SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Finbar]

So we have Posner or Oduber...see why this is so hard to pin down? LOL

There is more that one dirty hand.

CAPS mentioned this. The different spellings of DH/dh seems to indicate this also.

His Lordship is not Oduber. He is the Prime Minister. He is there to preserve Aruba.

His Excellency Governor Refunjol is there to preserve Holland. He is the Head of State. No one higher unless we want to drag the Queen into it.

If we go Rasta - Babylon is the oppression of the Dutch laws, legal system, police, etc.. It is a foreign government forced upon the Arawak peoples from ages ago.

His Lordship Refunjol is there to preserve Babylon.

CAPS, do you own cats?


Fin

[finngirl]

The dna outcome was negative so the door to eden remained closed.

negative for real ...
or manipulated/hidden to appear so?

The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
Arubans need food, they had no income for 30 days????

not sure that food/income was deficient ...
but perhaps casino skimming/money laundering
had to be scaled back, at least for awhile?

my interpretation is as good as anyone's. yepper 

[finngirl]

There is more than one dirty hand. yes

CAPS mentioned this. The different spellings of DH/dh seems to indicate this also.
yes. shango was too meticulous/too literate
for dh/DH/d h/D H to be insignificant

His Lordship is not Oduber. He is the Prime Minister. He is there to preserve Aruba. yes

His Excellency Governor Refunjol is there to preserve Holland. He is the Head of State. yes
No one higher unless we want to drag the Queen into it. please, no

If we go Rasta - Babylon is the oppression of the Dutch laws, legal system, police, etc.. It is a foreign government forced upon the Arawak peoples from ages ago. the rasta thingy has validity, IMO.
babylon = many facets ... not _ _ _ or _ _ _ but the totality of it

His Lordship Refunjol is there to preserve Babylon. yes

[JE]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing (or should we say fallen judge)

[which song..........]
 

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl

I think by the song he means the statements that PVDS was going to make
He waived his right not to testify or implicate his own son
if PVDS lies he sings a poisoned song

[JE]

I found this on

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1115.msg151856#msg151856

Date: 21 June 2005 / 11:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement by a Racquet Club employee
Name: Steve Croes

Date: 21 June 2005 / 13:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiato: Shaniro Kelly / Clyde Burke
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41
Name: Jorge Porras Sanches

Was Croes ever employed by the racquet club? Or are the names mixed up
If not Jorge could be the 5th suspect. The date matches simians comments and might explain this one

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.

The Racquet club being on the other side of the pond

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

[JE]

i know jorge has been discussed before but i only saw his name as witness not a suspect

[JE]

found a link that places Jorge Sanchez at the holiday inn

http://flyertalk.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-450388.html

It has some reviews of the HI one person posted

"Things to do: They have a great tennis pro (Jorge Sanchez)."

[MumInOhio]

found a link that places Jorge Sanchez at the holiday inn

http://flyertalk.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-450388.html

It has some reviews of the HI one person posted

"Things to do: They have a great tennis pro (Jorge Sanchez)."

Great find JE...I am trying to put all the posts together we have on Sanches/Sanchez...give me a few...

[JE]

OOOPS i made a mistake it should read

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 21 June 2005 / 13:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiato: Shaniro Kelly / Clyde Burke
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Responsive to Request 41

Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Srry all got the lines mixed up

[MumInOhio]

OOOPS i made a mistake it should read

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 21 June 2005 / 13:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiato: Shaniro Kelly / Clyde Burke
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Responsive to Request 41

Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Srry all got the lines mixed up

LOL....now I have a nice file on Sanches/Sanchez!!! 

[JE]

  Sorry MUM

[Lala'sMom]

The person that was arrested/detained right after Steve Croes is your 5th suspect.  Whoever that was...Simian's hints are right in line with this...as so many have said, when reading in context it is easy to see...once again...I will say it...we only have to deteremine who that person was that was arrested the same day as Steve Croes to know who the 5th suspect was.  It was right before they took Paulus in...there were more rumors about another person that day than day on the FP.  Those in Aruba were hearing things that we did not know about at the time.

Also, yes there are many dirty hands in this mess.  I have come to believe that the dirty hand reference is about several persons that are in on the corruption and cover up and each and every time Shango mentions them he could easily be talking about a different person. 


Question for thought.....Who are the messengers?

[Lala'sMom]

OOOPS i made a mistake it should read

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 21 June 2005 / 13:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiato: Shaniro Kelly / Clyde Burke
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Responsive to Request 41

Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Srry all got the lines mixed up

LOL....now I have a nice file on Sanches/Sanchez!!! 

Knowing how many people were questioned that had something to do with tennis leads one to believe there is a lot of smoke concerning if or when Joran was at the racquet club and did he have a tennis lesson that day or was it all a ruse?  ALE was trying to fit the pieces together...they were just short a few of the vital pieces at the time. 

another question for thought...Why did ALE spend so much time questioning the people at the racquet club?

[Lala'sMom]

Simian tells us that the babylonians are the gamblers...don't believe me?  Read on....





#  Lucy on June 26th, 2005 9:14 pm

Anne
On Friday, Checkme said that they had nothing against the Paul. Earlier, Simian said that the son’s problem was his attitude and predicted that the father was going to be brought in. I gather whenever he mentioned Noor, he was refering to the VDS’s.

You just have to be patient and keep tuned in.

Now Shango, he is really something. If his postings were not so repetitive, I’d give it a try at deciphering, but he repeats too much.

I think his Lordship is the PM, the Babylons are exiles, whatever that means. The Lebanese Aruba are also mentioned (Sumarians). The shivas are the Kalpoe’s. I think the fort is Texas or the USA. Paul’s cards up the sleeve are the securitu guards theory plus Steve Croes. The thing is that Shango goes over and over, and indifferent lines calls the same people different names, for instance, the Kalpoes. So his doble talk is not precise, making it non enticing to decipher.



# Yolande on June 26th, 2005 9:16 pm

The more I read here the more I think Americans ….. could think better at times.
# san on June 26th, 2005 9:18 pm

The guy on Fox News said that he believe the body is not far from where Natalee was last seen. Know one knows where in fact she was last seen. Three options come to mind are: 1. VDS home. 2. Marriott beach. 3 Light house.



# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:19 pm

DirtyHand is not an Arawak

The singing card can not be played

The cowboys would circle the wagons

The arawaks are preparing the sacrifice

light the fires

the gods are talking



# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:21 pm

The sacrificial offering will not be scapegoat



# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:25 pm

Shangoooooooo


# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:26 pm

The kidnapper is not Aruban

Van Rijn can not be pressured

The FBI would close in on the whole operation

The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit

They will not sacrifice Paul



# Lily on June 26th, 2005 9:26 pm

There is some really intreasting information on this blog about PVDS http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005



# Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:27 pm

The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ’cause the bird would fly away.

The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.



# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:27 pm

Correction

They will not sacrifice Steve Croes



# Compananzi on June 26th, 2005 9:27 pm

FYI, there appears a lot of concern for the release of Paulus, a previous comment of Jug Twit to have Anita arrested barely raised an eyebrow. MB student claim that the MSM always seem to take their statement out of context. Okay so now we have a situation where Paulus was brought in to clarify previous statement. Perhaps the Police saw the full unedited version of the taped interview? See where I am heading? Paulus could have elaborated on something but the taped version never came out or what ever you know? Well that or the Police is doing a tactical release of the suspect. There I was able to appease both camps.



# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:30 pm

Who knows what song the elder will sing


# sarizona on June 26th, 2005 9:30 pm

i thought the last judge was supposed to be impartial

why did they again change judges for papa vs?

today’s judge was new

why?

cover up



# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:31 pm

The shivas knew the girl

the arawaks new the girl

and the babylonians still know the girl



# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:31 pm

Shango

Do the Sumerians own the kaseenos??????



#  Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:32 pm

His lordship is there to preserve babylon

not the elder

remember dirtyhand!


# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:33 pm

Shango

Clarify this. Joran is supposed to be a Babylonian. Are there more Babylonians other than him????


# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:34 pm

the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden

the arawaks awaited the key

his lordship said no

the door to eden remains closed

they are preparing the fire


# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:34 pm

Is Dirty Hand from Savaneta???


# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:35 pm

DirtyHand is not an Arawak

Many pioneers have settled with the tribe


# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:35 pm

Ok, they are preparing the sacrificial fire, but will they sacrifice a Babylonian????



# new girl on June 26th, 2005 9:35 pm

What do you folks think about all of the gambling references from Shango?

All of his clues involve “playing” a hand or a card…And the terrible secret is a “Dirty Hand.” And the consistent references to whether or not the cowboys will leave with the loot.


# Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:36 pm

All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.



# JayFreddy on June 26th, 2005 9:36 pm

S-H-ANGEEOH
S-H-ANGEEOH
S-H-ANGEEOH

And SHANGO was his name-oh!


# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:37 pm

Why would an elder Babylonian let a younger Babylonian be sacrified. Once again, do the Sumerians own the kaseenos?


# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:40 pm

IS Dirty Hand a Macambo???



# new girl on June 26th, 2005 9:40 pm

The “kaseenos” must be the the important link. I wonder how JVDS had so much cash (and why the elder had so much cash) to blow on drinking and gambling when supposedly this family was regular middle class. Follow the money.


# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:41 pm

Shango

So, the night before the disappearance, Joran was with the same gamblers too.


# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:43 pm

Did the babylonians like to make movies?

From the tears, a new river will spring forth…..



# Anne on June 26th, 2005 9:43 pm

Lucy:
Thanks. It’s not a matter of being patient as much as I was puzzled how it was okay to arrest a man just to make his son talk and then let him go. Does arrest not harm reputations in Dutch law as it does in US? Again, thanks. I have been lurking for awhile now

Simian:

Never said you posed. You have predicted too much not to be much closer to the situation than anyone else. Just thought maybe you were going with the word on the street or speculating.

Also: the Babylonians know the girl. Current tense. Last night I was certain you were speaking epilogue, not ongoing story.


# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:44 pm

New Girl

You don’t have to have a lot of cash to stay all night at the kaseenos. A few chips on the roulette will keep you eating and drinking for free all night long.

Simian
So, she played the casinos 3 nights and supposedly took $10,000 out of her credit card, and left $5,000 in her purse. So obviously she was gambling. But why would the gamblers harm her.


# edie on June 26th, 2005 9:47 pm

What keeps confusing me is what will be the sacrifice.



# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:47 pm

Shango

I read something about ganbanging a 14 yr. old tourist and filming it. But this was not attributed to the duo of Babylonians, but to another group of kids, including Van Rijn, Aredszetc.


# Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:48 pm

The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours. The confrontation was brutal.

So who heeded his call? Who switched places?

People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep. They accuse him to be Bifrons.


# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:48 pm

The card of babylon was already played

if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation

the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made

Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles

cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood

The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response


# edie on June 26th, 2005 9:50 pm

Bifrons- evil or the devil… right?


# new girl on June 26th, 2005 9:51 pm

Bifrons = demon /monster


# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:51 pm

The 46th spirit does not walk the same circle as the elders, this shall be his downfall


# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:52 pm

Simian

Demoniacal???


# new girl on June 26th, 2005 9:52 pm

Who are the gods?


# edie on June 26th, 2005 9:52 pm

the 46th spirit was bifrons


# Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:53 pm

The Simain thinks that Babalà º is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.

The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew he girl.


# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:53 pm

The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle


# sarizona on June 26th, 2005 9:53 pm

croes out tomottow @ 1

papa out already

why the time difference???


# new girl on June 26th, 2005 9:53 pm

Bifrons = He changeth Dead Bodies, and putteth them in another place; also he lighteth seeming Candles upon the Graves of the Dead.

: (
# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:54 pm

Shango and Simian

So he said goodbye to the Kalpoes and called some school friens that are Babylonians and were at the kaseeno the night before, and the other three nights gambling with Natalee.

So, the kid is a sociopath???


# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:55 pm

DirtyHand walks with the elders

Babylon knows


# edie on June 26th, 2005 9:56 pm

conspiracy


# T K on June 26th, 2005 9:56 pm

how about he Joran left her on the beach alone, and some other gamblers from the casino who knew her did something to her?

[COLOMBO]

All the gamblers knew was written down

she spent her nights at their tables

why did the girl owe money

windows overlooking babylon are being opened:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=Paulus+Van+der+Sloot+and+the+Man+at+the+Excelsior

his lordship is there to preserve babylon, not the elder

[JE]

if this is the real simian it would be pretty clear who the babylonians are
anybody know if this is a genuine post?

Simian on June 30th, 2005 12:24 pm

If the Picaros took the girl then why haven’t they radioed in? They have an agenda and they always prove their point.

The Babylonians still have the boy and the Hindus pinched. The Hindus and the boy met again yesterday. The boy fell apart. Another patch is woven. There are no Picaros here, only a boy. So do the Babylonians think.

A slap in the face did the Babylonians receive yesterday from the ones who own the block and the hammer. The boy can recieve the elder. Ha! Their words will be committed to magnet.

The elder is not a capo in the Palace. The palace servants all think he is a failure, but he sure knows his way around. He did break one gate already.

[COLOMBO]

if this is the real simian it would be pretty clear who the babylonians are
anybody know if this is a genuine post?

Simian on June 30th, 2005 12:24 pm

If the Picaros took the girl then why haven’t they radioed in? They have an agenda and they always prove their point.

The Babylonians still have the boy and the Hindus pinched. The Hindus and the boy met again yesterday. The boy fell apart. Another patch is woven. There are no Picaros here, only a boy. So do the Babylonians think.

A slap in the face did the Babylonians receive yesterday from the ones who own the block and the hammer. The boy can recieve the elder. Ha! Their words will be committed to magnet.

The elder is not a capo in the Palace. The palace servants all think he is a failure, but he sure knows his way around. He did break one gate already.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

[jackb]

There is more than one dirty hand. yes

CAPS mentioned this. The different spellings of DH/dh seems to indicate this also.
yes. shango was too meticulous/too literate
for dh/DH/d h/D H to be insignificant

His Lordship is not Oduber. He is the Prime Minister. He is there to preserve Aruba. yes

His Excellency Governor Refunjol is there to preserve Holland. He is the Head of State. yes
No one higher unless we want to drag the Queen into it. please, no

If we go Rasta - Babylon is the oppression of the Dutch laws, legal system, police, etc.. It is a foreign government forced upon the Arawak peoples from ages ago. the rasta thingy has validity, IMO.
babylon = many facets ... not _ _ _ or _ _ _ but the totality of it

His Lordship Refunjol is there to preserve Babylon. yes

 

The judges are refered to as lordships in many places.  Probably there too.  The head of the justice department is Oduber and he hobnobs with the queen.  He fits the bill as well.  jackb

[jackb]

The person that was arrested/detained right after Steve Croes is your 5th suspect.  Whoever that was...Simian's hints are right in line with this...as so many have said, when reading in context it is easy to see...once again...I will say it...we only have to deteremine who that person was that was arrested the same day as Steve Croes to know who the 5th suspect was.  It was right before they took Paulus in...there were more rumors about another person that day than day on the FP.  Those in Aruba were hearing things that we did not know about at the time.

Also, yes there are many dirty hands in this mess.  I have come to believe that the dirty hand reference is about several persons that are in on the corruption and cover up and each and every time Shango mentions them he could easily be talking about a different person. 


Question for thought.....Who are the messengers?

  AB or Adin Bikker?  seems he was just asked something or other and released.  j/b

[COLOMBO]

There is more than one dirty hand. yes

CAPS mentioned this. The different spellings of DH/dh seems to indicate this also.
yes. shango was too meticulous/too literate
for dh/DH/d h/D H to be insignificant

His Lordship is not Oduber. He is the Prime Minister. He is there to preserve Aruba. yes

His Excellency Governor Refunjol is there to preserve Holland. He is the Head of State. yes
No one higher unless we want to drag the Queen into it. please, no

If we go Rasta - Babylon is the oppression of the Dutch laws, legal system, police, etc.. It is a foreign government forced upon the Arawak peoples from ages ago. the rasta thingy has validity, IMO.
babylon = many facets ... not _ _ _ or _ _ _ but the totality of it

His Lordship Refunjol is there to preserve Babylon. yes

 

The judges are refered to as lordships in many places.  Probably there too.  The head of the justice department is Oduber and he hobnobs with the queen.  He fits the bill as well.  jackb

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand! (comps!)

who threw PVDS under the bus?
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=posner+video