SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Sorry Chata...having a hard time following his lies...in 3 paragraphs no less..

After my father came and picked me up at Mc Donalds we drove home. I took a shower. After that I got dressed again, and according to me at approximately 24.00 hours, Deepak and Satish came and picked me up at home. Before they came and picked me up, I had called Deepak to ask where he was, and he told me that he was on his way. At approximately 00.15 hours the three of us left for Carlos & Charlies. (with this Monday May 30th is meant; comment Jacobs). I have to say that I also called Flor and asked if she wanted to come to Carlos & Charlies. She answered that she wasn't allowed to go from her dad. Flor is 16 years old.

[MumInOhio]

Not sure exactly what he saying...LOL, but I think it was Jody Bearman at the house. I think he is saying what Paulus said, but haven't come across the one where he mentions a Consul agent yet! I think he said Smit? I t may have been from his book and I'm pretty sure I posted about that on Dec.5th...LOL

Joran's 6/14 PV.....
Then approximately 5 cars approached. There were two police officers among them. There were a couple of people that said that they were FBI. Natalee's mother was also there. Then Deepak and myself were attacked with questions. At a certain point Deepak was cursed out by one of the men. Then my father said that enough is enough, that the police officers were the ones with authority here. At my house I had talked to a man, I don't know if he was the father. I had told him that from Carlos & Charlies we had dropped her off at the Hotel. I cannot remember telling him that I fingered Natalee. After that we had to go with the police to the police station in Noord. Deepak, my father and myself went to the police station. At the police station in Noord we did not say what had happened to the girl. We did say that we dropped off Natalee at the Holiday Inn. After that we had to go to the Holiday Inn. There were were attacked again by a woman who said she was with the FBI. I also briefly talked to agent WILLIAMS of the FBI. I had told him we had dropped off the girl at the Holiday Inn. It is possible that I told him that I had kissed or had fingered Natalee. For the rest I had told him nothing.

[MumInOhio]

Just had athought about following the star......Star of David....

Came to mind with all what is on the Judicial Inc site and Debra's mention of the North Star and I just can't get the 'only David left the den alive' out of my mind!

I need to go back a few pages and look at the other stars....

[COLOMBO]

LaLa,

Suppose JVdS is telling the truth about using the pay phone at the Marriott.

Why use a pay phone? -----  To call your drug dealer?

Who was JVdS drug dealer? ---- Lorenzo?

Joran had a cell phone, or didn't he ?
Fishy story to use the pay phone, unless he did not want the call on record ? Aruba should have records of calls made on their pay phones, I would think ?

I still think that Joran killed Nat at his home, and his Dad helped him dispose of her body.

Hi LEP:

What if somebody else had the payphone?

"Who heeded his call? Who switched places?"

[COLOMBO]

sorry-meant cellphone in prev post.......

"If you were asleep who answered your phone?"  (JVDS' cellphone?)

[COLOMBO]

Cordes case (St Maarten) video update-sounds familiar:
http://www.zebrabot.com/

[MumInOhio]

Hi COLUMBO...Paulus had Anita's phone...and Sander lost his phone...just why did Joran make a point of saying Paulus was using Anita's phone?

BBL later to watch the vid...I'm still working on the connection...not the sharpest knife in the drawer...LOL

[Lala'sMom]

Hi COLUMBO...Paulus had Anita's phone...and Sander lost his phone...just why did Joran make a point of saying Paulus was using Anita's phone?

BBL later to watch the vid...I'm still working on the connection...not the sharpest knife in the drawer...LOL

Of course, ALE never had the intelligence to check all the Sloots and the rest of the cast of characters cell records.

[MumInOhio]

Hi COLUMBO...Paulus had Anita's phone...and Sander lost his phone...just why did Joran make a point of saying Paulus was using Anita's phone?

BBL later to watch the vid...I'm still working on the connection...not the sharpest knife in the drawer...LOL

Of course, ALE never had the intelligence to check all the Sloots and the rest of the cast of characters cell records.

Page 16 or 17 of the other thread...from the front page...rumor of a reported find of a cell phone right after Nat disappeared....

[Lala'sMom]

As I said before...Joran didn't use that pay phone.  He had one in his pocket that he used.  If not his it was either Sander's phone  (which I doubt) or a phone he carries with him to call his dealer or his go-to guy that helps with the girls after it's all over.  The reason he mentioned the Marriott is due to either someone seeing him there or he was looking for a buddy of his.  MOO

[Lala'sMom]

OOPS!  Forgot to add if the story of Paulus' cell phone being found behind the fisherman's huts area is true...then Paulus lost it when he was back there with Joran.  Either picking him up or when they were looking for a fish trap.  Maybe Joran had daddy's cell phone in his pocket too. (which I doubt) Why is Sander's missing phone so important? Because it was lost too.  So we have two cell phones lost...Sander's and Paulus'. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. MOO

[MumInOhio]

OOPS!  Forgot to add if the story of Paulus' cell phone being found behind the fisherman's huts area is true...then Paulus lost it when he was back there with Joran.  Either picking him up or when they were looking for a fish trap.  Maybe Joran had daddy's cell phone in his pocket too. (which I doubt) Why is Sander's missing phone so important? Because it was lost too.  So we have two cell phones lost...Sander's and Paulus'. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. MOO

I took it that way at first too Lala's, but the guy said he dialed the last number and Paulus answered. that would mean it wasn't poppa's phone. My thought as to why he had Anita's is that he didn't want his checked.

Very possible there was a cell found because of all the questions about cells in the PVs...I'm remembering Chata's post about Joran's phone being at Flor's.

Remember a few weeks back,IIRC it was Kermit who put up pics of the bank and I think what was Charles Croes place right next door. Maybe Paulus went to see Charles on the Monday to make a phone and it's records disappear.

By there way...there is a pay phone at the Racquet Club...credible witness...testified before a judge.

Something up with these phones though for sure...

[MumInOhio]

COLUMBO.....Security guards in black, insurance policy, maybe she drowned, road some of which is not paved, taken to another part of the island, Wyndham/Westin, small island and everyone should know...there's a lot of connections here....it all sounds familiar...so what happened to her...I read Leta was seen in the casino and then that was apparently retracted....not sure which path...

[Lala'sMom]

OOPS!  Forgot to add if the story of Paulus' cell phone being found behind the fisherman's huts area is true...then Paulus lost it when he was back there with Joran.  Either picking him up or when they were looking for a fish trap.  Maybe Joran had daddy's cell phone in his pocket too. (which I doubt) Why is Sander's missing phone so important? Because it was lost too.  So we have two cell phones lost...Sander's and Paulus'. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. MOO

I took it that way at first too Lala's, but the guy said he dialed the last number and Paulus answered. that would mean it wasn't poppa's phone. My thought as to why he had Anita's is that he didn't want his checked.

Very possible there was a cell found because of all the questions about cells in the PVs...I'm remembering Chata's post about Joran's phone being at Flor's.

Remember a few weeks back,IIRC it was Kermit who put up pics of the bank and I think what was Charles Croes place right next door. Maybe Paulus went to see Charles on the Monday to make a phone and it's records disappear.

By there way...there is a pay phone at the Racquet Club...credible witness...testified before a judge.

Something up with these phones though for sure...

Paulus might answer if Joran was the last person to dial it and say perhaps he told Val to log in and check something on the computer or was calling daddy for help with Paulus own phone. There are...were..cell records on that phone...unless it's the throw away type nefarious people use to commit crimes.  Just thinking here.  If the phone's last call was to Paulus and it is a legit story...that is a BIG clue.  Paulus would only call his own home with his own phone for just a handful of reasons.  Joran on the other hand might call for the same reasons.

[Lala'sMom]

COLUMBO.....Security guards in black, insurance policy, maybe she drowned, road some of which is not paved, taken to another part of the island, Wyndham/Westin, small island and everyone should know...there's a lot of connections here....it all sounds familiar...so what happened to her...I read Leta was seen in the casino and then that was apparently retracted....not sure which path...

You lost me here...who is Leta? 

[MumInOhio]

COLUMBO.....Security guards in black, insurance policy, maybe she drowned, road some of which is not paved, taken to another part of the island, Wyndham/Westin, small island and everyone should know...there's a lot of connections here....it all sounds familiar...so what happened to her...I read Leta was seen in the casino and then that was apparently retracted....not sure which path...

You lost me here...who is Leta? 

The woman missing from St Maarten...didn't you follow COLUMBO'S clue? I think he's trying to tell us the same thing has happened again, but I'm not sure what happened.
Was she kidnappend, sent off the island? I know I read that she made it to the casino, but I think that was retracted and haven't followed it closely the last week or so? Another gone without a trace...Leta, Natalee and Amy...makes you wonder...

[Lala'sMom]

DOH!!  I knew that.

[COLOMBO]

COLUMBO.....Security guards in black, insurance policy, maybe she drowned, road some of which is not paved, taken to another part of the island, Wyndham/Westin, small island and everyone should know...there's a lot of connections here....it all sounds familiar...so what happened to her...I read Leta was seen in the casino and then that was apparently retracted....not sure which path...

while of gold bricks
the road is not paved

Westin Aruba was Wyndham
"The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys"

DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played (by PVDS)

DirtyHand is the key and may leave soon to avoid attention from the cowboys and the fort

[COLOMBO]

link was moved:

http://www.zebrabot.com/zbvideo/?cat=1

[Lala'sMom]

Mum
Do you remember the conversation about Ruffner Page from the NAH thread a few weeks ago? HI daughter is Virginia and there was speculation that she would have been the most likley target if there was a planned kidnapping? Could you use your magical powers and find out about this again for me?  TIA