SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

One more thing...you think it might be Freddy that let that info out...Simian continues with this...could it have been Steve instead?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:14 pm
The Kalpoes will remain detained, because they agreed to go along with the Holiday Inn story.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:17 pm P 1178
Steve Croes is singing.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 10:35 am P 1181
Anybody wants a blessing from Saint Alibi?

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...just a thought about how Simian knew about the phone call in the wee hours....is it possible Freddy was talking?

Joran said they roughed him up a bit, Freddy that is, he may have been pressured...nah....Freddy...tell the truth.

Just wanted you to know I'm still thinking on that phone call...someone told!

I think the phone call info was the result of what was on the cell records that ALE had.  There was a 2:26 AM call placed near the Mickey D's that night.  It's in the records and it was from Joran's cell phone...the one he didn't use but walked to the Marriott to use theirs. 

ALE would have had the records....or some of them.
What time was the 8 minute one then, do you know?

I wonder how they picked up that a phone was unaccounted for...re all the questions in the PV's? To me they were looking for a phone. They should have checked Sander's as he told them it was stolen...LOL

I wonder if they checked Val's and Anita's?

[COLOMBO]

"Mickey" D's?

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...just a thought about how Simian knew about the phone call in the wee hours....is it possible Freddy was talking?

Joran said they roughed him up a bit, Freddy that is, he may have been pressured...nah....Freddy...tell the truth.

Just wanted you to know I'm still thinking on that phone call...someone told!

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.


Was it in Joran's book that Freddy gets roughed up?  I am lost on that one. TIA

I'll find it in the morning.

Did find this one interesting as I've heard it somewhere before...wasn't natalee seen having lunch with a guy like this...

More book bs

Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi. Joran thinks he is a nice guy

[MumInOhio]

"Mickey" D's?

Mickey ' 's?

Not Freddy Lala's

[Lala'sMom]

"Mickey" D's?

McDonald's.  Sorry, it's our American slang for that restaurant chain.  LOL

[klaasend]

Daury Rodriquez is Daury #1 with the alibi
Daury Francisco is Daury #2 (appears to be a gang member)

The picture you posted is of Daury Rodriguez not Daury Francisco, IMO.

No, it's not.  Also, I believe that Peter DeVries and most anyone else investigating the case believe Daury was a name Joran just threw out there, that the real person is Paulus. 

[Lala'sMom]

Are you asking if that call was placed near Freddy's place?  I don't think so..the 2:26 AM call was placed near the McDonald's I believe. Freddy lived near Joran.  I made that assumption (which could be wrong) by looking at this.  Look under photos and maps and click on Joran walks home (A) or (B).
 
http://www.hollowaycase.com/

[JE]

Daury Rodriquez is Daury #1 with the alibi
Daury Francisco is Daury #2 (appears to be a gang member)

The picture you posted is of Daury Rodriguez not Daury Francisco, IMO.

No, it's not.  Also, I believe that Peter DeVries and most anyone else investigating the case believe Daury was a name Joran just threw out there, that the real person is Paulus. 

The first thing patrick asks after he mentions the name is: A dutch guy?
Not a logical question with a name like rodriguez or francisco

[COLOMBO]

"Mickey" D's?

McDonald's.  Sorry, it's our American slang for that restaurant chain.  LOL

and the Simian????? the fetid mongrel????? the Frenchman???

[CapsLockWizard]

LALA Looking at the Morse code, I came to remeber one other way

LALA I have an other theory and I want you to look at all these names using the International morse code technique.

I am wonder what the meaning was, but I think we are wrong in the way we decode it.

First we decode the letter and then decode the letters again using the Morse Code but with names.

The names can be English, American, Italian, German, International

Now removing the Duplicate letters and see what we left with for names.

E(Edward) L(Lucy) P(eter) A(Andrew) D(David) R(Robert) E(Edward) 
S(Sugar) O(Oliver) O(oliver) S(Sugar) A(andrew) N(Nelli) E(Edward) w(william)
T(Tommy) R(Robert) U(Uncle) T(Tommy) H(harry)
W(william) I(Isaac) L(Lucy) L(Lucy)
B(Benjamin) E(Edwad)
U(uncle) N(Nelli) V(victor) E(Edward) L(Lucy) I(Isaac) E(Edward) D(David)
fullstop


http://www.sckans.edu/~sireland/radio/code.html

CAPSLOCK

[COLOMBO]

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal.  So who heeded his call? Who switched places?

[Lala'sMom]

"Mickey" D's?

McDonald's.  Sorry, it's our American slang for that restaurant chain.  LOL

and the Simian????? the fetid mongrel????? the Frenchman???

OK. I am lost but Simian did not use the word McDonald's...I did. Maybe that is what is confusing me.

[bleachedblack]

This one is an ISA student was questioned three times. And we have a Luis,supposed last name Betancourt.  LOL..either Columbian or Venezuelan that hangs around the beach and C&Cs with Joshua. Can't remember which is Columbian and which is Venezuelan right now.

Luis Guillermo Rodriguez

Luis is from Columbia as I recall. The reason this stands out is because of Ingrid Betancourt. Not saying there is any connection between the two, it is just why I recall the country of origin.

http://newschomp.blogspot.com/2007/12/ingrid-betancourt-hostage-of-farcs-in.html

[JE]

LALA Looking at the Morse code, I came to remeber one other way

LALA I have an other theory and I want you to look at all these names using the International morse code technique.

I am wonder what the meaning was, but I think we are wrong in the way we decode it.

First we decode the letter and then decode the letters again using the Morse Code but with names.

The names can be English, American, Italian, German, International

Now removing the Duplicate letters and see what we left with for names.

E(Edward) L(Lucy) P(eter) A(Andrew) D(David) R(Robert) E(Edward) 
S(Sugar) O(Oliver) O(oliver) S(Sugar) A(andrew) N(Nelli) E(Edward) w(william)
T(Tommy) R(Robert) U(Uncle) T(Tommy) H(harry)
W(william) I(Isaac) L(Lucy) L(Lucy)
B(Benjamin) E(Edwad)
U(uncle) N(Nelli) V(victor) E(Edward) L(Lucy) I(Isaac) E(Edward) D(David)
fullstop


http://www.sckans.edu/~sireland/radio/code.html

CAPSLOCK

Caps in the merian post, the "Lucy Isaac" "unve L I ed" in the last line is a .-... This is not a morse letter. I thought it was L at first
But L is .-.. maybe a typo on his part?

[Altruist]

This is probably nothing that can be of any help but it came to me in the last week or so:

Andre Santos, in his PV, he mentions his car being green & like a SUV type is inferred IIRC.

DK letter to Betty, alibi/BS letter references on their RIDE seeing a green SUV pulled over, think it was prior to the lighthouse.

Andre Santos refers to driving a vehicle but it wasn't his own.

Andre Santos is referenced to driving 5/30 his brother & himself to school in his father's truck.

Why wasn't Andre Santos driving around in his own vehicle?  Maybe nothing, just wanted to mention in case someone has researched & come to any conclusions of same.

[Kermit]

I will try to help, Mum, but I don't understand.
 You want the picture posted?

Actually I would just like to know who the 2 guys are between Freddy and Joran  in the pic at that link....if you know.  TIA

I believe the one next to Joran is Sander. The other one, I'm not sure...

Is that a Santos in front?  Maybe not.

Koen, Joran, Sander, I think it's Raymbert, Freddy, Jamie
Darwin Duberto, and  Val

[Kermit]

Here is an older Sander and Raymbert (same earrings in both ears)

[Kermit]

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal.  So who heeded his call? Who switched places?

Freddy.

[bleachedblack]

One more thing...you think it might be Freddy that let that info out...Simian continues with this...could it have been Steve instead?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:14 pm
The Kalpoes will remain detained, because they agreed to go along with the Holiday Inn story.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:17 pm P 1178
Steve Croes is singing.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 10:35 am P 1181
Anybody wants a blessing from Saint Alibi?

What day was it Paulus was detained? was it after Steve Croes did his singing?