactly what I mean.   

I just looked down the quote stacks, we must all be related because we all look alike.

 

[hotping]

OMG WE Do Look Alike!! I Always wanted a couple of sisters....LOL Good Night !

[texasmom]

Looks like Caps Info is so believable that He can't post it Here but thats OK if it will help find Natalee and get some proof of what happened.....  MO

I'm going to trust him and Klaas on that.  I really want to know the results but maybe we can find out another way without him having to post it.  I hope anyway.  Truthfully, if it will help find resolution...I don't need to know anything!

I'm calling it a night, I'm going to HATE myself tomorrow at work!

Goodnight HP and anyone else that's still here!

[texasmom]

goodnight bearlyhere!    lol

[Bearlyhere]

many card game references......but what game is being played? not poker.......

".............even if you play cards as an Arawak"

"......some elders of the game, not just of babylon (Arawak game, too), walk in older circles....."

Not all expert players of the game (elders--those wise to the game) are young, some have been doing this a long time or are old or hang out with older people.  (Joran hangs out with his Dad).

I would say that he hangs out with his Dad and they Scope out unexpecting tourist girls....I think when Joran made His comment about We have done this 20 times before.... that Dad was right in there with Him....just like that night in the casino video. JMO

I think 20 times was a low ball figure, that was only how high he could count at that moment. 

It looks like any orifice at any time in any position--outy or inny, or any location, in front of anyone.  I am not talking about someone who is truly one way, the other, or both.  It's dehumanizing, it's not about sexual preference, it's about whatever is there when I feel like it.  Not whoever but whatever.

Lamb--quite, docile or Goat--will "eat" anything.

I can't imagine that prostitutes make any money there.  It looks like most anyone will "roll over" or be drugged to "roll over" at any time.

[Bearlyhere]

goodnight bearlyhere!    lol

Nite.  Take a nice nap when you get home (or fake yourself out and tell yourself all day you are going to).

 

[MumInOhio]

LOL....you guys are confused.....I can't even decipher COLUMBO'S riddles....

For Lala's 5th. suspect.....

P179-181

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

D: I'm not going outside much (in prison), since they're asking too much
shit.
S: When you stay on your own, you'll start to think too much, so don't stay
on your own. Talk to people. Play domino.
D: I've told them that they should arrest Freddy as well.
S: The three of us have been arrested, but he just knows the truth.
D: I've told them to arrest Koen and Sander as well. f***ing all of them.
From me, they won't get any hint, as long as the truth keeps hanging. None
of them are friends, except for us. Do you get it? Do I get it? (<- this is
a Dutch saying when " something doesn't make sense")
S: I have nothing, there is nothing, nothing from me and I didn't do
anything.
D: I'm not afraid of that shit
S: I'm not afraid. I don't worry.
D: I want them to get ("find") the girl, so, but preferably alive. But
anyway, if they'll find her dead, yeh, then that's bad luck for the family.
But when they find her, they'll know exactly who did it. That's what I all
learned from (???). I want them to get her. I know (???)
S: I know where I am. I am close to the truth. I'm always close to the
truth.
D: I'm not afraid. I do miss mum and all those things. That bores me.
S: Yes.
D: Not that I'm afraid. The worst has already happened. I've already come to
the worst place, so nothing worse than this can happen, do you understand?
But I know, that when I get outside (be released) then they are going to pay
me very well.
D: I'm not afraid. It also depends on that f***ing statement. Yeh, since
there's one (or a) person who changes his story every time. That (person)
has made already six statements, I guess. But they are all pure shit (???)
and I'm still in it (here).
S: (???)
D: You push (???)
S: And by let give to let go (???)
D: It is impossible, swa. When you start that car the whole neighborhood
will hear it.
S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close
with (???)
S: Anyway, bad luck.
D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy
with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
S: I know he knows truth
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask
him.
D: Freddy knows
S: Yes, he knows that if that person maybe has told him some details (???)
that I don't know, but I also know what that person has told me. That is the
first and the story that we made up, that I know (???)
D: That boy is also arrested, no. Steve. He has been solved too, so then
it's solved too (???)
S: He didn't do a thing.
D: It has been solved.
(.)
D: Up till today, I haven't told any shit about him, whether he did
something with the girl or that the chick.
S: We've only told the truth
D: Yep, because he hasn't told me anything and I don't know it. I'm not
gonna lie about him. But the more he talks (??????) I would never never
never talk shit about him like: "he did do this or that to the girl",
because I don't know.
S: Must just declare the truth
D: I'll never do that. But let him talk shit. I'll never say something
against or about (???) him. Never, just tell the truth. And that's also what
I've always declared in my statements. His attorney will point that out to
himself. I'll never (falsely) accuse somebody.

In a second statement on June 13th, Freddy "keeps insisting" that Joran told him the HI story on May 30th. In his sixth and seventh statements Freddy repeated that Joran had unsuccesfully tried to revive an unconsious Natalee and that Joran thought that a black tourist couple on the beach would look after Natalee.

P153

The girl said that if the Kalpoe brothers would had lived in her city,
they would have been slaves. After this they drove to the hotel. When the
girl opened the door of the car she fell on the ground. Joran wanted to help her, but she pushed him away. [...]

The next day, Tuesday May 31st, 2005 in the afternoon I was with Joran
at the Racquet Club. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I remembered
what he told me about the girl the day before, I said yes. The girl appeared to be missing.

P. 154

Joran characterizes Freddy's statement as remarkable, primarily because it was only in the night of May 30th May 31st that Joran concocted the HI drop off story as until he learned Natalee was missing, he had no reason to lie about his leaving Natalee on the beach.

Joran believes Freddy got the dates wrong and that he told Freddy the lie on May 31st. Joran denies having stated that the girl fell unconscious and that "we" left her on the beach. Joran does not consider the mistakes strange as witnesses often have problems concerning dates, events from almost two weeks earlier.

That night (presumably the 12th) Freddy and his parents visited the VDS parents and Freddy told them and Antonio Carlo what had happened.

P. 155

Freddy again told his version of his and Joran's May 30th conversation. Carlo constantly asks Freddy why Freddy thought Joran said or did what Freddy was relating Joran said or did.

Paulus says nothing to Freddy but did ask Anita "Why does Joran lie, and why did he not tell us.
             ---------------------------------------------------------

I believe they caught themselves in their own lies, again....IIRC the Racqut Club was Monday the 30th....so now Joran,Freddy and David were at the Racuet Club and who else was there? Koen...Sander...Guido...Dos Santos....more homework!

Remember Sander told Freddy that his phone was stolen....now when was it stolen -30th - and just when did he tell Freddy-31st....and why the heck would he tell Freddy....


I will go back and see what the statements say about Tuesday, May 31st and the Raquet Club, but I don't recall them being there two days in a row. Somehow I can't see them congregating there after the Twitty's arrived either.