SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

From RWV:

As I said before what about Freddy ? he's always with Joran an Deepak at the bar's an get togethers an his name hasnt come up yet ?

Posted by: NorthAla | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 08:38 PM



Let's cloud things even further or maybe even clear it up.  I found this in the same area concerning Max Arends.



Possibly - this is Max Arends? - I remember this name early on as someone that came in for questioning by the LE.

Don't think it is Max-I know his father very well, and he told me he is not that close to Joran, and this was a month ago, and all the classmates were brought in for questioning-not only Max

Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:07 PM

Don't think it is Max-I know his father very well, and he told me he is not that close to Joran, and this was a month ago, and all the classmates were brought in for questioning-not only Max

Posted by: scubajap | August 11, 2005 09:07 PM

Is this the Max that is Lorenzo's alibi or is there another Max?

Posted by: (((AG))) | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:08 PM

Just got off the phone with Bibi (Max,sr) Arends, Max's father. They are sitting in a movie theatre in Orlando, Florida at this very moment, because Max is going to school there. So I doubt he is giving a statement in Aruba. Bibi informs me Max has never stayed over in Joran's house.

Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:13 PM

[truthseeker2]

Here are some pics of the 'pond' in Moko.











Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:01 pm
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow
or forever remained closed

This is when Paulus and Steve Croes were released and the next day the Moko quarry search began and ended.

[JE]

@truthseeker thx for the pics. i guess the word pond is flattering things a bit

[truthseeker2]

@truthseeker thx for the pics. i guess the word pond is flattering things a bit

LOL.  Yeah, the place looks like a dump.

[CapsLockWizard]

@truthseeker thx for the pics. i guess the word pond is flattering things a bit

LOL.  Yeah, the place looks like a dump.

Ohh yehh it is a big dump

[CapsLockWizard]

the CAPS say: I receve my messeges from far away

 

Thanks for lighting the puff puff, Now I going to exhange some gold bars 

[kippy]

Maybe someone else needs to google Freddy Arambatzis/Arends.....

Just who the heck is Freddy?

(a.k.a. Locoman Pimp,” a.k.a. “badboy_956,” a.k.a. “Freddy Zedan” nickname “Fefi”)

 according to Joran’s book.

http://www.fokkinel.com/tag/joran-van-der-sloot/

Do all the pimps refer to themselves as "locoman pimp" or is this just Freddy's nickname?  I remember while reading the internet messages between Joran and Depak (or whoever it really was) the Joran left a message saying "locoman pimp hehhehehe". Wondering if it was Freddy at Sloots house leaving that message pretending to be Joran or if Joran was referring to Depak and himself as locoman pimps.

[Lala'sMom]

yapperz1
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1629 on: February 01, 2008, 10:07:12 PM »
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Caps:

VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
 
Business address MONTANJA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  ASSOCIATION 
Name of the VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 21 JULY 1995 
incorporation/commencement:
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE 
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
VAN DIJK, JOHANNES; 
Residing in  NOORDERPLASSENWEG 38, 1316 US ALMERE, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, HAARLEM on 12 JANUARY 1962 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position 
Effective  6 JUNE 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
VAN DER LUYT, ALBERTUS; 
Residing in  CATHARINADAL 9, 5235 BJ DEN BOSCH, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NOORDWIJK on 28 OCTOBER 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
BARNAS, PETRONELLA GEERTRUIDA; 
Residing in  VAN HALEWIJNBAAN 329, 2274 TK VOORBURG, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, VOORBURG on 7 APRIL 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   




I think these are the Dutch owned apartments you see in the upper right corner of the photo.  If I am wrong, Caps will correct me.

[CapsLockWizard]

Maybe someone else needs to google Freddy Arambatzis/Arends.....

Just who the heck is Freddy?

(a.k.a. Locoman Pimp,” a.k.a. “badboy_956,” a.k.a. “Freddy Zedan” nickname “Fefi”)

 according to Joran’s book.

http://www.fokkinel.com/tag/joran-van-der-sloot/

Do all the pimps refer to themselves as "locoman pimp" or is this just Freddy's nickname?  I remember while reading the internet messages between Joran and Depak (or whoever it really was) the Joran left a message saying "locoman pimp hehhehehe". Wondering if it was Freddy at Sloots house leaving that message pretending to be Joran or if Joran was referring to Depak and himself as locoman pimps.

LOCO means CRAZY in spanish and papiamento and it is also the way to identyfie your group gang. Thee is the MADIKI PIMP, PLAYAPABAO PIMP, LOCOMAN PIMP,

I think they got the idea from these rap songs that they watch on you tumbe.

There is also a older PIMPs that are in the escort bussiness wh call themself "I'LL BE PIMPING ALL MY LIVE" and that whtat they do for a living.. Why the government allows it.."Must be friends and famaly" connected.

[Lala'sMom]

I think Simian was telling us who he was talking about...

"cool and crazy" guy....."locoman" pimp

It has been in plain view all the time.  Oops!  I just mixed my Shango with my Simian. 

[COLOMBO]

or clients:

Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf

dirty hand:
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too. 
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

The fallen judge and the singing card (DirtyHand) are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Children of the Elders play in the maze

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation (Arawaks)
meet, under cover of delusion.
Dirty Hand is the link! (between young babylonians & the Arawaks)
He holds the real key (to the poison house)

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:39 am
The arawaks must hunt the lions
in the place of darkness
house of secrets

Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money?

[Lala'sMom]

Joran June 14 PV:
Deepak and I had agreed that we should talk a lot on the phone and "Chat" a lot on internet to make our story believable. I must also state that I had talked to Freddy and my parents about the fact that Deepak could have gone back to the girl. Freddy also said that if Deepak indeed went back to the girl that I was in big trouble because I was the last person seen with the girl. Freddy had told me that to be safe I should record a conversation between Deepak, Satish and myself.

What does that mean?  RECORD a conversation?  Interesting what you can find by reading over and over again.


Joran June 9 PV:
To your question with whom I regularly go to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I regularly go there with "Freddy ZEDAN" and "Jaime CARASQUIA". Freddy is a Venezuelan and Jaime is a Columbian. The boy named "Koen GOTENBOS" also regularly goes out with us. The names of my three friends are in the memory of my mobile phone. Freddy is under the name "Fefi" and Koen under the name "Cul".



Deepak June 10 PV:
 To your question whether these are local girls or tourists, I can state the following. They are tourists.
To your question as to who is the one who makes the first move towards the girls we are going to pick up, I can state the following. It usually is Joran or another friend with the name Freddy Zedan.



Deepak June 11 PV:
To your question whether I know if Joran told the story to someone else, than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is in my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the made up story. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time. If you go and talk to Freddy, he will tell you the made up story and maybe also the truth. [/b]

Satish June 13 PV:
Joran´s parents were also in his apartment. His mother arrived that day from Holland. She wanted to know everything. We told her what had happened. We didn´t tell his parents the truth. We told them the story we made up. His mother did not want us to stay long. We left after an hour. We drove straight home. We arrived home around 11 p.m. My brother and I decided to inform our parents when they got back from work. On Thursday June 2, 2005 around 00.30 a.m. we told our parents about what happened. We sat at the porch behind our house. We told our parents the made up story. The story in which we dropped the girl at Holiday Inn. During the days after that Thursday, we met Joran more often to discuss the case of Natalee. I have to tell though, we could never talk alone because Joran´s father came between us all the time, to hear what we had to say. Joran´s father wanted to know everything but we did not tell him the truth. Except Freddy, nobody knew we left Joran and the girl behind at the Marriot Beach. To answer your question whether Joran drives his parents' car every now and then, I can say he has no driver´s license. His parents do not allow him to drive the car, and he even does not do that in secret. Joran can drive a car, however. He once drove my mother´s car. I have only contact with Freddy during the weekends, when we go out.

Normally during the week I have no contact with Freddy. Only when we go out in the weekend. To answer your question when it was the last time Deepak´s car was cleaned: The last time Deepak and I cleaned the car it was Sunday May 29, 2005, during the evening. The car is cleaned once a week. Usually by me. The car wash usually takes place on Fridays and Saturdays during the afternoon. Sunday May 29, 2005 was the only exception. But the cleaning happened, as I said, because of the ants that entered the car.

Freddy can't tell the truth!!

[ospainter]

HI Everyone,

I wonder why Simian and Shango chose SM to post their messages?

Dan's site was in full swing at that time with Aruban posters. There were probably others. But for some reason they chose SM. Did someone "bring" them here?

I have been reading back on the FP of SM during the early days in June and see several posters from Aruba.

By the 12th of June several Aruban posters were very upset with the mention of "coverup", the media, and Americans in general they are no longer here but wonder

what they would say now? It is obvious to me 1 poster didn't like the Gov't of Aruba but liked the ALE.

Just things that me go hummmmm.

Hi Lalas

MOO

OS

[martini]

Freddy was used as a patsy: a person who is easily manipulated aka as a Sucker.

The cover-up started at the beginning, lie to Freddy and have Freddy tell what he believes to be the truth. 

[CapsLockWizard]

yapperz1
Scared Monkey
Posts: 1206
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1629 on: February 01, 2008, 10:07:12 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
Caps:

VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
 
Business address MONTANJA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  ASSOCIATION 
Name of the VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 21 JULY 1995 
incorporation/commencement:
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE 
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
VAN DIJK, JOHANNES; 
Residing in  NOORDERPLASSENWEG 38, 1316 US ALMERE, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, HAARLEM on 12 JANUARY 1962 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position 
Effective  6 JUNE 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
VAN DER LUYT, ALBERTUS; 
Residing in  CATHARINADAL 9, 5235 BJ DEN BOSCH, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NOORDWIJK on 28 OCTOBER 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
BARNAS, PETRONELLA GEERTRUIDA; 
Residing in  VAN HALEWIJNBAAN 329, 2274 TK VOORBURG, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, VOORBURG on 7 APRIL 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   




I think these are the Dutch owned apartments you see in the upper right corner of the photo.  If I am wrong, Caps will correct me.

Yes they are

Simian says:

90.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx

…they boys met around the pool in Montanja.

…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

Only one piece is missing.
Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say. They did not know why. They were asked to protect the boy. The father was not there, but he knew what to do.

The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.

Not even a confession will help.

One witness is not a witness.

The body is needed.

[Lala'sMom]

HI Everyone,

I wonder why Simian and Shango chose SM to post their messages?

Dan's site was in full swing at that time with Aruban posters. There were probably others. But for some reason they chose SM. Did someone "bring" them here?

I have been reading back on the FP of SM during the early days in June and see several posters from Aruba.

By the 12th of June several Aruban posters were very upset with the mention of "coverup", the media, and Americans in general they are no longer here but wonder

what they would say now? It is obvious to me 1 poster didn't like the Gov't of Aruba but liked the ALE.

Just things that me go hummmmm.

Hi Lalas

MOO

OS

LOL If we knew then what we know now...we all would have paid attention to the posters better.  I feel sure Simian posted under other names as did Shango.  I hold less credence to Shango's rantings than Simian since I know that Simian was or was connected to ALE in some way. Shango didn't get that inside info and therefore was out of the loop...the results....jealousy. 

Simian and Checkme and Lucy and Allyinmiami were best buds and most likley IM with each other then came to the FP and held court for all to see.  Don't you think?  Not saying they didn't know what was happening..just saying.

MOO

[ospainter]

Hey Lalas

I am a slow reader and must admit I skipped over some posts to get to Simain, then realized in order to get a feel for the FP I had to go back to earlier.

What I did read of Simian's posts there was a poster "kirsten or kristen" that would explain what Simian was saying, and Simian never said her explanations were wrong.

Don't think kirsten/Kristen (small k) knew Simian though.

In a day or two I might be up to the Simian posts..Lots of reading..

IMO, Simian was connected to ALE somehow, really don't think he/she is ALE yet might change my mind about that in the future.

Yep, never know our enemies do we, but, but, but they sounded so sincere..They wanted to help, they wanted to find Natalee, they wanted justice..

Plain and simple they wanted the media out, they wanted the boards shut down, they wanted us to shut up, they wanted the family to leave, they wanted business as

usual and that was around June 8th maybe 10th..

Boy, a few from back then are a thorn in my side..

Well back to reading..

MOO

OS

[Chata]

CAPS posted:

90.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx

…they boys met around the pool in Montanja.

…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

Only one piece is missing. Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say. They did not know why. They were asked to protect the boy. The father was not there, but he knew what to do.

The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.

Not even a confession will help.

One witness is not a witness.

The body is needed.

CAPS,
Joran has now confessed and conveniently removed everyone from involvement, with the exception of Daury.  Does this leave the way clear for Natalee to be recovered or will this never happen???  Just your opinion as an Aruban.

[CapsLockWizard]

CAPS posted:

90.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx

…they boys met around the pool in Montanja.

…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

Only one piece is missing. Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say. They did not know why. They were asked to protect the boy. The father was not there, but he knew what to do.

The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.

Not even a confession will help.

One witness is not a witness.

The body is needed.

CAPS,
Joran has now confessed and conveniently removed everyone from involvement, with the exception of Daury.  Does this leave the way clear for Natalee to be recovered or will this never happen???  Just your opinion as an Aruban.

well shango left someting very interesting in his posting...it is about the 46th.

if the holloways go Sloots vs Holloway in court, it will go nowhere. but if The holloway go for a Group vs a Group then they can use the 46th to get justice.

they should go USA citizen vs DUTCH citizen. A group of innocent on vacation beeing terrorized, prowled for a group pleasure leadind to Murder. Who killed her the group.

Individuality case then can be tried via extradiction to face the USA Justice after the 46th issue their verdict.

[klaasend]

HI Everyone,

I wonder why Simian and Shango chose SM to post their messages?

Dan's site was in full swing at that time with Aruban posters. There were probably others. But for some reason they chose SM. Did someone "bring" them here?

I have been reading back on the FP of SM during the early days in June and see several posters from Aruba.

By the 12th of June several Aruban posters were very upset with the mention of "coverup", the media, and Americans in general they are no longer here but wonder

what they would say now? It is obvious to me 1 poster didn't like the Gov't of Aruba but liked the ALE.

Just things that me go hummmmm.

Hi Lalas

MOO

OS

Yes RWV was busy as were other sites.  I have no idea why Shango and Simian chose to post on the front page of SM.  I do know that Simian also posted at RWV as Marian Ernest.  We still have many Aruban posters on the front page of SM and they still don't like mention of a coverup or Boycott.  We now have many more from the Netherlands that now understand more what Natalee's family has gone through.