SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Debra]

Follow the star...

Depends where you want to go....

Let me know

or the line of the shango

"Follow the Star"...........

Posner (THE elder)
North end of Aruba (north star)
White House Apts./Moko

"Follow the Music".........

Nightclubs (C&C)
DJ's/Reggae Music
Lorenzo's "disco"

[Lala'sMom]

LaLa,

Suppose JVdS is telling the truth about using the pay phone at the Marriott.

Why use a pay phone? -----  To call your drug dealer?

Who was JVdS drug dealer? ---- Lorenzo?

Joran had a cell phone, or didn't he ?
Fishy story to use the pay phone, unless he did not want the call on record ? Aruba should have records of calls made on their pay phones, I would think ?

I still think that Joran killed Nat at his home, and his Dad helped him dispose of her body.

Joran uses his cell phone to call the Kalpoes on his way home that night...yes he had a cell phone.

[MumInOhio]

LaLa,

Suppose JVdS is telling the truth about using the pay phone at the Marriott.

Why use a pay phone? -----  To call your drug dealer?

Who was JVdS drug dealer? ---- Lorenzo?

Joran had a cell phone, or didn't he ?
Fishy story to use the pay phone, unless he did not want the call on record ? Aruba should have records of calls made on their pay phones, I would think ?

I still think that Joran killed Nat at his home, and his Dad helped him dispose of her body.

Joran uses his cell phone to call the Kalpoes on his way home that night...yes he had a cell phone.

Hi Lala's...according to J's book all his buddies had two...one for each girlfriend, but he didn't...LOL...I say the other one was for the drug dealer or porn man...or both.

[Lala'sMom]

Who would be considered Aruba's mafia?  Who are the players? Anyone?

[MumInOhio]

Back to that December birthday...I believe in the PV from this person they stated that Nat was drunk...so you can see why I would like to rule young Val in or out....

Joran to Anita..'this wouldn't have happened if you had have been here'...

[Lala'sMom]

The reporter that died with her hand in her pocket from suicide was working on a story of some kind, I am sure.  I wonder what it was?  Who was she asking about on Aruba?  What did she have in her story? We need to find that out too.

[MumInOhio]

Who would be considered Aruba's mafia?  Who are the players? Anyone?

I bet the Customs/DEA down there could tell us....LOL

IMO....South American...Columbian Venezuelan, maybe from Suriname. I remember reading how the ordinary Aruban had not liked the changes since a lot from these places moved there.

I was reading a little this morning on work visas and they require a police statement showing a clean record before they will grant you one. Guess this means that Posner didn't need one.

Would that be under Rudy's jurisdiction?

[Lala'sMom]

Back to that December birthday...I believe in the PV from this person they stated that Nat was drunk...so you can see why I would like to rule young Val in or out....

Joran to Anita..'this wouldn't have happened if you had have been here'...

I am lost...where is this story about the December birthday?  Remind me again. TIA

[MumInOhio]

The reporter that died with her hand in her pocket from suicide was working on a story of some kind, I am sure.  I wonder what it was?  Who was she asking about on Aruba?  What did she have in her story? We need to find that out too.

******* just posted on her a couple of days ago, I think he said he had contact with her family...please don't quote me though!

I do remember the last big story was the 'Race Junkies'....ahhhh...are we heading back to Lorenzo!

Quite possible that she came across something on that story though! Remember her cameraman just a few days later, same thing!

Must have been really something to drive them both to suicide!

[MumInOhio]

Back to that December birthday...I believe in the PV from this person they stated that Nat was drunk...so you can see why I would like to rule young Val in or out....

Joran to Anita..'this wouldn't have happened if you had have been here'...

I am lost...where is this story about the December birthday?  Remind me again. TIA

LOL...Leslie found something from a PV back I think in December, there's someting on it a couple of pages back. Well I asked Nut about it as both of them where trying to track it down. Long story short, Nut posted over here about it and that's how the subject got here.

I believe the PV states that Nat was very drunk. Anyway the PV'er was born in Aruba and had a December birthday. It came out during the last J2K arrests and Leslie felt there was something significant about it.

Most of the PVs that I've seen don't have that info on it...and the only one we.ve seen with a December b'day is Val, but we thought he was born in the Netherlands.  Maybe not....may not even been him...

[MumInOhio]

Lala's this is from the Lorenzo thread....just brought the whole post over...

Maybe a whole lot of nothing, but found it interesting! Had mentioned them in the Shango and Simian thread a few days back and when Pita posted about Astrid I thought I’d do a little checking. Was the Soul Beach festival held at or near the racetrack? I seem to recall something about parking there.


This is from 2004, but notice the spelling of Arends/Arendz

April 30-May 2 GARAGE CENTRAAL EXTRAVAGANZA
The Aruba Drag Race Foundation (ADRF) celebrates 21 years of drag racing in Aruba with this spectacular international event. Contact Roland Arends at Tel. (297)-584-0322/Fax. (297)-587-3884 E-mail draginaruba@hotmail.com or visit the website www.draginaruba.com for additional information.


These are the about the two TV suicides Dec 2006 and Jan 2007…I knew I remember a racing connection. Note what their last documentary was about. Both are listed on page 16 of the Murder and Crime thread.

Posted on LCD Jan 8th by Florida:


Brigitte Katelaan worked for ATV and TeleAruba as a producer.
Camilo Romero worked for ATV as a cameraman and ?

Both found dead by hanging within weeks of each other.
(Brigitte's latest doumentaries: The International Racetrack
& legal/illegal prostitution in certain towns in Aruba.)

Television Stations:
ATV Aruba Broadcasting Co. N.V....3rd floor of Royal Plaza Mall
P.O. Box 5040, Oranjestad
Tel: (297) 583-8150
Fax:(297) 583-8570

Tele Aruba
P.O. Box 392, Oranjestad
Pos Chiquito 1-A
SPAANS LAGOEN n/a
Tel: (297) 585-7302
Fax: (297) 585-1683

(Would Aru-bay videos be a part of ATV or TeleAruba?)


This is where the discussion started about the two of them and pics:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=714.540
This is the pics and story on Brigittte :

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=672.20

Found that post about the house being the same one that Joran came out of...LOL...it was on this thread, first one or two pages. I posted it over on the S/S thread this morning!Still looking for Lorenzo's lawyer!
 
 
 

[Chata]

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Hi Lala's...according to J's book all his buddies had two...one for each girlfriend, but he didn't...LOL...I say the other one was for the drug dealer or porn man...or both.
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I remember something about Joran going by his girlfriend's house and picking up a cell phone.  She shared this in an interview maybe or from a post on RWV or maybe here, at the beginning.  Can't remember if it was the same night that Natalee disappeared.  Maybe someone can find it.  If that is so, maybe he did have two cell phones at one time.

[hotping]

Back to that December birthday...I believe in the PV from this person they stated that Nat was drunk...so you can see why I would like to rule young Val in or out....

Joran to Anita..'this wouldn't have happened if you had have been here'...

I am lost...where is this story about the December birthday?  Remind me again. TIA

LOL...Leslie found something from a PV back I think in December, there's someting on it a couple of pages back. Well I asked Nut about it as both of them where trying to track it down. Long story short, Nut posted over here about it and that's how the subject got here.

I believe the PV states that Nat was very drunk. Anyway the PV'er was born in Aruba and had a December birthday. It came out during the last J2K arrests and Leslie felt there was something significant about it.

Most of the PVs that I've seen don't have that info on it...and the only one we.ve seen with a December b'day is Val, but we thought he was born in the Netherlands.  Maybe not....may not even been him...

Maybe one of the Dutch posters could find out when and where Val was born..I know here in the states up until a few years ago it was easy to find this info....Maybe even someone could ask Jossy to find out...just a thought..    

[MumInOhio]

Hi Lala's...according to J's book all his buddies had two...one for each girlfriend, but he didn't...LOL...I say the other one was for the drug dealer or porn man...or both.
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I remember something about Joran going by his girlfriend's house and picking up a cell phone.  She shared this in an interview maybe or from a post on RWV or maybe here, at the beginning.  Can't remember if it was the same night that Natalee disappeared.  Maybe someone can find it.  If that is so, maybe he did have two cell phones at one time.
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Hi Chata...Thanks...Was that Melody...TIA

[MumInOhio]

Thanks hotping...great idea...maybe I'll see if any of the Dutch posters are on in the morning....

[MumInOhio]

LOL Lala's...now it's posted on both threads!!!

Notice how everything is intertwined? I look for Arends/Arendz, the young Max's, and come to 2 suicides/race junkies and did I see old 'Bibi's name in that post...Second in charge of the Aruba Lions 2005-2006...sorry links gone...Poof!!!

[Lala'sMom]

I know this wildly unpopular, but it's food for thought.  Joran never tells the whole truth about anything. So I still can't believe he walked to the Marriott to call someone just after a girl died in his arms. Joran clearly knew what had happened before she died and to me walking into the Marriott is not what I would do if I were not planning on getting her any help. 

Joran uses his cell phone at 2;26 AM near the McDonald's so there is little reason for him to use a pay phone.  I am thinking he did indeed walk through that area to find a buddy of his...either Freddy or Koen.  Remember Sander had the boat out but Joran declined to go and opted to play poker instead.  If Freddy was working that night, he could have been close.  I may have that wrong as to if Freddy was there working but there is a reason he tells the pay phone story.  I am thinking of the possible people he could round up in that one place that he knew.

[MumInOhio]

I know this wildly unpopular, but it's food for thought.  Joran never tells the whole truth about anything. So I still can't believe he walked to the Marriott to call someone just after a girl died in his arms. Joran clearly knew what had happened before she died and to me walking into the Marriott is not what I would do if I were not planning on getting her any help. 

Joran uses his cell phone at 2;26 AM near the McDonald's so there is little reason for him to use a pay phone.  I am thinking he did indeed walk through that area to find a buddy of his...either Freddy or Koen.  Remember Sander had the boat out but Joran declined to go and opted to play poker instead.  If Freddy was working that night, he could have been close.  I may have that wrong as to if Freddy was there working but there is a reason he tells the pay phone story.  I am thinking of the possible people he could round up in that one place that he knew.

No way to prove if Freddy was working, but he's been questioned too many times and he is the #1 Pimp.

Did you see the post, I think from Buckeye about Guido working at the Marriott? Some one called the Marriott and asked, but I don't think they got a call back. Will ask Buckeye. After that it was only said that he worked at the HI.

Tyler posted that there was a big bust right after Natalee disappeared and then there was the Richard Lacle thing with the Feds in Florida(money laundering). Will go back tomorrow and see what I come up with.

[MumInOhio]

Follow the star...

Depends where you want to go....

Let me know

or the line of the shango

"Follow the Star"...........

Posner (THE elder)
North end of Aruba (north star)
White House Apts./Moko

"Follow the Music".........

Nightclubs (C&C)
DJ's/Reggae Music
Lorenzo's "disco"

Hi Debra....I'm leaning towards apartments, but have a window open on Lorenzo...Posner is interesting.

Follow the music....DJs...I know of three....not sure on this

[hotping]

Thanks hotping...great idea...maybe I'll see if any of the Dutch posters are on in the morning....

There is one on now who I think might could help Ciskebab I think is the name....seems very helpful and knowledable ...