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Lala'sMom
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Oh yes, the good old blue van with all the stuff painted on the side. I remember the first time it was posted on SM...caused quite a stir. Early posters on FP alluded to that van many times. I think some of the convo is posted somewhere in here. Maybe when we get that index finished we can put our hands on it quicker.
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Quote from: Blonde on March 04, 2008, 08:26:05 AM
Quote from: Blonde on March 04, 2008, 04:33:08 AM
His Uncle is Rufo Solognier retired ALE who he was living with.
The party boat that employs Croes docks near the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying.
Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer, described his nephew as a quiet divorced man with a 2-year-old son. Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.html
CNN spoke with his next-door neighbor, who identified himself as Rufo Solognier. He identified the person arrested as his nephew Steve Croes and described him as a quiet, divorced father of a 2-year-old son.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE: No, not for a week.
VAN SUSTEREN: What is your...
SOLOGNIER: My wife went to the courtroom this morning.
VAN SUSTEREN: Right. What did they say in court today?
SOLOGNIER: Nothing. Nothing. They can't say nothing. He can't speak to her.
VAN SUSTEREN: They won't let Steve Croes talk to his...
SOLOGNIER: No, nobody.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why not?
SOLOGNIER: I don't know. I have to ask the lawyer.
VAN SUSTEREN: Steve is not your son, he's your nephew, right?
SOLOGNIER: He's the nephew of my wife.
VAN SUSTEREN: Where is Steve's parents?
SOLOGNIER: In Curacao.
VAN SUSTEREN: And sorry, he lives next door with his grandmother?
SOLOGNIER: Grandmother, grandfather.
VAN SUSTEREN: With your wife's mother and father then?
SOLOGNIER: Yes, yes, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And his grandparents. Any idea
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html
all the info
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That picture above looks more like the Quincy guy than it does SC.......IMO. Any wonder for the confusion????//
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Quote from: bleachedblack on March 04, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
That picture above looks more like the Quincy guy than it does SC.......IMO. Any wonder for the confusion????//
They look alot alike..But that quincy guy has a big chin..MO
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 04, 2008, 11:10:02 AM
Now, why are we talking about Steve's father? I have lost the gist of this conversation. Sorry.
I think Steve Croes father is or was a musician on Curacao.
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Quote from: Magnolia on March 05, 2008, 01:35:55 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 04, 2008, 11:10:02 AM
Now, why are we talking about Steve's father? I have lost the gist of this conversation. Sorry.
I think Steve Croes father is or was a musician on Curacao.
I have heard the same also at the same time Amy Bradely became missing he was playing somewhere where she was.
a small group of us worked on this together help me here!
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I can't find my info name of the band Yellow Jackets? Yellow Hornets?
This was why I always thought SC was involved somehow.
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It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship
band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'
...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter).
http://www.amybradley.net/amy-story.htm
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Quote from: vms on March 05, 2008, 09:19:44 AM
It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship
band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'
...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter).
http://www.amybradley.net/amy-story.htm
And how does this connect Steve Croes father? What is his father's name? Anyone? What else do we have?
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2008, 10:30:39 AM
Quote from: vms on March 05, 2008, 09:19:44 AM
It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship
band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'
...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter).
http://www.amybradley.net/amy-story.htm
And how does this connect Steve Croes father? What is his father's name? Anyone? What else do we have?
I don't know how it would connect his father. Maybe the speculation started because of the confusion about the name of the band? The Yellow Jackets has/had a member by the name of Steve Croes.
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Quote from: vms on March 05, 2008, 10:35:27 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 05, 2008, 10:30:39 AM
Quote from: vms on March 05, 2008, 09:19:44 AM
It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship
band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'
...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter).
http://www.amybradley.net/amy-story.htm
And how does this connect Steve Croes father? What is his father's name? Anyone? What else do we have?
I don't know how it would connect his father. Maybe the speculation started because of the confusion about the name of the band? The Yellow Jackets has/had a member by the name of Steve Croes.
I see. Thanks. Now I am confused between Orchids and Yellow Jackets. LOL
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the Yellowjackets) highlights the talents of all, including bassist Jimmy Haslip with his Jaco Pastorius-like licks on the opener "Jacket Town," an exciting tune with Mintzer and Ford on the front-line. The nine tunes on this session (dedicated to Richard Tee) lean to the R&B side, with guests Robben Ford (guitar),
Steve Croes (synclavier),
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Maybe this one?
http://worldmusiccentral.org/artists/artist_page.php?id=2699
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=83776903
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Quote from: JE on March 05, 2008, 12:47:37 PM
Maybe this one?
http://worldmusiccentral.org/artists/artist_page.php?id=2699
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=83776903
I think the Dushi Band is well known. If Hildward was related, that fact would have come out immediately, IMO.
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Quote from: vms on March 05, 2008, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: JE on March 05, 2008, 12:47:37 PM
Maybe this one?
http://worldmusiccentral.org/artists/artist_page.php?id=2699
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=83776903
I think the Dushi Band is well known. If Hildward was related, that fact would have come out immediately, IMO.
You re probably right, but he's from 1962 so that could fit and the myspace pics of him show a resemblance to steve croes
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Did the Yellow Jackets "hit the jackpot?"
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Quote from: MumInOhio on March 04, 2008, 09:11:53 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 10, 2008, 11:40:19 AM
Mum this one is for you...
Deepak 6/10 PV:
To your question whether or not we pick up girls when we go for example to "Carlos & Charlies", I can state the following.
Yes, we from time to time pick up girls there.
To your question whether these are local girls or tourists, I can state the following.
They are tourists.
To your question as to who is the one
who makes the first move towards the girls
we are going to pick up, I can state the following. It usually is
Joran or another friend with the name Freddy Zedan.
Joran and Freddy are the two that work the tourists. Did someone say 5th suspect?
Still doing my homework assignment...LOL...and found this interesting in that Deepak was calling Freddy - Freddy Zedan this early in the case.
Would someone please look at the famous pic on page 80 and see if they think Freddy could be either Greek or Middle Eastern....Arambatzis-Greek...Zedan-Middle Eastern....only one Arambatzis found in Venezuela and NO Zedans in Aruba or Venezuela....Note to self...LOL...the Arends name didn't stick for long!
Joran over stresses in his book that Freddy only spoke Pap...no Dutch.
Too many names and too much mystery surrounds Freddy, including sneaking him out the back door when he was released, I need to find out more about Freddy!
I believe there may well be a mid eastern link somehow, as well. It may be on the peripheries of this case, but there. Freddy as well as Depak and Satish look mid- eastern. In fact the bros are from Suriname where the people are of mis-eastern origin. These people are gaining a toe hold through secrete organizations such as the Lion (Lyons) or whatever secrete organizations. The Lions per se would not be originally set up for that (I hope) but due to their secretive nature, it is evidentally a good place for them. I am thinking here the more extremist groups use unsuspecting members to send and receive information in such a manner as to prohibit everyone knowing about it. Over the years, from what I have been made to understand that membership in some of these older organizations has declined and new membership is not so particular in who they bring in. It would depend upon the agenda of the local chapters of this, I would say and if they are promoted they would go district and later on to headquarters.
Over the years they have tried to associate themselves with Presidents on down the political latter. Many upright citizens have joined but go only so far, to the first 2 or three levels where the real action is NOT. Some have been given a high order membership just because their name makes the organizations look and smell legit. That is not to say the participant is participating. There have been US presidents associated with on campus organizations who later call on them. Many people who join go inactive, but their names are still on the roll. j/b
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Quote from: vms on March 04, 2008, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: Finbar on March 04, 2008, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 04, 2008, 11:10:02 AM
Now, why are we talking about Steve's father? I have lost the gist of this conversation. Sorry.
I dunno. Maybe a dead end.
It is just odd to me that the judges in this case come from Curacao. Maybe it is the norm. SGC's father there. Supposed to be a ranking official. I read a member of the judiciary. Maybe that info was not correct. I am just trying to tie it together, if it goes together.
There is a pic of SGC & JVDS. Claims to not know them. Provides an alibi that was a lie.
Besides the obvious, it is odd that all of these surrounding people committed crimes of obstruction and perjury and none are prosecuted for it. Maybe this angle should be pushed for Aruba's officials to explain.
Fin
Do you have this picture, Fin?
I do not recall ever seeing one with the two of them together.
Palus Vandersloot has played music with Steve Croes father. Both are instrument players. They all know one another. Also Steve Croes is a good party friend (at least) with Geoffrey Cromvroit. His father was also a policeman for either 12 or 18 years. There is a picture of GCV in the home of Vandersloots with the family watching tv it appears. He was younger.
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Quote from: Finbar on March 03, 2008, 11:28:36 PM
Anyone know the name of SGC's father?
Tick tock, the hammer & the block.
Fin
Also I wonder if this uncle of S croes is Steves mother's
brother
as the Uncle (I guess it is the Uncle, or dad even) in the car when Greta interviewed Croes looks a lot like Bill Cromvroit's picture when he was younger or at least the one posted on the I-net that may have been taken from ID when he was active as a cop or Security. He has short grey hair now, I think and has gained up some weight from the shot I saw of him with GVC's mom walking towards their house. Steve and GVC are good friends. Wonder if they are cousins from Steve's mother's side? Steve Croes dad and Joran's dad know each other as they have played music together. Croes father was a musician on the ship where Amy Bradly disappeard (if at the time of Bradley I do not know for sure.) He plays guitar and Palus plays some type of horn or wind instrument at the least. He is supposed to play music as a hobby though. I believe he has other, more dangerous hobbies as well from the way it is looking. jack b
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Quote from: jackb on March 05, 2008, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: Finbar on March 03, 2008, 11:28:36 PM
Anyone know the name of SGC's father?
Tick tock, the hammer & the block.
Fin
Also I wonder if this uncle of S croes is Steves mother's
brother
as the Uncle (I guess it is the Uncle, or dad even) in the car when Greta interviewed Croes looks a lot like Bill Cromvroit's picture when he was younger or at least the one posted on the I-net that may have been taken from ID when he was active as a cop or Security. He has short grey hair now, I think and has gained up some weight from the shot I saw of him with GVC's mom walking towards their house. Steve and GVC are good friends. Wonder if they are cousins from Steve's mother's side? Steve Croes dad and Joran's dad know each other as they have played music together. Croes father was a musician on the ship where Amy Bradly disappeard (if at the time of Bradley I do not know for sure.) He plays guitar and Palus plays some type of horn or wind instrument at the least. He is supposed to play music as a hobby though. I believe he has other, more dangerous hobbies as well from the way it is looking. jack b
What is the name of Steve's father then?
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===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
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