SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Hi BB...June 2nd, 7th. and 8th.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

I'm sorry I don't have the other written ones at hand right now, just the Log.

[bleachedblack]

Here is what I think......suspects were arrested. Witnesses were questioned, Guido later was charged, maybe making him a suspect in 2006. no? Anyway depending on if you include the security guards or not, and it seems S+S made few references to them therefore I think they weren't counted in the line-up. Paulus on the other hand was actually charged. So I think

1)Joran
2)Deepak
3)Satish
4) Steve Croes
5) PVDS

http://tinyurl.com/23wv9q

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html

http://tinyurl.com/2x7vyu

[bleachedblack]

Hi BB...June 2nd, 7th. and 8th.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

I'm sorry I don't have the other written ones at hand right now, just the Log.

Thank-you Mum. I guess it it a question of when someone is truely a suspect. It is difficult.

[Lala'sMom]

Guido was still in Aruba on 6/8/2005. 

[Lala'sMom]

 Name: Guido Wever
Date: 3 June 2005 / 20:45
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Marceline Ras
Description: witness statement by Joran van der Sloot friend

 Name: Guido Wever
Date: 7 June 2005 / 14:15
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Croes
Description: Notice about leaving Aruba for Holland

 Name: Guido Wever
Date: 8 June 2005 / 20:45
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

[bleachedblack]

Guido was still in Aruba on 6/8/2005. 

Yes thank-you I saw that on the document Mum posted that he requested to leave on June 7th. I thought he had left earlier....well at least one thing is clear.

[Lala'sMom]

 Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambaizis
Date: 13 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Was Freddy really a witness or were they just treating him like one in case they could trip him up on his stories and how they did or did not conflict with the others? 

[MumInOhio]

No mention of Guido in Deepak or satish PVs for 5/31 so must be in the 'one' of Joran's. There is something further down from an Urban Croes friend of Guido and another I think Urbano Croes, HI casino...I have tried to work out if this is the same person.

Sorry about all the I thinks...LOL


BB...That is why I have been chasing around looking for someone that apparently didn't finish school and went to the Netherlands...and supposedly had scratches...I will have to find it again tomorrow, but apparently no scratches for Guido.

[MumInOhio]

This is some I had saved about the scratches, but there is more if I can put my hands on it. I believe a lot of the confusion came from Tito...IIRC...and I think that path led to Sander...

: Mon May 22, 2006 1:22 am    Post subject:  from hyscience 

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You're welcome Harry. It has been interesting to read around and I may have just gotten more confused than clarified. I'm going to bed now. You and me seem to be the only one's up late tonight and commenting.

There seem to be enough folks speculating about three people that my guess is there will be if it has not happened already. I think your original assessment that this Wever arrest is more than a suspect, perhaps a real charge, is likely accurate. The only reason I might guess that it may not be is the interview with Joe T >> I just didn't get the impression that he was convinced since he stressed they had known about him since the beginning.

One post somewhere said that Weaver worked the casino the night Natalee disappeared, my impression was for a few hours after her disappearance, and that others who worked with him thought he acted nervous (that wasn't their adjective, but it was similar), then he abruptly quit after her disappearance and moved to Holland. It is claimed by some he had scratches and bruises after here disappearance, but some were disputing this. He and Joran also were alleged to have played tennis the afternoon after Natalee disappeared.

I did find over at Refugees that someone seems to think these below are the three people being arrested. They say that Guido Wever was arrested last Wed and is the subject of the Dutch news interview and the one that Aruba wants to come back to be charged,that his attorney will fight this. One person said this Wever is not Lorenzo, but I am not sure about that. One said that Wever is not his Dutch last name, but his Dutch name does not exist in Aruba so he is called Wever - I have no idea is this is accurate and did not see this posted but once.

There is some speculation that the Columbian that some claim to have been arrested in Aruba may be the famous Jossy witness gardener.


Reply #950 on: January 22, 2008, 04:48:35 AM »    Quote
 
Bringing this discussion from August forward as Jossy is quoted as saying that it was not Guido who had the scratches.   


dialogue from final LCD thread on August 11, 2007, 07:07:02 PM

How did Guido get into this picture, charged as suspected as being accomplice to among other things heavy battery, "Grievous Bodily Harm". What time did Guido leave work that late night?

Anybody think that Guido was questioned in the first week of June 05 because of scratch/other witnesses, unrelated to Joran...initially?

I've a question. Did Jossy say or write that the scratches were on GvC not Guido?

He was detained last Wednesday. He was considered a witness in June, 2005. Since February of this year, he is now a suspect. Prosecutor in Aruba want him very quickly. Main evidence against him is witness made statements against him. He claims that he is innocent and never met Natalee last June.

Jossy says he will have to come back to Aruba and the case will go forward in court. Guido Wever is his name. He did not have scratches or bruises on him last June. He was interrogated last June. Good friend of Joran. Played Tennis with him and gambles with Joran. Jossy believes Guido is in bigger trouble than GVC ever was. GVC never knew Joran.

Also, according to Jossy Mansur of Diario in Aruba Guido Weaver is not the individual that was arrested the other day with the scratches on his face. Guido Weaver is another detained individual. The identity of the individual who was arrested with the scratches has yet to be identified.

 

[Lala'sMom]

 Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

What was in the previous witness statements that caused Jacobs to sit in on this interview?  I think it concerned the timeline...shortly after this interview both Koen and Sander were questioned. Flor Metz had been questioned also at this time.

The next day Jacobs is back in there with Freddy.  Freddy had information and they were either trying to find out what he knew in order to effect the cover up or Freddy said something inconsistent with previous statements made by J2K and Paulus.  Steve Croes was arrested and Simian began his convos on the FP with the other Aruban posters.  Now...the question is...what prompted this? 

Jacobs interference?
Timeline conflicts?
Missing cell phones?
Missing shoes?

Jaime was also questioned around this time...Jacobs questioned both Steve Croes and Jaime on the same day.

[Lala'sMom]

From Paulus PV of June 18:

On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I did not pick up Joran from anywhere. I slept solidly through the night without waking up. On May 30th in the morning hours, I did not notice anything out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the I.S.A. bus with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it, and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period. He was busy with his final exams and sometimes he stayed home. On May 30th at approximately 08.00, I went to work. The precise time I do not know for sure because during that period I had different hours on different days that I started working. I cannot remember any more if I came home to eat in the middle of the day, because that too was different on different days. At approximately 16.30, I got home and the kids were already home. Because my wife was in the Netherlands, I wanted to be home when the kids came home from school. Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Raquet Club with my Suzuki, so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym.

Notice Paulus doesn't say a word in this about that documented 4 AM time frame that the courts used to deny him compensation.  He simple slept through the night.

[Lala'sMom]

From the same PV of Paulus June 18:
You are asking me whether I asked Joran for Guido's phone-number. I did indeed do that to verify with Guido if Joran had truly won third place at the Holiday Inn Tournament. Joran had told me he had won third place, he said he had won $150 and had exchanged these into Aruban florin. I had my doubts because he hadn't told me he had won the money immediately after winning it. I spoke with Guido at the “Raquet Club” and he told me Joran did indeed win third or fourth place. I allow Joran to play the “Free Tournaments” but he is not allowed to play for real money in the casino.


Hmmmmm!  Joran in a casino playing poker and blackjack...we know he was sitting at a table playing, because we have a video of it.  He was playing with REAL MONEY.  I doubt he was just sitting there trying to get fake money back for one of those girls.  Paulus was also playing with REAL money. 

This statement, if we had it in it's entirety would be a real eye opener. Most of it is lies...but even lies tell a tale.  ALE already knew Guido was involved in some way...they were asking Paulus if he...Paulus himself....had called Guido!  Paulus had other reason to call Guido and it wasn't about fake money...Paulus already knew the answer to that...he was sitting there with Joran. MOO

[MumInOhio]

Joran was questioned about Flor's cell phone...heck they were all questioned about cell phones.

I would have to check the PV's to see the dates and also the date the shoes were first talked about.

I know the shoes were discussed by Deepak, in my post above on June 4th, from the book. That says June statement with a ?....came from the book translation....the one from other sites, not the one that Klaas did.

[Lala'sMom]

It is becoming much more likely that Freddy is the 5th suspect.  He certainly was in the mix as a witness...did Simian interchange the words suspect and witness or was he calling Freddy was he really was.....SUSPECT...it's harder to get suspects to talk...but leave them as witnesses and you get more from them.  It's that darn alibi that keeps throwing a kink in all this information. 

[bleachedblack]

I do remeber hearing about Guido with the scratches....seems Jossy thinks it is someone else though? GVC maybe? Sorry Lala's I know this non-Shango is making you 

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    Jossy says he will have to come back to Aruba and the case will go forward in court. Guido Wever is his name. He did not have scratches or bruises on him last June. He was interrogated last June. Good friend of Joran. Played Tennis with him and gambles with Joran. Jossy believes Guido is in bigger trouble than GVC ever was. GVC never knew Joran.

Also, according to Jossy Mansur of Diario in Aruba Guido Weaver is not the individual that was arrested the other day with the scratches on his face. Guido Weaver is another detained individual. The identity of the individual who was arrested with the scratches has yet to be identified.

http://tinyurl.com/2axrma

[bleachedblack]

It is becoming much more likely that Freddy is the 5th suspect.  He certainly was in the mix as a witness...did Simian interchange the words suspect and witness or was he calling Freddy was he really was.....SUSPECT...it's harder to get suspects to talk...but leave them as witnesses and you get more from them.  It's that darn alibi that keeps throwing a kink in all this information. 

I think it would depend on the vantage point from where Simian was observing the case. Just thinking out loud,but the nearer the inside(to ALE), possibly the more privy to information and therefore the more likely to consider Freddy the fifth. By contrast my post referring to PVDS as the fifth is according to MSM. Clear as mud-I know.

[Lala'sMom]

It is becoming much more likely that Freddy is the 5th suspect.  He certainly was in the mix as a witness...did Simian interchange the words suspect and witness or was he calling Freddy was he really was.....SUSPECT...it's harder to get suspects to talk...but leave them as witnesses and you get more from them.  It's that darn alibi that keeps throwing a kink in all this information. 

I think it would depend on the vantage point from where Simian was observing the case. Just thinking out loud,but the nearer the inside(to ALE), possibly the more privy to information and therefore the more likely to consider Freddy the fifth. By contrast my post referring to PVDS as the fifth is according to MSM. Clear as mud-I know.

Don't get me wrong...Paulus could fit the 5th suspect just as easily if we could just get that "boyfriend" term in perspective.   Yep, clear as mud. LOL

[Finbar]

Finbar thanks for your explanation
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YW.

Would a male[/] ever say, "... playing with emotions..." in your opinion?

I agree with your frustration though.

There are many winding paths created where none should exist. Why?

Fin

[Finbar]

Finbar & Bleachedblack -

Do you seriously think I only look at IP's and email addys?  I've read everything that has been posted about AG and Simian and others.  I have done my own research.

Like I said, I'm not telling you what to believe I've simply saying that I will stake my life on it that AG is not Simian.

I believe arguing the point is very unproductive at this stage of the game.

Klaas,

I never mentioned IP's and email addys first. lol.

I would not stake me life on anything in this twisted puzzle. I would place the probability in the 90% range though. With the dopple being the mother.

If not her, then it would have to be M.C..

I would like to hear your thoughts on who it is. You may email me if you do not wish to post it.

Simian is a female though.

All Me Best,
Fin

[COLOMBO]

It is becoming much more likely that Freddy is the 5th suspect.  He certainly was in the mix as a witness...did Simian interchange the words suspect and witness or was he calling Freddy was he really was.....SUSPECT...it's harder to get suspects to talk...but leave them as witnesses and you get more from them.  It's that darn alibi that keeps throwing a kink in all this information. 

I think it would depend on the vantage point from where Simian was observing the case. Just thinking out loud,but the nearer the inside(to ALE), possibly the more privy to information and therefore the more likely to consider Freddy the fifth. By contrast my post referring to PVDS as the fifth is according to MSM. Clear as mud-I know.

Don't get me wrong...Paulus could fit the 5th suspect just as easily if we could just get that "boyfriend" term in perspective.   Yep, clear as mud. LOL

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.