SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Not sure on this Blonde....I recall he was living with his Grandmother and the uncle lived next door. I don't have the links handy, but it may have been Fox. There is a lot of info at Riehl World on this.

Also the Mother came from Curacao when he was arrested and was concerned when he was called to the police station in August, when the Kalpoes and Freddy were arrested, that he was going to be re-arrested.

Steve said he was there to pick up some things....I asked I believe last week, if SGC was singing in August....

COLUMBO would know when Steve was singing.... 

[Blonde]

His Uncle is Rufo Solognier retired ALE who he was living with.

The party boat that employs Croes docks near the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying.

Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer, described his nephew as a quiet divorced man with a 2-year-old son. Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.html



CNN spoke with his next-door neighbor, who identified himself as Rufo Solognier. He identified the person arrested as his nephew Steve Croes and described him as a quiet, divorced father of a 2-year-old son.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html


RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE: No, not for a week.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is your...

SOLOGNIER: My wife went to the courtroom this morning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Right. What did they say in court today?

SOLOGNIER: Nothing. Nothing. They can't say nothing. He can't speak to her.

VAN SUSTEREN: They won't let Steve Croes talk to his...

SOLOGNIER: No, nobody.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why not?

SOLOGNIER: I don't know. I have to ask the lawyer.

VAN SUSTEREN: Steve is not your son, he's your nephew, right?

SOLOGNIER: He's the nephew of my wife.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where is Steve's parents?

SOLOGNIER: In Curacao.

VAN SUSTEREN: And sorry, he lives next door with his grandmother?

SOLOGNIER: Grandmother, grandfather.

VAN SUSTEREN: With your wife's mother and father then?

SOLOGNIER: Yes, yes, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And his grandparents. Any idea
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html

[MumInOhio]

Mum this one is for you...

Deepak 6/10 PV:

To your question whether or not we pick up girls when we go for example to "Carlos & Charlies", I can state the following. Yes, we from time to time pick up girls there.

To your question whether these are local girls or tourists, I can state the following. They are tourists.
To your question as to who is the one who makes the first move towards the girls we are going to pick up, I can state the following. It usually is Joran or another friend with the name Freddy Zedan.

Joran and Freddy are the two that work the tourists.  Did someone say 5th suspect?

Still doing my homework assignment...LOL...and found this interesting in that Deepak was calling Freddy - Freddy Zedan this early in the case.

Would someone please look at the famous pic on page 80 and see if they think Freddy could be either Greek or Middle Eastern....Arambatzis-Greek...Zedan-Middle Eastern....only one Arambatzis found in Venezuela and NO Zedans in Aruba or Venezuela....Note to self...LOL...the Arends name didn't stick for long!

Joran over stresses in his book that Freddy only spoke Pap...no Dutch.

Too many names and too much mystery surrounds Freddy, including sneaking him out the back door when he was released, I need to find out more about Freddy!

[Lala'sMom]

"The justices on the Aruban bench:

mr. J.S. Kuiperdal ...deceased...info in the thread somewhere...judge in the security guards cases.

The justices on the Curacao bench

From  previous posts back on page 74...coincidence???

mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000

Judge sorry the translated page didn't copy
Rechter Leo van Gijn wilde vooral van de bewindsman en het Departement van Luchtvaart horen waarom het eerste artikel van de verleende vergunning alle ruimte biedt aan de luchtvaartmaatschappij

Reply #1468 on: January 29, 2008, 01:53:32 PM »   Reply with quote
 
I knew I'd seen it...Jossy used Gijn...the other paper used Rijn...From what I've seen the Gijn family is influential and has a history in The netherlands...

#471 on: June 21, 2007, 11:39:26 AM » Quote 

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http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/21/


Quote
Cas yena cu camara, yen di cacho brabo y rondona cu prikkel draad…
LORENZO VAN GIJN DETENI PA PLANTACION GRANDI
DI MARIHUANA NA SAVANETA

ORANJESTAD(AAN):Lorenzo van Gijn no ta un desconoci di polis. Den e bishitanan cu e Team Bijzondere Projecten a haci na diferente lugar, su cas no tabata un excepcion.

Now, if Lorenzo is related to any of these people..that would be a 5th suspect related to a high judicial official....that makes a lot of pieces fit...if true.  No way to find out for sure...high official...leave Lorenzo alone...yep.  Of course, that makes Lorenzo back in the mix with Freddy again.   

[Lala'sMom]

Now, why are we talking about Steve's father?  I have lost the gist of this conversation. Sorry.

[MumInOhio]

Morning Lala's...I just saw that quote 'high ranking judicial' and another that said 'one is the son of a judge, the other the son of a lawyer'....here we go again!

Also, after reading a pile of DEA Caribbean News lately to see if anything would fit with the May 2005 timeline, I have been wondering just why only ALE were involved in the big bust last year.

Drugs are the purpose of the FPO,or so we are told. Wiretapping to do with drugs etc. So does all this info get fed to ALE?

Remember too that Lorenzo 'talked' to a judge and walked!

Got to think on all the Lorenzo/wiretapping possibilities for a bit...

[MumInOhio]

Anyone know the name of SGC's father?

Tick tock, the hammer & the block.


Fin

This was the first post I found on it....and it goes back to the time, Steve's arrest, when we thought Lorenzo could have been arrested...as I said...here we go again!

[Lala'sMom]

Morning Lala's...I just saw that quote 'high ranking judicial' and another that said 'one is the son of a judge, the other the son of a lawyer'....here we go again!

Also, after reading a pile of DEA Caribbean News lately to see if anything would fit with the May 2005 timeline, I have been wondering just why only ALE were involved in the big bust last year.

Drugs are the purpose of the FPO,or so we are told. Wiretapping to do with drugs etc. So does all this info get fed to ALE?

Remember too that Lorenzo 'talked' to a judge and walked!

Got to think on all the Lorenzo/wiretapping possibilities for a bit...

I was thinking the same thing...Lorenzo's being able to have a "private" meeting with a judge and then be released was a curious turn of events, but in light of the "high judicial official" it would make sense that given the corruption he would be let go.  A favor of sorts.  Wonder who the judge was that met with Lorenzo?  I have put in a few inquiries with some others...will see what turns up.   Since Steve is considered the 4th suspect we are again at that stage of Freddy or Lorenzo as the 5th.   

[MumInOhio]

I wish COLUMBO would chime in on how this would all fit. He believes Lorenzo is the other singing card. I did understand that much.

Paulus was never really a judge or was he? He was a lawyer....Help!!!!

[Lala'sMom]

Yes, I think Colombo does think Lorenzo is one of the singing cards.  I am still waiting for that one to play out.  I think he thinks Lorenzo was the card the Arawaks held and did not play.  Now, as usual, we are back to who are the Arawaks?   ALE or the Aruban people?  3 years and I am even less convinced.  Same with the Babylonians and Sumerian references.  It's all what you believe to be true...Shango without a codex is nothing. LOL


Oh Shango?? Please give us an audience. 

[Finbar]

Now, why are we talking about Steve's father?  I have lost the gist of this conversation. Sorry.

I dunno. Maybe a dead end.

It is just odd to me that the judges in this case come from Curacao. Maybe it is the norm. SGC's father there. Supposed to be a ranking official. I read a member of the judiciary. Maybe that info was not correct. I am just trying to tie it together, if it goes together.

There is a pic of SGC & JVDS. Claims to not know them. Provides an alibi that was a lie.

Besides the obvious, it is odd that all of these surrounding people committed crimes of obstruction and perjury and none are prosecuted for it. Maybe this angle should be pushed for Aruba's officials to explain.


Fin

[MumInOhio]

Hi Fin...Steve's reason for his arrest just doesn't make sense...there were a lot of posts at the time of another arrest, which officially didn't happen.

Most early posters believed this to be Lorenzo and also Max Arendz being bought in.

Last I checked, a few weeks back, with a very reliable SM poster Max is in the Netherlands.

This is why we have been trying to check on Lorenzo and the posts about a judge from Curacao. Jossy said van Gijn...the other papers said van Rijn...I have never seen so much mixing of names and I am sure it is intentional!

We were told that the judges were from there as they would be more impartial. Well Kermit's little list shows just the opposite!

[MumInOhio]

If we look at it as two separate stories...is it possible for Freddy to be Simian's 5th. suspect and for Lorenzo to be Shango's singing card?

I bet I've already asked this before....LOL

[Lala'sMom]

If we look at it as two separate stories...is it possible for Freddy to be Simian's 5th. suspect and for Lorenzo to be Shango's singing card?

I bet I've already asked this before....LOL

Of course. LOL  I can see that working.  Mum, do you still have the link to the 4th suspect and 5th suspect info that was released at the time?  The one that talks of which one of them was the son of a high ranking official?  We need to narrow that one down so we know which one of these guys we are looking at.  I am thinking if it says "son"  it would not be Lorenzo, since his father is dead...I know, I know. 

Most people do not want to separate Simian and Shango...since they would snipe at each other on occasion, but essentially there are two different stories.  One story concerns the information and happenings at the time and the other about the corruption.  They are different...any way you look at it...it is only when they talk to each other that you can confuse the two issues.  My opinion, which is basically useless at this point.

[MumInOhio]

If we look at it as two separate stories...is it possible for Freddy to be Simian's 5th. suspect and for Lorenzo to be Shango's singing card?

I bet I've already asked this before....LOL

Of course. LOL  I can see that working.  Mum, do you still have the link to the 4th suspect and 5th suspect info that was released at the time?  The one that talks of which one of them was the son of a high ranking official?  We need to narrow that one down so we know which one of these guys we are looking at.  I am thinking if it says "son"  it would not be Lorenzo, since his father is dead...I know, I know. 

Most people do not want to separate Simian and Shango...since they would snipe at each other on occasion, but essentially there are two different stories.  One story concerns the information and happenings at the time and the other about the corruption.  They are different...any way you look at it...it is only when they talk to each other that you can confuse the two issues.  My opinion, which is basically useless at this point.

Was it the Riehl World one? I think it was...will look really quick...

[JE]

From Kermit's post in the other thread:

"The justices on the Aruban bench:

mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005



The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas

@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005

## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices."

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46 sacrifices.

The judges serve three year contracts. Three years from 2005 would be now. A new(?) group of judges rotated in(unless they may serve more than once).

The 47th would break the cycle of conspiracy.

The conspiracy will then fall.

Judges....

The crooks, on Aruba or even in the United States, cannot flourish without corrupt lawyers and judges.

Look at all those businesses that people own there. They are washing machines.

Maybe PVDS is a lawyer for the dark side.

While I do not think drug trafficking is the answer that we seek, it is a piece of the puzzle. There are many pieces. All important.

We must shine a light on those that rule the night.

Why do the cowboys turn their heads? Me thinks the ABC's get their clothes washed there too. Easier than on the Hill.


Fin

looks like van der sloot is missing from the justices on the aruban bench

[MumInOhio]

JE......Very interesting...I wonder if a Judge in training would be included...and I wonder if Kermit would know...he is a very clever little frog...LOL

[JE]

JE......Very interesting...I wonder if a Judge in training would be included...and I wonder if Kermit would know...he is a very clever little frog...LOL

on this link

http://almanak.overheid.nl/2203/Lid/

he is mentioned as LID which means MEMBER
If you look at for example curacao you ll see that there is also a function of
PLAATSVERVANGEND LID = REPLACEMENT MEMBER
seems like he was a judge after all 

    * mw. mr. E.M.D. Angela
    * mw. mr. P. de Bruin
    * mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
    * mr. P.A.H. Lemaire
    * mr. P.A.J. van der Sloot
    * mr. C. Slothouber

[JE]

from this page
http://almanak.overheid.nl/2201.html
you can see the member of the bench for the other islands
i cant find a date for the document though

[MumInOhio]

Not what I was looking for...but couldn't resist because of the date and the poster....

January 11, 2008, 11:00:53 AM
From June 5th 2005….8.34AM …Arbeej

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=2244&page=6



quote:
"* One of the 3 original "persons of interest" is the son of a Judge on the island of Aruba..."

This was actually confirmed for us by an Aruban news reporter. He confirmed that one is the son of a judge, the other the son of a lawyer. It was not, however, clarified as to whether their Dads and the rest of the families live and work on Aruba. The three boys, though born in other countries, are legal residents of Aruba. I do not Know long they have lived there, but they are indeed legal residents.