SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

would that suite be the "Great House" with a window overlooking Babylon?

LOL...this is about the only one I have got....

COLUMBO'S  Path.....the Penthouse at the Wyndham...
Joran delivered Natalee to the 'Black team"....but again IIRC the Security Guards for the Soul Beach Festival wore black also.

Per Shango, somewhere in the riddle, 'a elder'....doesn't appear to be talking about Paulus IIRC....Jaime's Dad works at the Wyndham....LOL....maybe more useless information

I recall something to the effect 'she was a virgin...made you mad....you had to give her up'. Who said this? Was it a post that was deemed to be a fake. I haven't seen it in my reading....TIA

[MumInOhio]

According to Caps I'm on the wrong path again....LOL

From the main thread....quote...


CapsLockWizard on January 27, 2008, 11:10:39 AM


No monkeys it is not the Black Team

it is new becuase not even Babalu knows who they are

it is the BSB and the BBE "

it is the new Quick Intervention Unit. The QIU

[COLOMBO]

many card game references......but what game is being played? not poker.......

".............even if you play cards as an Arawak"

"......some elders of the game, not just of babylon (Arawak game, too), walk in older circles....."

Not all expert players of the game (elders--those wise to the game) are young, some have been doing this a long time or are old or hang out with older people.  (Joran hangs out with his Dad).

Neither 'game' is describing cards here.....review the posts

Babylon:   'the game'=prostitution, children of the elders 'play'

arawaks:   '..........hold the singing cards, there is also a trio' [hint, they are in jail]

[Bearlyhere]

many card game references......but what game is being played? not poker.......

".............even if you play cards as an Arawak"

"......some elders of the game, not just of babylon (Arawak game, too), walk in older circles....."

Not all expert players of the game (elders--those wise to the game) are young, some have been doing this a long time or are old or hang out with older people.  (Joran hangs out with his Dad).

Neither 'game' is describing cards here.....review the posts

Babylon:   'the game'=prostitution, children of the elders 'play'

arawaks:   '..........hold the singing cards, there is also a trio' [hint, they are in jail]

I don't think the game is cards, while I thought it was sexual, I didn't think it was prostitution, I thought it was involuntary.

Maybe I should start a thread for Shango in the "Shallow End."

[MumInOhio]

I was trying to put this to rest one way or the other as I still have my other ‘David’ to follow up on. Strange I started with ‘only David left the den alive’ and look where it led me. I can’t tell if Pita’s and jackb’s David are the same. I am absolutely no good at pics. So have put the link Nut found right in the middle.


David Wever/Lorenzo Wever?Guido Wever

 Jacobus Lorenzo ‘David’ Wever that died at age 69, jackb said he left for Holland, may have been the manager at the HI casino


Lorenzo/Guido Wever -  we already know all about him, or do we?


David Wever – from Pita page 46 of the other thread – leaning against what appears to be a white pickup.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/584378--Dave--Profile-html


David Wever – that jackb posted on page 69 and which Klaas posted the picture on page 70.

Lorenzo van Rijn/Gijn/Sijn…..need I say more!




Lorenzo Wever?
Rjames forums…9/9/2005
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:LoWHbBrK9kIJ:www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_48.html+%2B%22natalee+Holloway%22+%2Bbreakfast+%2Bbrunch+%2Bolder+man&hl=en
Posted by: Noplanstovisit | Aug 21, 2005 5:32:10 AM

"Tag team set up. Lorenzo Wever (casino employee, flew to Holland right after Natalee’s disappearance) befriends Natalie and makes sure he sits with her at breakfast so that observers will think something is going on between them (and maybe so, maybe not)."

"About all I'll say - 24 was the age I heard. And I am aware of a poker dealer who allegedly quit and left Aruba the day after he was questioned. Have no more info on that."
Posted by: Dan | Aug 21, 2005 3:14:08 AM



Snipped from a post on Jan 26th.

I did find over at Refugees that someone seems to think these below are the three people being arrested. They say that Guido Wever was arrested last Wed and is the subject of the Dutch news interview and the one that Aruba wants to come back to be charged,that his attorney will fight this. One person said this Wever is not Lorenzo, but I am not sure about that. One said that Wever is not his Dutch last name, but his Dutch name does not exist in Aruba so he is called Wever - I have no idea is this is accurate and did not see this posted but once.
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http://bfnbackup.16.forumer.com/a/hiram-vrolijk-friend-of-joran_post77.html


GrannyToad- 05-27-2006

Why does it matter who this boy is? He isn't even close to being one of the suspects. We never know if or which of Joran's pals were involved in what way with Natalee being disappeared, ladytiger. You have your personal interests, at BFN we want Natalee found or to learn how she was Disappeared. that doesn't mean that we have to discuss every distrant friend or every kid that was on the same school as a suspect. There are already way too much suspects to begin with. Discussing every person on the island in Joran's age group is not productive IMHO.
‘Ya spose? I knew about Guido a couple months before his name came up. Oh yeah, really last June except that Tito made a mistake and referred to him as Lorenzo. There is another Lorenzo, Wever, at that casino so I understand the mistake if Tito didn't know either well. So if in cases like Guido's and Koen's whom I'd also identified before they hit the blogs, it's good to know. Are there more to know, besides Freddy, Jaime, Steve Croes, the Kalpoe brothers ... ?’
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January 23, 2008, 05:42:17 AM -mine
Lala's...I found these posts from *******....on: January 02, 2008, 07:48:19 PM  Quote from: ******* on January 02, 2008, 07:08:12 PMQuote from: ******* on January 02, 2008, 05:40:27 PMLorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government We know Guido's dad is Robert Wever a politician and the chairman of the Aliansa / MSA. No idea if Guido is related to Booshi Wever or the other high ranking Wevers. But I have long been suspicious that PVDS was not the only father who influenced this case.
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January 23, 2008, 04:35:03 AM - mine
Seeing Guido is being discussed again, this is what I found in the last LCD before we went to the new format and had posted tn the Shango and Simian thread.....Bringing this discussion from August forward as Jossy is quoted as saying that it was not Guido who had the scratches.    dialogue from final LCD thread on August 11, 2007, 07:07:02 PMHow did Guido get into this picture, charged as suspected as being accomplice to among other things heavy battery, "Grievous Bodily Harm". What time did Guido leave work that late night? Anybody think that Guido was questioned in the first week of June 05 because of scratch/other witnesses, unrelated to Joran...initially?I've a question. Did Jossy say or write that the scratches were on GvC not Guido?He was detained last Wednesday. He was considered a witness in June, 2005. Since February of this year, he is now a suspect. Prosecutor in Aruba want him very quickly. Main evidence against him is witness made statements against him. He claims that he is innocent and never met Natalee last June.
Jossy says he will have to come back to Aruba and the case will go forward in court. Guido Wever is his name. He did not have scratches or bruises on him last June. He was interrogated last June. Good friend of Joran. Played Tennis with him and gambles with Joran. Jossy believes Guido is in bigger trouble than GVC ever was. GVC never knew Joran.Also, according to Jossy Mansur of Diario in Aruba Guido Weaver is not the individual that was arrested the other day with the scratches on his face. Guido Weaver is another detained individual. The identity of the individual who was arrested with the scratches has yet to be identified.
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January 14, 2008, 02:37:37 PM - mine
Do we know if Guido is Aruban or Dutch? I'm getting kinda stuck on someone else running off to the Netherlands...but that's because in the back of my mind I have one of the SG's mothers saying 'dutch brothers' from an influential family.
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January 11, 2008, 11:00:53 AM mine
From June 5th 2005….8.34AM …Arbeej

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=2244&page=6



quote:
"* One of the 3 original "persons of interest" is the son of a Judge on the island of Aruba..."

This was actually confirmed for us by an Aruban news reporter. He confirmed that one is the son of a judge, the other the son of a lawyer. It was not, however, clarified as to whether their Dads and the rest of the families live and work on Aruba. The three boys, though born in other countries, are legal residents of Aruba. I do not Know long they have lived there, but they are indeed legal residents.                   
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I will quit here as this path starts leading me to Sander and Koen.
  So I wonder who were the two Dutch brothers reportedly arrested early on?

Lorenzo/Joran

Koen/Sander

Or maybe Guido and David are brothers. (But definately not blond)

All Arubans are Dutch, but not all Dutch are Arubans!




Link that leads to Gottenbos….a couple of posts on pages 2 and 3

http://www.katablog.com/month_blogs.cfm?m=5&y=2006&pagenum=2

And this one takes me back to Sander

January 26, 2008, 09:45:29 PM - mine
Think I found my blue-eyed Dutchboy with the scratches and of course his phone was stolen...now let's see if the sitemeter goes crazy...LOL:
 Mon May 22, 2006 1:22 am   
 Post subject:  from hyscience 
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You're welcome Harry. It has been interesting to read around and I may have just gotten more confused than clarified. I'm going to bed now. You and me seem to be the only one's up late tonight and commenting.
 
There seem to be enough folks speculating about three people that my guess is there will be if it has not happened already. I think your original assessment that this Wever arrest is more than a suspect, perhaps a real charge, is likely accurate. The only reason I might guess that it may not be is the interview with Joe T >> I just didn't get the impression that he was convinced since he stressed they had known about him since the beginning.
 
One post somewhere said that Weaver worked the casino the night Natalee disappeared, my impression was for a few hours after her disappearance, and that others who worked with him thought he acted nervous (that wasn't their adjective, but it was similar), then he abruptly quit after her disappearance and moved to Holland. It is claimed by some he had scratches and bruises after here disappearance, but some were disputing this. He and Joran also were alleged to have played tennis the afternoon after Natalee disappeared.
 
I did find over at Refugees that someone seems to think these below are the three people being arrested. They say that Guido Wever was arrested last Wed and is the subject of the Dutch news interview and the one that Aruba wants to come back to be charged,that his attorney will fight this. One person said this Wever is not Lorenzo, but I am not sure about that. One said that Wever is not his Dutch last name, but his Dutch name does not exist in Aruba so he is called Wever - I have no idea is this is accurate and did not see this posted but once.

There is some speculation that the Columbian that some claim to have been arrested in Aruba may be the famous Jossy witness gardener. I'll just be tyou will have it all sorted out by Friday.
 
Here are the three:
 
1. Guido Wever who use to work at the Excelcior Casino as "dealer", who use to play tennis at the Aruba Raquet club, and who is the son of a political party's leader, Robert Wever, was detained in the Netherlands.
 
2. Sander G. is the kid in school in Aruba that left before his finals and flew to Holland last week and now is detained in the Netherlands. (Some speculated that he is Koen's younger brother, but don't know if this is accurate.)

Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos is a Colombian man who was detained in Aruba. (Some speculated that he also is Jossy's gardener witness.)

[MumInOhio]

Found them in the next thread...

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

These are the two Simian posts that I found when we were missing 11.

Didn't notice until this morning that Simian says 'again' in both posts....

So is this Paulus' 2nd detainment....where does that leave our #5?

[MumInOhio]

jackb...have a look at the link up towards the top of the long post and see if that is the same one.....I snagged your post from the other thread....thanks

quote jackb.....

David Wever, it has been said is Guido's big brother.  There seems to be an abundance of big brother sets here.  As for the accuracy of him being Guids's bog brother.  I do not know.  The picture where the truck is does not look like David W., unless it is an older picture.    Jack B

[MumInOhio]

Would really like to know if Lorenzo's name is van Gijn or Rijn...I believe what I saw when he was arrested was van Gijn...

Judge critical of aviation
25 Aug, 2003, 11:36pm 25 2003, 11:36 pm

WILLEMSTAD — In het kort geding van BonairExel tegen de minister van Verkeer en Vervoer toonde de rechter zich vanmorgen zeer kritisch naar de autoriteit. WILLEMSTAD - The interim relief of BonairExel against the Minister of Transport, Public Works and Transportation showed the court this morning is very critical to the authority. Namens de overheid wilde advocaat Bertie Braam op aangeven van de rechter het geschil niet onderling oplossen. On behalf of the government lawyer wanted Bertie Braam on entering the court the dispute is not resolved mutually. Vooruitlopend op het verliezen van het kort geding kondigde de raadsman aan een bodemprocedure te starten. Ahead of losing the interim measures announced counsel to the merits start.

De nieuwe maatschappij Dutch Eagle Express (BonairExel) kreeg van de minister geen toestemming voor de route Curaçao-Aruba vice versa. The new company Dutch Eagle Express (BonairExel) got no permission from the Minister for the route Curacao-Aruba vice versa. Na eerder ook al de economische vergunning via de rechter te hebben afgedwongen, stapte de Bonaireaanse maatschappij opnieuw naar de rechter. After previously even though the economic permit from the court to have enforced stepped Bonaireaanse society, return to the court. Vanmorgen verzocht het vliegbedrijf om een voorlopige voorziening om naar Aruba te mogen vliegen vanaf vliegveld Hato. This morning asked the airline for an interim injunction to Aruba to fly from Hato Airport. Vanmiddag na het ter perse gaan van deze editie volgde uitspraak in de zaak. This afternoon after going to press this issue followed ruling in the case.

Judge sorry the translated page didn't copy
Rechter Leo van Gijn wilde vooral van de bewindsman en het Departement van Luchtvaart horen waarom het eerste artikel van de verleende vergunning alle ruimte biedt aan de luchtvaartmaatschappij om vanuit bestemmingen in de Antillen naar andere bestemmingen binnen en buiten de Antillen te vliegen. Judge Leo van Gijn wanted especially the Minister in the Department of Aerospace know why the first article of the authorization granted to all space on the carrier to destinations in from the West Indies to other destinations within and outside the West Indies to fly. De aanwezige luchtvaartdirecteur Siegfried Fransisco stelde dat de ruimte in beginsel normaal was. The present luchtvaartdirecteur Siegfried Fransisco claimed that the area was normal, in principle. En dat het vervolgens aan de minister is om te bekijken voor welke vluchten hij wel en geen toestemming verleent. And then to the Minister to see what he does and no flights permission

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://baba.lusink.biz/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D66%26sid%3D7f8ab13a96017a257decc3c0b007b638&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvan%2Bgijn%2Baruba%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN


Guess I should have done a tinyurl......

[MumInOhio]

I knew I'd seen it...Jossy used Gijn...the other paper used Rijn...From what I've seen the Gijn family is influential and has a history in The netherlands...

#471 on: June 21, 2007, 11:39:26 AM » Quote 

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http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/21/


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Cas yena cu camara, yen di cacho brabo y rondona cu prikkel draad…
LORENZO VAN GIJN DETENI PA PLANTACION GRANDI
DI MARIHUANA NA SAVANETA
ORANJESTAD(AAN):Lorenzo van Gijn no ta un desconoci di polis. Den e bishitanan cu e Team Bijzondere Projecten a haci na diferente lugar, su cas no tabata un excepcion.

E ta biba den Yaraweg y na su cas e team special a pasa basta dolor di cabez pa drenta. E cas ta full rondona cu prikkeldraad, camara tur rond y algun monster di cacho den cura. Asina mes e agentenan a drenta y cu shotgun den man pa defende nan mes contra e cachonan brabo.

Despues di basta grita no a haya ningun hende ta reacciona y drentando den e cas a bin topa cu Lorenzo van Gijn morto na soño. El a wordo lanta mesora y a bay directamente cune unda e droga tabata na diferente parti bon sera den cura patras di cas.

Den un cooler na e cas a haya masha hopi marihuana tambe. A listra den diferente autonan costoso den e cura di cas.

Den discoteca priva tambe a haya marihuana mientras cu a confisca un ice jug yen di placa. Lorenzo van Gijn a bisa polis cu ta pa propio uso.

Otro mas cu ta kere den storia of ta kere cu tur hende ta pensa mescos cune. Riba e fotonan aki por mira mas di e accion na cas di Lorenzo van Gijn den Yara Weg.



Lorenzo - apparently - arrested.

Online Pap translation:

cas fill cu camara, complete of cacho brabo y rondona cu prikkel draad…
lorenzo van gijn deteni for plantacion big
of marihuana at savaneta

oranjestad(aan):lorenzo van gijn do not one desconoci of police. in the bishitanan cu the team bijzondere projecten owing to haci at various lugar, his cas not was one excepcion.

the live in yaraweg y at his cas the team special owing to happen enough dolor of cabez for enter. the cas is full rondona cu prikkeldraad, camara all rond y some monster of cacho in cura. so self the agentenan owing to enter y cu shotgun in hand for defende they self contra the cachonan brabo.

after of enough bark not owing to achieve none person is reacciona y drentando in the cas owing to come come across cu lorenzo van gijn dead at dream. past owing to wordo arise at once y owing to bay directamente cune where the drugs was at various part good close in cura behind cas.

in one cooler at the cas owing to achieve very much marihuana also. owing to listra in various autonan costoso in the cura of cas.

in discoteca priva also owing to achieve marihuana while cu owing to confisca one ice jug complete of coin. lorenzo van gijn owing to tell police cu is for own usage.

another more cu is believe in storia or is believe cu everybody is think same cune. on the fotonan here can see more of the accion at home of lorenzo van gijn in yara weg.
 
 

[CapsLockWizard]

Good Moring Monkeys

Monkeys....to not rattle the cage to much.....soldier will wakeup   sleeping soldier are more easy to hunt

[CapsLockWizard]

we all need to get to gether offline. how? I do not know

[MumInOhio]

Good Moring Monkeys

Monkeys....to not rattle the cage to much.....soldier will wakeup   sleeping soldier are more easy to hunt

Hi Caps...who is rattling the cage?......

[CapsLockWizard]

Wat about Monkey HQ

[CapsLockWizard]

How about Monkey HQ whew all info reside.

[MumInOhio]

Caps...I don't understand what you are trying to say...what is wrong with posting right here?

[MumInOhio]

Caps.....I still don't understand....

[CapsLockWizard]

new type of netwok to to discuss this....h.tmail.com can be used for private on invitation only access
trusted monkeys with good source of infos.

Klaasend you have my email on invitation only.Conference style

[Helen Back]

new type of netwok to to discuss this....h.tmail.com can be used for private on invitation only access
trusted monkeys with good source of infos.

Klaasend you have my email on invitation only.Conference style

Klass, my group uses Acrobat connect.  It's good and cheap, too, but Dugga can probably set up something for you.
 
Helen

[ala_gunslinger]

loesge may be right.......

I can't decipher code, but I do have this:

1.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:41 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:06 pm
they filmed her de-flowering.
who was the actor?
——————————————-
ODUBER

2.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:51 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:34 pm
The video was filmed live and
on location at the neighborhood
Holiday Inn.
““““““““““““““““
no,
it was the Wyndham

3.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 6:00 am
connect the dots to Bob Smith, manager of the Wyndham who also is head of the “black-clad” visability team. It was those black-clad “guards” who intercepted Natalee from Joran, NOT the two guards who were arrested. Joran delivered Natalee to a “House his father was known to be at”= Casablanca= “white house”.
The visability guards handed her over to Paulus and he, ultimately to Oduber.
The Lions prefer nice accomodations for their deflowerings. Presidential suite, anyone?
It’s an ongoing racket.

Buckeye and Colombo, I've never seen this.  However, this does back up some of my feelings about the story.  What do you know about these posts?

I remember it, of course.

[MumInOhio]

Caps...can't you give us a clue to what you have found....ask COLUMBO I am terrible at riddles....