SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[klaasend]

LALA:

Only Freddy living near the sloot is

Bordes   Freddy   8/12/1958   Utrecht   Montanja 34

older man DUTCH. I am wondering that these names are all made up as a smokescreen

I doubt there will be a listing in Freddy's name.  Will be in the name of his parents either under Zedan or Arambatzis. 

VMS just posted Montanja 39-F

Edited to add:  I believe Sasha is Freddy's stepsister.  Sasha's name is Sasha Rodriguez (I think).  Trying to work and think at the same time, lol.

[CapsLockWizard]

this is from the ...... official  database  hmmmmm

[CapsLockWizard]

wel look at this

Lima                             Montanja 39C
Lima                             Montanja 39C
Lima                             Montanja 39C
Paramaribo                Montanja 39C
Aruba                             Montanja 39C
distrikt Commewijne   Montanja 39C
Aruba                            Montanja 39E
Los Taques               Montanja 39G
Punta Cardon               Montanja 39G
Eindhoven              Montanja 39G
Utrecht                           Montanja 39G



Where is the F adress ????

this is a current database

[CapsLockWizard]

This remind me of the Steve Croes Address: Shiribana 3-I and did not show up

[vms]

This remind me of the Steve Croes Address: Shiribana 3-I and did not show up

Caps,

Did you try Montanja 62 ?

[CapsLockWizard]

Canlas   Teoderico   7/1/1951   Angeles City   Montanja 62
Lacle   Mateo   9/21/1923   Aruba   Montanja 62A
Cratsz   Philip S   9/28/1971   Curacao   Montanja 62C
Cratsz, geb. Ras   Rita E   2/8/1965   Aruba   Montanja 62C
Jansen   Irenaeus PT   7/6/1960   Rotterdam   Montanja 62D
Jansen, geb. Bouwman   Vendetta XC   11/22/1955   Aruba   Montanja 62D
Wu   Huan Z   7/10/1949   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu   Wen G   4/14/1976   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu   Wen Y   11/8/1973   Guangdong   Montanja 62E
Wu, geb. Liu   Yue Y   11/2/1949   Guangdong   Montanja 62E

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Kermit, Klaas and VMS.  I knew someone had the info handy.  I should have known it was the little froggy that could help us. 

CAPS
Freddy lived just down the street from Joran...he mentions it in something I have read...somewhere...at sometime. LOL

[JE]

according to
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=255.0
it 39F and 39G

[CapsLockWizard]

there is only 1 Address with Montanja 62

very strange.....hmmm

[vms]

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/LANDSCOURANT%20KLEIN-2006-2007.XLS

 

[Lala'sMom]

I guess the next question is does the Rodriguez we have a statement from related or connected to Freddy?  Now, I wonder how we find that out?

[sharon]

Thanks Kermit, Klaas and VMS.  I knew someone had the info handy.  I should have known it was the little froggy that could help us. 

CAPS
Freddy lived just down the street from Joran...he mentions it in something I have read...somewhere...at sometime. LOL

Lala's -- I saw your post on the main Natalee thread.

What do you want in relation to Ernesto? I had ton's of stuff -- not sure if I can put my hands on it --posted it all here in the past.

Info on Ernesto seemed to 'dry up' in 2006.

He was working at 'mynt lounge' on Miami Beach the last I knew -- and that was 2006.

Ernesto has either changed his name -- or has really gone underground (which can't really be a possibility due to how he makes his living).

I somewhere have a copy of his finalized 'divorce' filing. It was to a woman.

I also have a copy of a 'discharged' complaint -- Florida statute of 'domestic violence' which means you are related or are sharing the same living space -- filed against Ernesto by a male friend.

(either the ex wife or the ex roommate is 'Ariel Stein' -- can't remember right now  )

Anyhow -- it will probably take me a bit to dig the stuff out so I was curious if you had something specific in mind.


BTW you will see a LOT of things in Miami as 'Brickell'. You will even find many of the real estate holding with "brickell' in the title related to POSNER.

POSNER is Victor Posner. Passed away. Head of Arby's, Sharon Steel, and a few other conglomerates.

NO RELATION to Michael Posner. I've mentioned that before -- not that anyone cares. 

[CapsLockWizard]

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/LANDSCOURANT%20KLEIN-2006-2007.XLS

 

The Aruba Chamber database show an address of a person that I know that his business is closed since 2004
The database is almost 4yr old.

[jackb]

Lala's...the pics with the gate are back around page 25 or so...I'm not sure where it is. Do you want me to find them?

Alto Vista chapel is near the Natural Bridge.

I have been looking for a map as Freddy's Mon works at Bubali Sports Club and I was trying to find that and the Bird Sanctuary.

I have been thinking about trying organize stuff in this thread with categories...what do you think? Don't know how to do it, but it would be nice if we had sections for each person that could be a part of the Simian/Shango/Merian/Shock riddles.

Thank You Lala's....Freddy needs to tell the truth!

LOL...I have been thinking of making an index???? I scanned about 30 pages last week looking for something on GVC.

Does Shango mention a gate or a key?

Ayo rock formations/Casibari...back on page 25....will go to the link that JE posted...Thanks JE...

Do you remember what anidac posted last week about the green truck or SUV....back around page 100....LOL...

Santos had a green truck or his Dad did and I found this....

Leonardo Lopez Riviera          …6/27/2005    Jacobs...ISA student
                                           1/7/2005 …..Freddy same day-not Jacobs
                                           8/29/2005    Jacobs

CHATO   – aka Leonardo, Mexican, drives a green 4 door Ford pick-up truck.


YES Lala's...makes perfect sense to me.....

We need to get this green truck to fit better in this scenario.  I am still trying to make the connection.  I was thinking maybe Freddy doesn't leave, but calls someone else to help with the body. Enter Steve Croes..he's close by on the beach somewhere...maybe. Then who would he call for a pickup?  I know I am venturing off the path here.  I am beginning to think that Paulus didn't come into play until that 4 AM stop at McDonald's.  That leaves time for hiding a body... waiting at the pond...cleaning a car...and making phone calls.  I do not think my first call would have been to my father...if said father was at home asleep.  It is more likely Joran did walk up to the Marriott looking for help...but not the kind you would expect..he was looking for disposal help instead.

Steve Croes good friend GVC is Security and has access to all kinds of vehicles, boats, and ATVs.  Who would notices cops going out on a boat or looking as if they are patroling.  Of course GVC's parents would alibi him, they would lose everything if the company vehicles and employee (son) were fingered in this.  They could be sued up the wazoo.       jack blue

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Kermit, Klaas and VMS.  I knew someone had the info handy.  I should have known it was the little froggy that could help us. 

CAPS
Freddy lived just down the street from Joran...he mentions it in something I have read...somewhere...at sometime. LOL

Lala's -- I saw your post on the main Natalee thread.

What do you want in relation to Ernesto? I had ton's of stuff -- not sure if I can put my hands on it --posted it all here in the past.

Info on Ernesto seemed to 'dry up' in 2006.

He was working at 'mynt lounge' on Miami Beach the last I knew -- and that was 2006.

Ernesto has either changed his name -- or has really gone underground (which can't really be a possibility due to how he makes his living).

I somewhere have a copy of his finalized 'divorce' filing. It was to a woman.

I also have a copy of a 'discharged' complaint -- Florida statute of 'domestic violence' which means you are related or are sharing the same living space -- filed against Ernesto by a male friend.

(either the ex wife or the ex roommate is 'Ariel Stein' -- can't remember right now  )

Anyhow -- it will probably take me a bit to dig the stuff out so I was curious if you had something specific in mind.


BTW you will see a LOT of things in Miami as 'Brickell'. You will even find many of the real estate holding with "brickell' in the title related to POSNER.

POSNER is Victor Posner. Passed away. Head of Arby's, Sharon Steel, and a few other conglomerates.

NO RELATION to Michael Posner. I've mentioned that before -- not that anyone cares. 

Thanks!  I think what we are looking at is Freddy and Ernesto's connections.  I know we have discussed it before, but Mum probably hasn't seen it and most likely the newbies either. 

Is the Brickell Bay stuff connected to Ernesto or do I have that confused?  Thanks for the Posner info...I had forgotten that one.

Please post what you have if it's not too much trouble...anything for reference helps us when we are digging around trying to make connections. 

[Lala'sMom]

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/LANDSCOURANT%20KLEIN-2006-2007.XLS

 

The Aruba Chamber database show an address of a person that I know that his business is closed since 2004
The database is almost 4yr old.

Does your Chamber of Commerce work like ours here in USA?  Ours lists only businesses that are associated with certain persons and not info on every individual in the area.

[MumInOhio]

Strange my doc's say it's locked for editing, but it will let me read my own notes...LOL...maybe we are onto something!

Sorry but just copied and pasted....will see if I can find anything else



ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT   LILIAN REGINA   MONTANJA   62   NOORD
            
MONTANJA   62   NOORD


ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT   LILIAN REGINA   MONTANJA   39-F


Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom: Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom:
LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT
It appears that she has been married twice. I don't know if Rodriguez or Albert is her maiden name. Since she is listed as being "Dutch" I would think that "Albert" was probably her maiden name....but, I am not sure. Can anybody help me out on this?
I have always thought "Zedan" was Freddy's last name until I found this other info. Could it be his middle name?
You can find this information at:
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_search.afp
Type in: S.C. BUBALI where it says TRADE NAME & then click search.
Posted by: Shelly | Monday, August 29, 2005

LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT
It appears that she has been married twice. I don't know if Rodriguez or Albert is her maiden name. Since she is listed as being "Dutch" I would think that "Albert" was probably her maiden name....but, I am not sure. Can anybody help me out on this?
I have always thought "Zedan" was Freddy's last name until I found this other info. Could it be his middle name?
You can find this information at:
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_search.afp
Type in: S.C. BUBALI where it says TRADE NAME & then click search.
Posted by: Shelly | Monday, August 29, 2005

[klaasend]

Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom:
LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

[sharon]

 

Well, Mum -- if Ernesto is using one of his mother's names of Rodriguez -- I'll never be able to find him amongst the millions of Rodriguez's here in Miami 

Sorry -- just a little Miami humour 

Lala's -- I will look for what I have on Ernesto and post it -- probably later this afternoon or evening (or when I can find it).

IMO -- there is no connection with Brickell Bay and Ernesto. I think Grande might have a different opinion, however not sure where he's posting his stuff these days. I know search is difficult -- but maybe you can find his postings on the SM forum??

[JE]

another arambatzis in venezuela 52 years old male
http://www.esdata.info/centro/38162/electores/1