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His lordship is there to preserve babylon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA
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"Kristen"
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html
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Quote from: COLOMBO on March 12, 2008, 08:39:21 PM
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA
Not buying it, Columbo. His Lordship ain't no Joe Pesci type. His Lordship does not get his own hands dirty. He let's Dirty Hand do that.
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on March 12, 2008, 07:44:01 PM
I have a question for all those who have worked so hard to decipher the Simian posts. If we feel pretty confident the Simian's info came from ALE should we trust anything he/she posted that wasn't verified by the press releases? I mean, I never felt like ALE was very upfront about anything. Would it make sense for someone connected to ALE to give out this kind of info when everyone knew about the blogs and ALE could read them as well?
I'm just asking because at one point this thing about the fifth suspect would seem to be about whoever ALE wanted to be guilty, but could never prove it. After that they went on to arrest many others that were never held for very long. If ALE was seriously trying to prove that the "5th" suspect was guilty they didn't seem to be doing much to keep him locked up.
Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone, but this thought has been nagging at me for a while now.
Very good point! I don't think anyone trusts what Simian/Merian/Shango/Shock/Checkme or any of the others say completely. In fact, we should look at a lot of others posts that were made in those first few weeks. There are some posters that had some pretty good info but didn't have the cool names or spoke in cryptic riddles.
One reason I would like to know who the 5th suspect actually is would be to deteremine what real worth Simian's posts are...they could all be a bunch of nothing. If you trust what Checkme said (another Aruban poster) Simian knew nothing of importance. One thing I would point out, Simian made every effort to distance Joran from the crime. He only comes close to saying anything negative when he poses as Merian and even then if you read it over and over you can see Merian seemed to change attitudes as if there was a doppleganger Merian also. So it's mainly what ever you want to think...or speculate...but you are correct...Simian did not implicate Joran...and neither does Shango. That is why another person comes into play here...not just the 3 perps...there is more involvement...either from someone we can't discover....or...Paulus is just as...if not more...guilty than Joran of what happened to Natalee.
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on March 12, 2008, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on March 12, 2008, 08:39:21 PM
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA
Not buying it, Columbo. His Lordship ain't no Joe Pesci type. His Lordship does not get his own hands dirty. He let's Dirty Hand do that.
more like the type in the post before pesci?
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 12, 2008, 09:06:55 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on March 12, 2008, 07:44:01 PM
I have a question for all those who have worked so hard to decipher the Simian posts. If we feel pretty confident the Simian's info came from ALE should we trust anything he/she posted that wasn't verified by the press releases? I mean, I never felt like ALE was very upfront about anything. Would it make sense for someone connected to ALE to give out this kind of info when everyone knew about the blogs and ALE could read them as well?
I'm just asking because at one point this thing about the fifth suspect would seem to be about whoever ALE wanted to be guilty, but could never prove it. After that they went on to arrest many others that were never held for very long. If ALE was seriously trying to prove that the "5th" suspect was guilty they didn't seem to be doing much to keep him locked up.
Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone, but this thought has been nagging at me for a while now.
Very good point! I don't think anyone trusts what Simian/Merian/Shango/Shock/Checkme or any of the others say completely. In fact, we should look at a lot of others posts that were made in those first few weeks. There are some posters that had some pretty good info but didn't have the cool names or spoke in cryptic riddles.
One reason I would like to know who the 5th suspect actually is would be to deteremine what real worth Simian's posts are...they could all be a bunch of nothing. If you trust what Checkme said (another Aruban poster) Simian knew nothing of importance. One thing I would point out, Simian made every effort to distance Joran from the crime. He only comes close to saying anything negative when he poses as Merian and even then if you read it over and over you can see Merian seemed to change attitudes as if there was a doppleganger Merian also. So it's mainly what ever you want to think...or speculate...but you are correct...Simian did not implicate Joran...and neither does Shango. That is why another person comes into play here...not just the 3 perps...there is more involvement...either from someone we can't discover....or...Paulus is just as...if not more...guilty than Joran of what happened to Natalee.
alot of the singing beetles transcripts had things in the S/S quatrains......5th suspect was in the headlines the following news cycle.....I'm sure others could add to that
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TS2:
this is how babylon is preserved:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRK-CQVQevQ
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So who is his lordship? Depends on what you think babylon means...if you think it means gamblers...as Simian said...then it is different answer from what it would be if babylon means the Dutch...so who is it? Anyone want to venture a guess....by offering a name?
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second article:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=posner+video
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!
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Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
Windows
looking onto Babylon
are being opened by the ThreadSurfers
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl.
She spent her nights at their tables.
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.
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Quote from: COLOMBO on March 12, 2008, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on March 12, 2008, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on March 12, 2008, 08:39:21 PM
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA
Not buying it, Columbo. His Lordship ain't no Joe Pesci type. His Lordship does not get his own hands dirty. He let's Dirty Hand do that.
more like the type in the post before pesci?
Maybe.
His Lordship, I believe, is in a government position.
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on March 12, 2008, 07:44:01 PM
I have a question for all those who have worked so hard to decipher the Simian posts. If we feel pretty confident the Simian's info came from ALE should we trust anything he/she posted that wasn't verified by the press releases?
LOL, we all gotta decide that for ourselves, depending on the circumstances. some verifications may have happened behind the scenes/never reaching the press/media. example: sim's post re an argument between JvdS/K2 ... "you made me lie" etc ... was verified much later when the polis van transcript was released. the post date matched the date of convo. if transcript had never been released we wouldn't have had verification ... therefore the truth of the post would've remained behind the scenes.
I mean, I never felt like ALE was very upfront about anything. Would it make sense for someone connected to ALE to give out this kind of info when everyone knew about the blogs and ALE could read them as well?
perhaps sim was over-confident re being out-ed ... or over-estimated depth of her altitude below the radar
I'm just asking because at one point this thing about the fifth suspect would seem to be about whoever ALE wanted to be guilty, but could never prove it.
could also be "whoever ALE
knew
to be guilty, but could never (or chose not to) prove it."
After that they went on to arrest many others that were never held for very long. If ALE was seriously trying to prove that the "5th" suspect was guilty they didn't seem to be doing much to keep him locked up.
I'd bet on fair amount of ALE in-fighting ... surely, not every single officer/top-to-bottom was happy w/ investigation
Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone, but this thought has been nagging at me for a while now.
not to worry, all inquiries welcome here, right Lala's?
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on March 12, 2008, 10:51:13 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on March 12, 2008, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on March 12, 2008, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on March 12, 2008, 08:39:21 PM
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA
Not buying it, Columbo. His Lordship ain't no Joe Pesci type. His Lordship does not get his own hands dirty. He let's Dirty Hand do that.
more like the type in the post before pesci?
Maybe.
His Lordship, I believe, is in a government position.
http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Lords%20of%20the%20Mafia%3A%20New%20York:1808486013;_ylt=Avk3.rOKMPg.FBoZWPX.n3gbFt0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBic2hxMGNhBGx0AzQEc2VjA3Ny?clink=dmps/lords_of_the_mafia/ctx=mid:3,pid:1808486013,pdid:3,pos:1,spc:14489115,date:20080312,srch:kw,x:,sem:1
http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Lords%20of%20the%20Mafia%3A%20Sicily:1808486015;_ylt=Aj.lBdrahrNiruHtsJMR9OkbFt0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBic2hxMGNhBGx0AzQEc2VjA3Ny?clink=dmps/lords_of_the_mafia/ctx=mid:3,pid:1808486015,pdid:3,pos:9,spc:14489115,date:20080312,srch:kw,x:,sem:1
http://mafia-lords.com/mafia/
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Quote from: COLOMBO on March 11, 2008, 04:15:01 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4430010&page=1
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided
escort
after the 2 shivas left
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go
to play
in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
All along the gamblers knew who he was. (George Fox #9?)
Sounds like dirtyhand knew who provided the ride after the Kalpoes left. They know, they just will not make a case against the guilty. They have known since the first few days she was dead and what happened for the most part, but will not make a case. The US needs to make a case for them. Jack b
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Quote from: jackb on March 12, 2008, 11:42:23 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on March 11, 2008, 04:15:01 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4430010&page=1
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided
escort
after the 2 shivas left
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go
to play
in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
All along the gamblers knew who he was. (George Fox #9?)
Sounds like dirtyhand knew who provided the ride after the Kalpoes left. They know, they just will not make a case against the guilty. They have known since the first few days she was dead and what happened for the most part, but will not make a case. The US needs to make a case for them. There was more than one white guy who became escorts after the K2 left. Escort sounds rather formal. Police escoort? Beach Security escort? I think so. Jack b
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Quote from: COLOMBO on March 12, 2008, 11:18:29 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on March 12, 2008, 10:51:13 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on March 12, 2008, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on March 12, 2008, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on March 12, 2008, 08:39:21 PM
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA
Not buying it, Columbo. His Lordship ain't no Joe Pesci type. His Lordship does not get his own hands dirty. He let's Dirty Hand do that.
more like the type in the post before pesci?
Maybe.
His Lordship, I believe, is in a government position.
http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Lords%20of%20the%20Mafia%3A%20New%20York:1808486013;_ylt=Avk3.rOKMPg.FBoZWPX.n3gbFt0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBic2hxMGNhBGx0AzQEc2VjA3Ny?clink=dmps/lords_of_the_mafia/ctx=mid:3,pid:1808486013,pdid:3,pos:1,spc:14489115,date:20080312,srch:kw,x:,sem:1
http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Lords%20of%20the%20Mafia%3A%20Sicily:1808486015;_ylt=Aj.lBdrahrNiruHtsJMR9OkbFt0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBic2hxMGNhBGx0AzQEc2VjA3Ny?clink=dmps/lords_of_the_mafia/ctx=mid:3,pid:1808486015,pdid:3,pos:9,spc:14489115,date:20080312,srch:kw,x:,sem:1
http://mafia-lords.com/mafia/
Babylon is defined as a city of sin. So could his lordship be Posner, or his boss?
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Reply #3396 on:
March 13, 2008, 10:17:26 AM »
Quote from: jackb on March 12, 2008, 11:42:23 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on March 11, 2008, 04:15:01 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4430010&page=1
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided
escort
after the 2 shivas left
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go
to play
in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
All along the gamblers knew who he was. (George Fox #9?)
Sounds like dirtyhand knew who provided the ride after the Kalpoes left. They know, they just will not make a case against the guilty. They have known since the first few days she was dead and what happened for the most part, but will not make a case. The US needs to make a case for them. Jack b
JB:
Interesting notion.....in which scenario is the "escort" not doing its job? When they are providing security for an official who is breaking the law-or when they are standing down?
A sacrifice will be made to spare the polis........
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I just found this in my notes
Is there any chance van der Stratten is Shango?
Posted by: ustt | Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:08 AM
You can't be serious.
My God, the man is a 75 year old grandfather, and believe me, poetry is not his thing. His wife is a wonderful
artist, though, and his daughter-in-law writes children's books.
Posted by: Scubajap | Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:13 AM
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Quote from: Blonde on March 13, 2008, 11:07:42 AM
I just found this in my notes
Is there any chance van der Stratten is Shango?
Posted by: ustt | Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:08 AM
You can't be serious.
My God, the man is a 75 year old grandfather, and believe me, poetry is not his thing. His wife is a wonderful
artist, though, and his daughter-in-law writes children's books.
Posted by: Scubajap | Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:13 AM
Why would Scubajap not know that van der Straten was an artist also? She knew about his family...how could she have missed that little detail?
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 12, 2008, 09:13:03 PM
So who is his lordship? Depends on what you think babylon means...if you think it means gamblers...as Simian said...then it is different answer from what it would be if babylon means the Dutch...so who is it? Anyone want to venture a guess....by offering a name?
Well in fitting with my interpretation of what Babylon means i would venture to say his lordship might be Oduber?
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=====> Caylee Marie Anthony Murder Trial Archives
===> Sierra Lamar, 15yrs old, Morgan Hill, CA Missing Since March 16, 2012
===> JO ANN (JODIE) BAIN AND 3 DAUGHTERS MISSING 4/27/2012(2 murdered 2 safe)
===> Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6 yrs old missing 4/21/12 Tucson, AZ (Body Found)
===> Jennifer Kesse - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Susan Powell 28yrs old, missing 12/6/09 West Valley City, Utah
===> Michelle Loree Parker, Last Seen 11/17/11, Orlando, FL
===> Celina Cass, 11yrs old missing 7/25/11 New Hampshire
===> Aliayah Lunsford, 3yrs old, Weston, West VA, missing since 9/24/2011
===> Lisa Irwin, 10mo old missing since 10/4/2011 KC, MO
===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
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===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
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=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
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