SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[JE]

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My opinion on this whole discussion: There are elements of brazialian beliefs Shango Oxum etc there are elements of Dante the inferno part. Bifrons and many other legend/folklore ingredients. This lays out a grid of many possibilities and leaves it to the imagination of the reader to fill in the blanks. And blanks there are many.I just wonder if there are people that know things relevant to this case why do they not state this knowledge in plain and simple words. This is not about how litterate anyone is or about how much they know of legends and folklore. This is about truth.
Maybe i am too thick to understand all that is being discussed here but i believe that if there are people like Shango, Simian or whatever their names are that know something and that they should come forward and say what they know.

THIS IS NOT A GAME.

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[CapsLockWizard]

Yoo hoo!  Caps. Where did you go?  Am I even close? 

LALA: MBOX

[bleachedblack]

Rant mode on

My opinion on this whole discussion: There are elements of brazialian beliefs Shango Oxum etc there are elements of Dante the inferno part. Bifrons and many other legend/folklore ingredients. This lays out a grid of many possibilities and leaves it to the imagination of the reader to fill in the blanks. And blanks there are many.I just wonder if there are people that know things relevant to this case why do they not state this knowledge in plain and simple words. This is not about how litterate anyone is or about how much they know of legends and folklore. This is about truth.
Maybe i am too thick to understand all that is being discussed here but i believe that if there are people like Shango, Simian or whatever their names are that know something and that they should come forward and say what they know.

THIS IS NOT A GAME.

rant mode off

I agree JE no need to rant in my direction. I have been around for awhile......(>5000 posts check it out) not saying I know all. Just hate to see anyone new shot down on their first post. I also agree that Shango and Simian tried to convey, each in their own way information which we(collectively) have tried to understand. Some relatively new posters have arrived with an understanding of these posts, yet from what I read their posts are as cryptic or more so than what Shango and Simian
wrote almost 3 years ago. Why?

[martini]

I ran my search engines on a boat named "King Arawak" and what do I find but a boat that sails all over the world, the skippers name is Martini. That makes me a scared monkey for sure.
http://www.pesaro.com/lega/arrivo06.htm

[Finbar]

JE: I placed "she" in bold type because everyone(here and elsewhere kept repeating "he").

Even Simian referred to itself as "he".

"...have even taken girls there myself." Area where people park on dates. Could mean that the person just drove there with girlfriends(maybe to take photos to put on a blog). Does not mean the person is a male.

"...all this playing with emotions...." A male would never say this.

Simian knew someone in ALE that fed "it" information. AG has a cousin that is ALE.

The list goes on and on....


Bleach: Right back at cha. I am also concerned for the welfare of all penguins. I see some other names that I recognize from somewhere else.

Klaas: So, one person with two IP's and two email addys has to be two people?

Besides, from what I was told by those that explicitly understand Internet Protocol, that using it as a means to trace someone is useless for several reasons that you should already know.

I do agree that this avenue needs no further exploration.

We should focus on the boycott, corruption and coverup.

All My Best,
Fin

[klaasend]

Finbar & Bleachedblack -

Do you seriously think I only look at IP's and email addys?  I've read everything that has been posted about AG and Simian and others.  I have done my own research.

Like I said, I'm not telling you what to believe I've simply saying that I will stake my life on it that AG is not Simian.

I believe arguing the point is very unproductive at this stage of the game.

[MsVada]

JE: I placed "she" in bold type because everyone(here and elsewhere kept repeating "he").

Even Simian referred to itself as "he".

"...have even taken girls there myself." Area where people park on dates. Could mean that the person just drove there with girlfriends(maybe to take photos to put on a blog). Does not mean the person is a male.

"...all this playing with emotions...." A male would never say this.

Simian knew someone in ALE that fed "it" information. AG has a cousin that is ALE.

The list goes on and on....


Bleach: Right back at cha. I am also concerned for the welfare of all penguins. I see some other names that I recognize from somewhere else.

Klaas: So, one person with two IP's and two email addys has to be two people?

Besides, from what I was told by those that explicitly understand Internet Protocol, that using it as a means to trace someone is useless for several reasons that you should already know.

I do agree that this avenue needs no further exploration.

We should focus on the boycott, corruption and coverup.

All My Best,
Fin

Finbar;

What a pleasant surprise to see you are still around.

[Lala'sMom]

I ran my search engines on a boat named "King Arawak" and what do I find but a boat that sails all over the world, the skippers name is Martini. That makes me a scared monkey for sure.
http://www.pesaro.com/lega/arrivo06.htm

Maybe you have a doppleganger too. LOL

[Finbar]

Finbar;

What a pleasant surprise to see you are still around.

Ms,

I prefer your old avatar. Not all birdies fly. lol.

Whaddya think about PVSD's witness statement that he asked the night manager which cameras were working? He was told only the one behind the check in desk. I think this is the alibi/lie that J2K used later on. They got that lie form PVDS. Not sure how that lie fell apart(J2K changed stories, 2 security guards, etc).

All My Best,
Fin

[COLOMBO]

Who provided escort after the shivas left....I thought I asked that this morning....

Are you talking about Odubar...Arawak King!


LOL...lost cause!


Caps...can you share anything with us...please....

escort not NH's......"magic transport" belonged to someone else

We have no way of knowing if the "magic transport" post by Shango was a legit post from the one and only Shango.  It was posted in another blog and without Ian's help we can not make that determination.  So it has to be viewed with skepticism...unless the real Shango would like to comment on it....on the FP...please.

Good Morning....so that's where you have been....hiding out on the FP waiting on Shango!

COLUMBO...You have been very patient with me, but I am having a terrible time remembering the pieces to the puzzle.

Example....the other day you mentioned Caps deciphering a word meant which money. IIRC that was notes, but for a day and a half I could not remember. And there are quite a few you have posted, but I just can't remember. Must be an age thing!

Would you be so kind as to post a small glossary so that I may follow you a little easier, without going back through pages of posts to find what one word in the riddle is. From now on I will make a note so as not to bother you again.  TIA

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing
 
(what song??)
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl (???)
the arawaks new the girl (???)
and the babylonians still know the girl  (???)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money?

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:37 pm
How can so many gamblers be wrong about the girl (lost bet?)? This is unbelievable.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:41 pm
One straight path (to the maze)
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks (ca$ino)
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:46 pm
Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path (to the maze)
But not of gold (you won't win)
is entered

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
Windows looking onto (from above?) Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!

The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand
they lost to the lions

[MsVada]

Fin

I  liked that avatar too, but can't use it here

I agree about PVDS and the cameras, its his lie,he is up to his butt in this.

[Chata]

Rant mode on

My opinion on this whole discussion:....................................................................

THIS IS NOT A GAME.

rant mode off

I agree JE no need to rant in my direction. I have been around for awhile......(>5000 posts check it out) not saying I know all. Just hate to see anyone new shot down on their first post. I also agree that Shango and Simian tried to convey, each in their own way information which we(collectively) have tried to understand. Some relatively new posters have arrived with an understanding of these posts, yet from what I read their posts are as cryptic or more so than what Shango and Simian
wrote almost 3 years ago. Why?

Someone was probably getting too close to the truth, or maybe hit on it.  So ..... divert attention.  MO.

[JE]

Rant mode on

My opinion on this whole discussion: There are elements of brazialian beliefs Shango Oxum etc there are elements of Dante the inferno part. Bifrons and many other legend/folklore ingredients. This lays out a grid of many possibilities and leaves it to the imagination of the reader to fill in the blanks. And blanks there are many.I just wonder if there are people that know things relevant to this case why do they not state this knowledge in plain and simple words. This is not about how litterate anyone is or about how much they know of legends and folklore. This is about truth.
Maybe i am too thick to understand all that is being discussed here but i believe that if there are people like Shango, Simian or whatever their names are that know something and that they should come forward and say what they know.

THIS IS NOT A GAME.

rant mode off

I agree JE no need to rant in my direction. I have been around for awhile......(>5000 posts check it out) not saying I know all. Just hate to see anyone new shot down on their first post. I also agree that Shango and Simian tried to convey, each in their own way information which we(collectively) have tried to understand. Some relatively new posters have arrived with an understanding of these posts, yet from what I read their posts are as cryptic or more so than what Shango and Simian
wrote almost 3 years ago. Why?

Bleached it was not a rant directed at anyone in particular i am sorry if it came across that way.
Finbar thanks for your explanation

[MumInOhio]

FREDDY – Is he the 5th. Suspect?

COLUMBO…please take another look at Freddy! Remember Marianne Croes said he was detained  since 6/9/2005 and Jossy said he was detained early on and the media was not informed. He was TOLD it was because he provided a false alibi for Joran. (Nadira said big people lie)

Freddy questioned 6/17/2005 and next on 6/28/2005
Karen 6/23/2005:Carmen 6/28/2005
Karen is interviewed at 1.55PM on 6/23/2005…
Joran refused to give a statement in the morningof 6/24 until his Dad is released.
Joran then comes back in the evening and the talk is all about Karen.(There are two statements at the link below)
Can anyone tell me if the picture of a grey car at the back of Freddy’s house is a Toyota.(see Annie Todd witness below)  Aruban Who’s Who…houses show a grey car
Deepak’s is a Honda.
Maybe Freddy answered the phone…..
For some reason after Lorenzo is  questioned on 6/28/2005, Freddy doesn’t appear as a suspect again until August 2005

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran624.htm

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/pvds623.htm


To your question whether I picked up Joran on the 30th of May 2005, in the early morning hours, I can state the following. I have previously stated that I had picked up Joran on Sunday May 29th at approximately 23.00 hours near Mc Donalds. Subsequently I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran leaving or hear him return home. 05.45 hours is the normal time for the alarm to go off and I wake up. The children I wake up at approximately 06.00 hours. I awakened Valentijn, Sebastian and Joran.

Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
If you were asleep who answered your phone?
Posted Jun 23, 3:05 PM

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?
Posted Jun 23, 3:09 PM


Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Anybody wants a blessing from Saint Alibi?
Posted Jun 24, 10:35 AM

Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The 5th suspect. Does anyone remember what I said?
Posted Jun 24, 10:43 AM

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
Posted Jun 24, 10:45 AM



Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Carmen Aurora Jacopucci
Date: 28 June 2005 / 15:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement by a fried of Van der Sloot and Araambatzis

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement

Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement

Name: Annie Vicenta Todd
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness pointing out an area of interest
 
Name: Annie Vicenta Todd
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness statement about a gray Toyota

Per Joran’s book

Page 126, Deepak's June 14 (?) statement.
On Friday June 3 I went to work again from 9 am till 4 pm.

Snipped…
We stayed there till around 10 pm. When Satish and me went to the car
Joran and Freddy walked with us. We stayed and talked briefly. In this
conversation we had spoken again about the sport shoes of Joran, how we would arrange that. Freddy had already proposed to buy Joran new ones.
He had asked Joran if he had arranged that. Joran then said: Imagine
someone has murdered and buried her, then they will never find her and they will always be after us. After that we went home.

The PV continues:

Page 160

You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first
story on May 30th 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this could be true. You are informing me that
Freddy is stating that I told him Natalee went unconscious several times on the way to the beach of the Marriott Hotel. That she at a certain moment did not regain consciousness and that we have left her on the beach. I don't know what to answer to this, because according to me, I did not tell the story to Freddy this way.

That Freddy has stated that we did not know what to do when she did not
recover and that we then left her on the beach and that I left my sport
shoes behind, that is not correct. This did not happen this way. I have
left my sport shoes at the Marriott beach. I think Freddy did not correctly
understand what I told him.

[cubbeegirl]

Rant mode on

My opinion on this whole discussion: There are elements of brazialian beliefs Shango Oxum etc there are elements of Dante the inferno part. Bifrons and many other legend/folklore ingredients. This lays out a grid of many possibilities and leaves it to the imagination of the reader to fill in the blanks. And blanks there are many.I just wonder if there are people that know things relevant to this case why do they not state this knowledge in plain and simple words. This is not about how litterate anyone is or about how much they know of legends and folklore. This is about truth.
Maybe i am too thick to understand all that is being discussed here but i believe that if there are people like Shango, Simian or whatever their names are that know something and that they should come forward and say what they know.

THIS IS NOT A GAME.

rant mode off

I agree JE no need to rant in my direction. I have been around for awhile......(>5000 posts check it out) not saying I know all. Just hate to see anyone new shot down on their first post. I also agree that Shango and Simian tried to convey, each in their own way information which we(collectively) have tried to understand. Some relatively new posters have arrived with an understanding of these posts, yet from what I read their posts are as cryptic or more so than what Shango and Simian
wrote almost 3 years ago. Why?

Bleached it was not a rant directed at anyone in particular i am sorry if it came across that way.
Finbar thanks for your explanation

Some relatively new posters have arrived with an understanding of these posts, yet from what I read their posts are as cryptic or more so than what Shango and Simian
wrote almost 3 years ago. Why?


Bleached.... I totally agree with you. I have been gone for awhile due to a puter crash and other life events that have prevented me from being here.Upon returning it was very obvious to me....

[MumInOhio]

Good morning Cubbee...The only part that I can see a little clearly on is the 5th. suspect.

I have come to believe this is Freddy, thought Columbo thinks otherwise...LOL

I keep trying to find 'real info' to support my case, maybe this is the wrong aproach...I don't know.

I do think Simian knew things....Shango....he confuses me....though Lala's keeps saying it's not that difficult.

[cubbeegirl]

Good morning Cubbee...The only part that I can see a little clearly on is the 5th. suspect.

I have come to believe this is Freddy, thought Columbo thinks otherwise...LOL

I keep trying to find 'real info' to support my case, maybe this is the wrong aproach...I don't know.

I do think Simian knew things....Shango....he confuses me....though Lala's keeps saying it's not that difficult.

I agree Mum... Simian knew things....Shango tends to confuse me to, as I suck at riddles ,crossword puzzles and the like....I am trying though!

[Lala'sMom]

Good morning Cubbee...The only part that I can see a little clearly on is the 5th. suspect.

I have come to believe this is Freddy, thought Columbo thinks otherwise...LOL

I keep trying to find 'real info' to support my case, maybe this is the wrong aproach...I don't know.

I do think Simian knew things....Shango....he confuses me....though Lala's keeps saying it's not that difficult.

I agree Mum... Simian knew things....Shango tends to confuse me to, as I suck at riddles ,crossword puzzles and the like....I am trying though!

Sometimes this helps.

[MumInOhio]

Let’s assume that Simian is in fact ALE. Then he would know who the suspects actually are. Since we haven’t done a list in a while here’s mine.

1.   Guido…..Asked permission on 6/7/2005 to leave for Holland. Would a witness need to ask?
2.   Joran

3.   Deepak

4.   Satish

5.   Freddy….according to Marianne Croes detained on 6/9/2005


Another interesting note ….Deepak was not questioned one time while Paulus was detained.

                                        Paul VDS Statement 6/23/05
                                      Police Car Tape Transcript 6/24/05
                                            Joran Statements 6/24/05
                                             Satish Statement 6/24/05
                                           Paul VDS Statement 6/25/05
                                            Deepak Statement 6/29/05

I put the Police car transcript in the statements to show where it fits, and in his book Joran said that Deepak and Satish were taped. Here is where he was interrogated on 6/22/2005 and the car tape on the same day.

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 22 June 2005 / 18:15
Pages: 3
Writerllnitiator: Shaniro Kelly
Description: interrogation of D.S. Kalpoe
Responsive to Requests 27 and 41

Wednesday June 22, 2005 …from book

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation: see Two thirds of the way down

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0



Hmmmmmmmm...Now just what did Simian have to say during this time.

One of the Kalpoes might be let go.....and I always thought it was Satish!

[bleachedblack]

Let’s assume that Simian is in fact ALE. Then he would know who the suspects actually are. Since we haven’t done a list in a while here’s mine.

1.   Guido…..Asked permission on 6/7/2005 to leave for Holland. Would a witness need to ask?
2.   Joran

3.   Deepak

4.   Satish

5.   Freddy….according to Marianne Croes detained on 6/9/2005


Another interesting note ….Deepak was not questioned one time while Paulus was detained.

                                        Paul VDS Statement 6/23/05
                                      Police Car Tape Transcript 6/24/05
                                            Joran Statements 6/24/05
                                             Satish Statement 6/24/05
                                           Paul VDS Statement 6/25/05
                                            Deepak Statement 6/29/05

I put the Police car transcript in the statements to show where it fits, and in his book Joran said that Deepak and Satish were taped. Here is where he was interrogated on 6/22/2005 and the car tape on the same day.

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 22 June 2005 / 18:15
Pages: 3
Writerllnitiator: Shaniro Kelly
Description: interrogation of D.S. Kalpoe
Responsive to Requests 27 and 41

Wednesday June 22, 2005 …from book

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation: see Two thirds of the way down

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0



Hmmmmmmmm...Now just what did Simian have to say during this time.

One of the Kalpoes might be let go.....and I always thought it was Satish!

Mum is this true? Guido was questioned as a witness even before Joran and 2K's?
I thought Guido left for the Netherlands as soon as 2 days after Natalee went missing. Can you fill me in?