SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Finbar]

Now, why are we talking about Steve's father?  I have lost the gist of this conversation. Sorry.

I dunno. Maybe a dead end.

It is just odd to me that the judges in this case come from Curacao. Maybe it is the norm. SGC's father there. Supposed to be a ranking official. I read a member of the judiciary. Maybe that info was not correct. I am just trying to tie it together, if it goes together.

There is a pic of SGC & JVDS. Claims to not know them. Provides an alibi that was a lie.

Besides the obvious, it is odd that all of these surrounding people committed crimes of obstruction and perjury and none are prosecuted for it. Maybe this angle should be pushed for Aruba's officials to explain.


Fin

Do you have this picture, Fin?
I do not recall ever seeing one with the two of them together.

Palus Vandersloot has played music with Steve Croes father.  Both are instrument players.  They all know one another.  Also Steve Croes is a good party friend (at least) with Geoffrey Cromvroit.  His father was also a policeman for either 12 or 18 years.  There is a picture of GCV in the home of Vandersloots with the family watching tv it appears.  He was younger.
         Jack b

Yeah, Quincy. That is why I was never asked about ID'ing pics. I stinky at it. lol.


Jack,

Nice one!

"Who else plays in the band?"

So, if they played in the band together, there might be a pic of them somewhere.

This thing has more actors than a bad Italian opera.


Fin

[Blonde]

 Hildward Croes ????

[Blonde]

 Wanted for Questions for Amy Bradley

[vms]

Thanks Bleached,

That is the pic I remember. I have not seen that pic in a long time, from a different beach. I think a mole or two might have seen it though.


Fin

A mole? Where?

[Blonde]

About Hildward Croes
..



Born on the Caribbean island of Aruba on a 7th of September, Hildward Croes comes from a family of deep musical roots. His mother Ada is a singer and his father Maiky is a musician, singer, and choir director of their hometown church of Santa Cruz.

At an early age Mr. and Mrs. Croes encouraged their four sons to participate in the church choir on Sundays. This has been an important musical influence on the entire Croes family.

Since little Hildward was performing with different youth groups. A music-lover since birth, Hildward started playing the piano at home with the help of his father at the age of 8. After a few years playing by ear, Hildward began taking piano lessons with various music teachers on the island.

While forming part of the band that accompanied their church choir, Hildward and his brother Michael were invited to start the band Cryptus Confession. Cryptus quickly became one of the most popular pop-rock bands of Aruba, recording their number 1 hit: "Love Dream", part of a successful album of Hildward's original compositions. The album was recorded at Criteria Studios, Miami (studio famous in those days for recordings of The Bee Gees, Elton John, and The Eagles' Hotel California). With Cryptus Confession, Hildward toured Venezuela, South America, and other Caribbean islands extensively.

Croes received a scholarship from the Arubian government to study music at the renowned Berklee College of Music in Boston. While in Boston he received regular invitations to participate in recordings and to perform in concerts and recitals. He finished his bachelors degree in professional music and continued his post-graduate studies at Bowling Green State University, in Ohio. Hildward returned to Aruba with a master of music degree and became one of the most sought after arrangers and producers of the area. He produced numerous hits for artists and groups in Aruba, Curacao, and other Caribbean islands.

After he was comissioned to produce an album of Caribbean music for the record label Sonografica in Caracas, Venezuela, Hildward got noticed by the "merengue-king": Wilfrido Vargas. Vargas immediately signed him to be a part of his orchestra and produce records for his corporation. Hildward toured Europe, North, Central and South America with the Wilfrido Vargas orchestra playing keyboards and programming computer sequences for the live shows. During this time Croes also arranged and produced for many successful Latin American acts such as Las Chicas Del Can, Altamira Banda Show, Mandarina, Eddy Herrera, Roy Tavare, Micky Taveras, and of course Wilfrido Vargas.

Hildward earned an American Grammy Award nomination in the Latin-Tropical category for his work on the album Animacion by Wilfrido Vargas, which he co-produced. The same year he won first prize in the international competition of arrangements of the world-popular hit-song of that time: Lambada, which he arranged and produced for the popular ladies-group: Las Chicas Del Can.

Soon Croes got noticed by the world-famous latin singer-songwriter Juan Luis Guerra and was approached to be a part of his orchestra. For 5 years Hildward toured the world performing sold-out concerts playing keyboards and programming computer sequences for Juan Luis Guerra & 4.40.

Hildward Croes was awarded prestigious prizes and recognitions in his native Aruba on numerous occasions. Awards such as 'arranger of the year', 'musician of the year', 'music-man of the year', etc. He was awarded 'musician of the decade' and received the distinguished honor of being named 'man of the year' by the local press.

After Juan Luis Guerra retired from the music scene for a few years in the mid 1990s, Croes chose to return to his native Aruba, where he was once again one of the most popular producers on the island, as well as a regular performer in local shows, night-clubs, hotels and casinos.

In 1997 Hildward received a call from his old friend Chichi Peralta who invited him to be a part of his then newly formed project: Son Familia. He met and established a strong friendship with Chichi Peralta who was one of the main percussionist of Juan Luis Guerra & 4.40. With Chichi Peralta + Son Familia he was once again touring the world playing sold-out concert halls and stadiums.

In 1999 Croes participated extensively as an advisor, arranger, keyboardist, and music calligrapher in the production of the CD: De Vuelta Al Barrio, which earned them a Latin Grammy Award for best merengue album in 2001. The live CD/DVD release En Vivo by Chichi Peralta became a huge success in France and other parts of Europe. Croes made musical arrangements and played the accordion, piano, and keyboards on Chichi Peralta's latest release: Mas Que Suficiente, which again earned them a Latin Grammy nomination in 2006.

Hildward directs and writes for his own Dushi Band which has become one of the most popular local bands especially during the carnival festivities producing hit songs year after year and winning music festivals on many occasions. He also plays the accordion with Grupo Di Betico; a typical acoustic folkloric music group formed by Croes' family members that performs regularly at the end of each year during the holiday season. While on Aruba, he can be found playing his heart out with local bands such as JEMM (Funk, Rock), Antonio Bello Blues (Blues, Rock), Soul Cowboy (Nu-Jazz, Fusion), Roots Rebels (Reggae), and others.

Croes directs show and special event orchestras and has his own production company where he continues to produce music for film, TV, radio ads, jingles, as well as CDs for artists around the Caribbean and South America out of his home-studio: Vanilla Kingdom. He recently wrote Rumba Aruba for the Aruba Tourism Authority's international ad campaign, and won the 2007 Aruba Carnival Roadmarch Festival with the song: Music (Music is we language!).

In his free time Hildward chooses to enjoy watersports in the Caribbean sun and relaxes on the white sandy beaches of his native Aruba.

At the end of 2007 Hildward Croes once again received the distinguished recognition of "Artist Of The Year" by the local media.

HILDWARD CROES' RUMBA ARUBA

 
 

[bleachedblack]

Anyone know the name of SGC's father?

Tick tock, the hammer & the block.


Fin

Also I wonder if this uncle of S croes is Steves mother's brother as the Uncle (I guess it is the Uncle, or dad even) in the car when Greta interviewed Croes looks a lot like Bill Cromvroit's  picture when he was younger or at least the one posted on the I-net that may have been taken from ID when he was active as a cop or Security.  He has short grey hair now, I think and has gained up some weight from the shot I saw of him with GVC's mom walking towards their house. Steve and GVC are good friends.  Wonder if they are cousins from Steve's mother's side?  Steve Croes dad and Joran's dad know each other as they have played music together.  Croes father was a musician on the ship where Amy Bradly disappeard (if at the time of Bradley I do not know for sure.)  He plays guitar and Palus plays some type of horn or wind instrument at the least.  He is supposed to play music as a hobby though.  I believe he has other, more dangerous hobbies as  well from the way it is looking.       jack b

It is Steve Croes uncle in the car with him when Greta does her brief interview.

[FaithMS]

Anyone know the name of SGC's father?

Tick tock, the hammer & the block.


Fin

Also I wonder if this uncle of S croes is Steves mother's brother as the Uncle (I guess it is the Uncle, or dad even) in the car when Greta interviewed Croes looks a lot like Bill Cromvroit's  picture when he was younger or at least the one posted on the I-net that may have been taken from ID when he was active as a cop or Security.  He has short grey hair now, I think and has gained up some weight from the shot I saw of him with GVC's mom walking towards their house. Steve and GVC are good friends.  Wonder if they are cousins from Steve's mother's side?  Steve Croes dad and Joran's dad know each other as they have played music together.  Croes father was a musician on the ship where Amy Bradly disappeard (if at the time of Bradley I do not know for sure.)  He plays guitar and Palus plays some type of horn or wind instrument at the least.  He is supposed to play music as a hobby though.  I believe he has other, more dangerous hobbies as  well from the way it is looking.       jack b

It is Steve Croes uncle in the car with him when Greta does her brief interview.

[Observer]

He lies through his teeth again here when he says he doesn't know Deepak. We know Deepak said in three other statements that he is friends with Steve Croes. He even has his cell phone number as he says in the Skeeters tape.

[Blonde]

Anyone remember SC's Mother didn't she  live in CURACAO

[Blonde]

Thanks Bleached,

That is the pic I remember. I have not seen that pic in a long time, from a different beach. I think a mole or two might have seen it though.


Fin

A mole? Where?

Fin you been a sleep for too long

[vms]

Anyone remember SC's Mother didn't she  live in CURACAO

IMOLDA STATIA SALIANA

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/27/ltm.05.html

[Blonde]

Thank You VMS

CNN spoke with his next-door neighbor, who identified himself as Rufo Solognier. He identified the person arrested as his nephew Steve Croes and described him as a quiet, divorced father of a 2-year-old son.
   
Croes' boss on the Tattoo cruise ship, Marcus Williams, told CNN the boat generally does not go out on Sunday nights.

Even when the boat does go out on Sundays, it returns by midnight, Williams said.

The boat docks about 300 meters, or about 1,000 feet, from the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying.



http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html?iref=newssearch

[finngirl]

JMO

but I think simian's:
the music man's song was not on the bill

referenced only 2 things:
Croes being a DJ and "singing" an alibi

shango's first post:
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian....

was a follow-up to simian's musical metaphor
and the set-up for shango's musical metaphors to follow:

singing cards
singing beetles
follow the music
the poison song
fallen judge sings any tune
sing for his son
cowboys won't hear the music
etc

this came just 2.5 hours into shango's 5-day posting history:

The simplicity of Occam's Razor is often outweighed
by the complexity of maintaining factors in an elemental state 

= keep theories simple, even though it is hard to do so
and tempting to do otherwise ... again, JMHO

 

[finngirl]

IMOLDA STATIA SALIANA
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/27/ltm.05.html

LAWRENCE: Steve Croes was still handcuffed Sunday, but he was all smiles, knowing the judge had ordered his release, too. Croes is a deejay on a party boat that docks near the hotel where Natalee was staying.

His mother cried when she heard the news, but wasn't surprised.

QUESTION: Do you think he's innocent?

IMOLDA STATIA SALIANA, STEVE CROES' MOTHER: Of course. I'm sure.


 

[Lala'sMom]

Now, why are we talking about Steve's father?  I have lost the gist of this conversation. Sorry.

I dunno. Maybe a dead end.

It is just odd to me that the judges in this case come from Curacao. Maybe it is the norm. SGC's father there. Supposed to be a ranking official. I read a member of the judiciary. Maybe that info was not correct. I am just trying to tie it together, if it goes together.

There is a pic of SGC & JVDS. Claims to not know them. Provides an alibi that was a lie.

Besides the obvious, it is odd that all of these surrounding people committed crimes of obstruction and perjury and none are prosecuted for it. Maybe this angle should be pushed for Aruba's officials to explain.


Fin

Do you have this picture, Fin?
I do not recall ever seeing one with the two of them together.

Palus Vandersloot has played music with Steve Croes father.  Both are instrument players.  They all know one another.  Also Steve Croes is a good party friend (at least) with Geoffrey Cromvroit.  His father was also a policeman for either 12 or 18 years.  There is a picture of GCV in the home of Vandersloots with the family watching tv it appears.  He was younger.
         Jack b

Do you have a link for this information?  It would be nice to have proof that this is true. How do we know he and Paulus were friends?  I guess what I need is proof that this Hildward fellow is indeed Steve's father. Why didn't he show his face when Steve was arrested?  Why didn't he support his son? 

Also, where is this photo?  I would love to see it since GVC claims he did not know Joran.  TIA.

[Lala'sMom]

Hildward Croes ????

I don't think this guy resembles Steve Croes...his uncle looks more like Steve than this man.  But then again I don't do well with photos unless they are side by side.

[Finbar]

Anyone know the name of SGC's father?

Tick tock, the hammer & the block.


Fin

Also I wonder if this uncle of S croes is Steves mother's brother as the Uncle (I guess it is the Uncle, or dad even) in the car when Greta interviewed Croes looks a lot like Bill Cromvroit's  picture when he was younger or at least the one posted on the I-net that may have been taken from ID when he was active as a cop or Security.  He has short grey hair now, I think and has gained up some weight from the shot I saw of him with GVC's mom walking towards their house. Steve and GVC are good friends.  Wonder if they are cousins from Steve's mother's side?  Steve Croes dad and Joran's dad know each other as they have played music together.  Croes father was a musician on the ship where Amy Bradly disappeard (if at the time of Bradley I do not know for sure.)  He plays guitar and Palus plays some type of horn or wind instrument at the least.  He is supposed to play music as a hobby though.  I believe he has other, more dangerous hobbies as  well from the way it is looking.       jack b

It is Steve Croes uncle in the car with him when Greta does her brief interview.

Is the second pic cropped? I would love to see more of the left part if it is.

Notice they both have that same deformed looking ear curl going inwards toward the ear canal - proper.

That is an inherited trait.

Maybe papa Crow has it too.

Follow the ear lobes....


Fin

P.S. Hey Faith

[finngirl]

de moeder van Lorenzo

De moeder van Lorenzo, Astrid van Rijn, actief is als poster op een aantal websites (als SandraK en Keywest). Zij gaf onlangs aan dat ze op goede voet staat met Robin Holloway, de vrouw van Dave Holloway. Dit is natuurlijk pikant, nu de ex vriendin van Lorenzo van Rijn zijn alibi op 30 mei 2005 intrekt

I don't need a translator for this post 

If true -- that would explain a LOT.

Klaas would disagree with that for sure! SandraK says she is from Michigan She is a crazy lady but has had this unique interest in Lorenzo and has since the beginning..The other day HannieC asked Glenda twice about Lorenzo's GF withdrawing his alibi the night Natalee went missing. She never answered him.

(Translation)
The mother of Lorenzo, Astrid van Rijn, operates as a poster on a number of websites (as SandraK and Keywest). She said recently that she is on good footing with Robin Holloway, the wife of Dave Holloway. Of course, this is spicy, now that the former girlfriend of Lorenzo van Rijn withdrew her  alibi on May 30, 2005

summer 2005 from sandraK:

6-18-05 Maybe if we have more LvR info in one place we can decide what we know/don't know. Seems understandable that we would be curious about him, as we would be about anyone whose property was searched by ALE, which some posters insist is fact. We know very little re description, age, which pic is/isn't him, etc. There is little info & much of what we have conflicts w/ what we've seen/read in news converage.

here?  http://album.pancayente.com/displayimage.php?album=19&pos=43

NO... rest, dear.

7-31-05 here?
NOT STEVE..NO.. and not Lorenzo..He near 30..LOL

7-31-05 THE "Lorenzo".. Is thin faced and has a Shaved Head..LMAO..& is 27!!!

7-31-05 can someone give me 1, ONE good reason why Lorenzo has attained a God-like status?
I'm clueless, as he has nothing to do with this case.

7-31-05 here? http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=vH-TivODO3rP_OLy
Not the one you Thinking of.. this is just a kid..

7-31-05 Has anyone wondered if perhaps the guy/witness who was a daily fixture at the beach, but who is now vanished, is Lorenzo? Maybe that's the puzzle piece. He was questioned as a witness early in all of this; is he missing now?  Maybe Lorenzo isn't a culprit, and that's why we couldn't fit him into the puzzle at first. Maybe he was a RELIABLE witness who actually saw something.....and maybe he's a missing beach bum, and that's why we couldn't find anything on him. Is that plausible?)
Lorenzo is alive and well, the ALE payed him a visit on a "TIP" .. and seached his place, dogs & all... He had nothing to do with the case.

8-1-05 Honestly, I am beginning to wonder what part of "NO BODY - NO CASE" the people searching for Natalee on that island, do NOT understand? PVDS was very emphatic when he said "NO BODY." If her body was taken off the island to dump they had to have access to a boat. That leads me to Croes or Lorenzo. Does anyone know why Lorenzo was one of the first ones the ALE interviewed?)
WHO told you That???

8-2-05 What happened to the reports she had once been kept at Van Rijn's?)
Stop with the Lorenzo..LOL!!  He realy has nothing to do with this case.. a "Tip" *maybe from a Monkey* had LE dogs and all @ him home and Nothing and No ties to anyone...

8-2-05 Lorenzo was born in Holland

8-2-05 WHY was he brought in for questioning about this case? WHY is he so elusive?
he has Nothing to do with this case.. LE went there on a"TIP" found Nothing..

8-4-05 If I say Lorenzo, will you be mad?
VERY

8-4-05 Lorenzo is involved I think.
STOP with Lorenzo... OK       He Doesn't hang around with "Teenie Boppers"

8-5-05 because, i have heard for awhile now, that Mr Pink is Lorenzo, and supposedly rumor has it that Lorenzo is paulus son
NO...NO..& NO Mr Pink is Paul Bourhs(sp) and lives in Michigan...

8-21-05 Lorenzo V R 's home had been seached...He has Nothing to do with this Case. We now have a new Lorenzo (wever) enter to picture.. he has returned to Holland. right after Nalalee went missing ... and has been questioned a few times.. his dad is a Big wig in a Politic Party!

8-21-05 we are still in mass confusion about Lorenzos. Lorenzo Wever is the older guy with the 2 houses, one possibly "rave party" site. Lorenzo Van Rijn is Joran's classmate. Is that correct?
Lorenzo VR is like 27! and long out of school.& Has the Big old House !! your thinking of MAX Arends I bet..he went to school with Joran and Maybe the one that spent the night?! He was called in for Questioning the same day SteveO was arrested!! This Wever dude worked @ a casino

8-21-05 I'm interested in this as the VdS/K2 homes weren't searched until 16 days after the disappearance & 6 days after their detainments. It was reported that LvR was questioned & that makes sense if he is a friend of JvdS, I'm sure many friends were questioned. But an actual search sounds like upping the ante quite a bit, no? Any idea on what basis a search was done? And when?
He does NOT Know Him..but a "TIP" was called in..

8-21-05 I agree..not the same person. But, I also don't understand this "Lorenzo is 27" stuff. My son is 30 and doesn't look any older than Jaime
He has some very Cute friends  But it is a common name in the world.. true. He is a Non person is this..IMHO

8-21-05 please tell me the origin of the "Lorenzo" question, I have heard it often and assume it started on late night scared monkeys, have been hesitant to ask
PM me.. I no not want trouble

8-21-05 trouble from Lorenzo?!
From anyone   
 
8-21-05 Can someone please tell me what Lorenzo has to do with this case? I'm starting to feel sorry for the poor guy.
Me,too... The ALE found he had Nothing to do with this case.. After seaching his home, dogs and everything!!! all on a "Tip"

8-22-05 They have questioned friends, such as Max Arendsz and Lorenzo van Rijn, and I believe one other guy was questioned for sure, as I believe a few girlfriends. DIARIO wants those pictures.
Max was in de Cop shop the same day SteveO was taken in for his extended Vacation. Max was the over night Vistor @ joran's pad on night of Joran's C& C night on the Town

8-27-05 how about a brief desciption on what Lorenzo looks like. Approx height, weight, eye color, hair color, age, any distinguishing marks, tattoos, scars, married, single
slowly... He is no friend of mine... !!

8-27-05 thought someone said he was tall and bald???
That's a Hoot... where did you hear that???

after the list above was posted:
Do you realy copy,count, read, and think about every Post I ever made
This site just hit 3 million people..

I didn't identify them as your posts

Do you realy copy,count, read,and think about every Post I ever  made
This site just hit 3 million people..

Good point, and with over THREE MILLION visitors, you are the only poster who expressed glee & delight when Steve Croes was released, referring to him as "baby" -- and when asked about this, repetitively by other posters, you never explained.

I find it very disingenuous that, after seeing you questioned ALL THE TIME over in Lively Case Discussion, again & again & again & again, that you are acting "surprised" over here.

Frankly, I personally don't care about your relationships with any of the perpetrators, or whether you don't have any relationships with them.

And, SandraK, I don't mean any harm in asking you questions, but you bring up the topics yourself, by leading us to believe that you know these people (Steve, LVR).  Then, you don't respond to our questions.  If you don't want to be questioned, stick back and don't post about them.  You somehow claim to know them, so of course people will ask questions.

summer 2005/no date available:

here it is...name deleted to protect his idenity....

My counterpart with the local Police told me what they "did" to Lorenzo and he is confident that Lorenzo had nothing to do with the case. According to him Lorenzo was crying like a baby. They stripped his house, cars and boats apart, piece by piece. Other than that he also has an alibi corroborated by three friends who spent the night with him. That alibi does not include his girlfriend who reportedly was with him and the friends too. The other house is his mother's. He is quite the eccentric and "everybody" in Aruba knows he has that nightclub in the basement.

On the Rob post. About Lorenzo being cleared? No, not really, actually. As far as I know, he's not cleared.

maybe hes wrong, i trust him to tell me the truth....he has no reason to lie... it might be one of those things, your always a suspect until YOU can prove your not.....

In fact his is the first name I heard connected to this case....

summer 2005/no date available:
sandraK: Lorenzo's Dad had a VW Dealership.. He is dead.sadly..He runs with. Max Arendsz & Orlando Bello  From the Aruba Speed Shop...A Kinda Strange Dude.. but harmless...  SM's think he has something to do with this.. Cops Been all over him.. He's not involved...

MisGivings: Is this the 'rave' guy? And, wasn't some of Natalee's clothing found in his basement?

sandraK: No clothes were found...!! Nothing

jozee: SandraK, So Lorenzo runs with the guys from the Speed Shop?? I thought Peeps said he only met him once??

sandraK: and ???

jozee: ...and back at ya...if he met him once how does he run with them?

sandraK: I didn't know Peeps was Max Arendsz....I'm Sorry.   

jozee: SandraK, I don't believe he is Max...if you are to believe what he says they are best friends...just do a search on Peeps posts and you can see for yourself. He came here after a bunch of Monkeys hit on the speed shop during research. I don't know if he posts anymore....

sandraK: WE  PM 

[FaithMS]

Anyone know the name of SGC's father?

Tick tock, the hammer & the block.


Fin

Also I wonder if this uncle of S croes is Steves mother's brother as the Uncle (I guess it is the Uncle, or dad even) in the car when Greta interviewed Croes looks a lot like Bill Cromvroit's  picture when he was younger or at least the one posted on the I-net that may have been taken from ID when he was active as a cop or Security.  He has short grey hair now, I think and has gained up some weight from the shot I saw of him with GVC's mom walking towards their house. Steve and GVC are good friends.  Wonder if they are cousins from Steve's mother's side?  Steve Croes dad and Joran's dad know each other as they have played music together.  Croes father was a musician on the ship where Amy Bradly disappeard (if at the time of Bradley I do not know for sure.)  He plays guitar and Palus plays some type of horn or wind instrument at the least.  He is supposed to play music as a hobby though.  I believe he has other, more dangerous hobbies as  well from the way it is looking.       jack b

It is Steve Croes uncle in the car with him when Greta does her brief interview.

Is the second pic cropped? I would love to see more of the left part if it is.

Notice they both have that same deformed looking ear curl going inwards toward the ear canal - proper.

That is an inherited trait.

Maybe papa Crow has it too.

Follow the ear lobes....


Fin

P.S. Hey Faith

Hi Fin , I took those screenshots from the video.

My notes say:

June 28th, 2005
Steven Croes Talks to Greta

The link I have no longer works.

[jackb]

Now, why are we talking about Steve's father?  I have lost the gist of this conversation. Sorry.

I dunno. Maybe a dead end.

It is just odd to me that the judges in this case come from Curacao. Maybe it is the norm. SGC's father there. Supposed to be a ranking official. I read a member of the judiciary. Maybe that info was not correct. I am just trying to tie it together, if it goes together.

There is a pic of SGC & JVDS. Claims to not know them. Provides an alibi that was a lie.

Besides the obvious, it is odd that all of these surrounding people committed crimes of obstruction and perjury and none are prosecuted for it. Maybe this angle should be pushed for Aruba's officials to explain.


Fin

Do you have this picture, Fin?
I do not recall ever seeing one with the two of them together.

Palus Vandersloot has played music with Steve Croes father.  Both are instrument players.  They all know one another.  Also Steve Croes is a good party friend (at least) with Geoffrey Cromvroit.  His father was also a policeman for either 12 or 18 years.  There is a picture of GCV in the home of Vandersloots with the family watching tv it appears.  He was younger.
         Jack b

Do you have a link for this information?  It would be nice to have proof that this is true. How do we know he and Paulus were friends?  I guess what I need is proof that this Hildward fellow is indeed Steve's father. Why didn't he show his face when Steve was arrested?  Why didn't he support his son? 

Also, where is this photo?  I would love to see it since GVC claims he did not know Joran.  TIA.

Klass them both.  I do not post pics in photo bucket as I do not want users in my computer.  I have too much information that I try to transfer to outside storages, but sometimes get behind the 9-ball on it. I send all my pictures out by e-mail so as to limit the possibilities of them getting all over the i-net.  Also there are pictures of Cromvroit partying with Steve Croes.  In the event Klass does not have these tell her to let me know and I will send them to her again.   Jack b