SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key
the door never existed
Eden is distant

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
Meetings with his lordship will reveal several mysteries
the sacrifice also knows the fires have been lit

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
His lordship did not bring the key, it does not exist.
doors to eden remain closed.
The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty.
Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.
If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons.
DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon.
Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the cowboys go home
….without the loot

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden
the arawaks awaited the key
his lordship said no
the door to eden remains closed
they are preparing the fire

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden
the answer lies with the Arawak Nation


Any ideas on who 'his Lordship' is?

Oduber
Rudy Croes
The Govenor General

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=posner+video

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!

His Lordship sounds like a Judge in these posts. The key being DNA.

Judge Smid is the expert on money laundering...article posted yesterday in the NAH thread.

I have seen Judges called His Lordship, also Governors and then we have Posner.

What about Rudy?...He is the Minister (Lord) of the Judges.

[jackb]

There was an AB pulled in, but don't know just now when.  I am not home and have info on outside storage.  Anyway Adin Bikker is who that was, the best I can remimber. 

I thought "AB" was early misinterpretation of Freddy's name?

his last name/Arambatzis was released verbally at first,
rather than in writing

the listener heard Aaron Batsis = AB

anyone else remember this?

  It is Adin Bikker.  I am still not home, but have a picture of him and his father (or boyfriend) or whatever.  They play golf.  He wears glasses, has slope shoulders and looks a bit strange, not quite nerdy, but sort of strange.  The dude with him is older than he is.  I believe the dude with him is some kind of coach or something.  I am not just where I can get hold of this info.  They may have the picture on BFN in their archives.   Jack blue

[MumInOhio]

So who is his lordship?  Depends on what you think babylon means...if you think it means gamblers...as Simian said...then it is different answer from what it would be if babylon means the Dutch...so who is it? Anyone want to venture a guess....by offering a name?

Well in fitting with my interpretation of what Babylon means i would venture to say his lordship might be Oduber?

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The Simian has an IQ of 149 as measured by Gringos.
All of the words of the cohorts of the boy and the Hindus have been hi-jacked. For weeks already. The confrontation of yesterday was brutal. More lies woven. The boy has to fall apart. The Babylonians have their swords ready
North American special interests have organized a human chain of prayers in Aruba. From the Wyndham to the Holiday Inn. Are afraid for their multi-million dollar investments? The Simian heard from the Gringos say they are doing OK. The bread won’t be taken from them. They will just sit this one out.

Columbo what was the date of that simian post?

IIRC June 30th. around 2 or 3 in the afternoon, but I bet you have already found it by now...

[jackb]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key
the door never existed
Eden is distant

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
Meetings with his lordship will reveal several mysteries
the sacrifice also knows the fires have been lit

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
His lordship did not bring the key, it does not exist.
doors to eden remain closed.
The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty.
Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.
If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons.
DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon.
Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the cowboys go home
….without the loot

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden
the arawaks awaited the key
his lordship said no
the door to eden remains closed
they are preparing the fire

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden
the answer lies with the Arawak Nation


Any ideas on who 'his Lordship' is?

Oduber
Rudy Croes
The Govenor General

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=posner+video

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!

His Lordship sounds like a Judge in these posts. The key being DNA.

Judge Smid is the expert on money laundering...article posted yesterday in the NAH thread.

I have seen Judges called His Lordship, also Governors and then we have Posner.

What about Rudy?...He is the Minister (Lord) of the Judges.

Seems that I remember that dirtyhand is the key.  His lordship never brought the key back.
Perhaps he was attempting to have Guido or some of the ones who ran to the NL brought back and could not as someone thwarted that.  A few of them took off.  I believe GCV took off too.  There was this bartender at C&C, Guido, GCV, The Gottenbos' and Posner all went somewhere.  But dirtyhand is the key and the key was never brought back as it never existed (tight alibi?)  The partents (prominent citizens) gave GCV a tight alibi that could not be broken by saying (a lie) he was with them all evening or something to that effect.  They have so much stuff on people through those security videos, most likely, that many are afraid to go after them.  I have it in my head, gut and pictures figured out that GVC did the final death blow to her by GSW.  Everyone who has kept up with this case knows the LE has the case solved and has for three years since June of 05, but there has got to be a way for the US to get their azzes since they are not doing their job  by one of ours.  We prosecute ours if one of theirs is killed here.  Those effers will pay.  Those sorry azzed judges and LE are not fit to lead their own families and suck on wieners for a hobby.  They reek of filth.  Even allowing, in the NL, for filthy people to have sex in public restrooms where families have to go, even filthy perv sex that is an abomination to God.  They are Godless and hate anything or anyone who wants a Godly relationship.  They are a DISGRACE to the world.  Aruba and the NL.   Jack b

[MumInOhio]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing (or should we say fallen judge)

[which song..........]
 

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl

I think by the song he means the statements that PVDS was going to make
He waived his right not to testify or implicate his own son
if PVDS lies he sings a poisoned song

Posted this before, but not sure if you were here then, then legal checkmate if LVR is indeed his son and Joran's half brother. They do not have to testify against each other...A body would be needed.

[jackb]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing (or should we say fallen judge)

[which song..........]
 

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl

I think by the song he means the statements that PVDS was going to make
He waived his right not to testify or implicate his own son
if PVDS lies he sings a poisoned song

Posted this before, but not sure if you were here then, then legal checkmate if LVR is indeed his son and Joran's half brother. They do not have to testify against each other...A body would be needed.

I believe they have one if they go get it, that is if they have not already.  jackb

[MumInOhio]

The person that was arrested/detained right after Steve Croes is your 5th suspect.  Whoever that was...Simian's hints are right in line with this...as so many have said, when reading in context it is easy to see...once again...I will say it...we only have to deteremine who that person was that was arrested the same day as Steve Croes to know who the 5th suspect was.  It was right before they took Paulus in...there were more rumors about another person that day than day on the FP.  Those in Aruba were hearing things that we did not know about at the time.

Also, yes there are many dirty hands in this mess.  I have come to believe that the dirty hand reference is about several persons that are in on the corruption and cover up and each and every time Shango mentions them he could easily be talking about a different person. 


Question for thought.....Who are the messengers?

Had always thought the messengers were the Press. Should be fairly easy to affirm or deny by what time he says he has to feed them.

If it's midnight...I say no...more homework!!!

[MumInOhio]

OOOPS i made a mistake it should read

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 21 June 2005 / 13:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiato: Shaniro Kelly / Clyde Burke
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Responsive to Request 41

Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Srry all got the lines mixed up

LOL....now I have a nice file on Sanches/Sanchez!!! 

Knowing how many people were questioned that had something to do with tennis leads one to believe there is a lot of smoke concerning if or when Joran was at the racquet club and did he have a tennis lesson that day or was it all a ruse?  ALE was trying to fit the pieces together...they were just short a few of the vital pieces at the time. 

another question for thought...Why did ALE spend so much time questioning the people at the racquet club?

I have all the Sanches/Sanchez posts together...thanks to JE...LOL

Maybe Caps can give us more info on the one Sanches and his mother he found and on the Club. Their website looks like the Club has been totally renovated.

When I get the Racquet Club info together I may put it all together in it's own thread, maybe others that don't Tango have info they could add.

[MumInOhio]

the sumerians:

The significance of the cedars of Lebanon to the history of man are traced to the very earliest written records, that of the Sumerians in the third millennium BC

http://www.intelligence.org.il/Eng/bu/hizbullah/pb/app14.htm

Venezuela

Venezuela, and its neighboring island, Aruba, have long had a well established drug trafficking, drug smuggling, and money laundering network, which had been created in the early 70s by the

Cosa Nostra’s Cuntrera-Caruana family. [175]   In the 1990s, the Aruba-based Mansur family, of Lebanese descent, took over the network, adding cigarette smuggling to their operations.  According to U.S. court documents from March 2001,“Much of the proceeds garnered by the Mansur brothers went to Hizballah.” [176]

and

http://www.tobacco.org/articles/country/aruba/

Intro:

[This reprise of a part of the CPI report contains graphics of some of the documents--gb]

The chief purveyors of tobacco through Colombia's "backdoor ports" were two powerful Aruba families by the names of Mansur and Harms.

In August 1994, the United States indicted cousins Eric and Alex Mansur along with 52 others allegedly involved in a massive drug-money laundering enterprise. The investigation, dubbed Operation Golden Trash, targeted an alleged conspiracy that used narco dollars to purchase cigarettes, alcohol and household electronics, which were sold to individuals and businesses in Colombia. The proceeds flowed to cocaine barons.

could the Mansur family have anything to do with the sumerians in the posts?

If too far fetched let me know i can take it LOL

Some believe the Mansurs relate to these posts more directly

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

judicial feat (fi'-at)?

COLUMBO may be right on this one...LOL

JE...Dave, Beth and Jug totally trust Jossy, but he is not the only member of the Mansur family.

[jackb]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key
the door never existed
Eden is distant

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
Meetings with his lordship will reveal several mysteries
the sacrifice also knows the fires have been lit

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
His lordship did not bring the key, it does not exist.
doors to eden remain closed.
The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty.
Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.
If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons.
DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon.
Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the cowboys go home
….without the loot

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden
the arawaks awaited the key
his lordship said no
the door to eden remains closed
they are preparing the fire

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden
the answer lies with the Arawak Nation


Any ideas on who 'his Lordship' is?

Oduber
Rudy Croes
The Govenor General

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=posner+video

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!

His Lordship sounds like a Judge in these posts. The key being DNA.

Judge Smid is the expert on money laundering...article posted yesterday in the NAH thread.

I have seen Judges called His Lordship, also Governors and then we have Posner.

What about Rudy?...He is the Minister (Lord) of the Judges.

 

If you arHis Lordship sounds like a Judge in these posts. The key being DNA.

Judge Smid is the expert on money laundering...article posted yesterday in the NAH thread.

I have seen Judges called His Lordship, also Governors and then we have Posner.

What about Rudy?...He is the Minister (Lord) of the Judges.   quote from Jack b
 
 
If you are going to quote me give me credit:    Jack b

[MumInOhio]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

There was a meeting on june 28th between Croes, Donner(dutch justice minister) and Pechtold(dutch minister of kingdom relations) in curacao. During this meeting croes asked the dutch ministers for assistance in rectifying the aruban image that was painted in the US media. The bad image was harming arubas tourist industry. (wampum)
This would also tie in nicely to the trio comment in the post
I still think that a judge fits "his lordship" best but....

can't figure out what either Croes or the judge that let PVDS and SGC walk have to do with this one....?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice

Thanks JE...I followed the link and it said June 27th. 2005...Interesting!

Made the meeting info red as to stand out...

http://juridischdagblad.nl/content/view/1831/71/

[MumInOhio]

LOL at jackb...Good Morning!

I'm still back on page 174 trying to catch up after 9 days...getting there!

[MumInOhio]

the foundations will shake even harder if Arawak DirtyHand is revealed

But Jossy did reveal His Lordship, Posner, and I didn't hear much ado about that.

Interesting that the casino is listed under Posner's son's name, but I bet Paulus knew who was really running the show!

[MumInOhio]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

Security videos??  From the Wyndham...owned by Riverol?  just thinking....

 

I seem to get that Shango is saying frome the pain a new era in governance will start.
Something good will eventually be gained from all of this.  Perhaps an outing of the crooks and oppressors.  That goes to show great things are accomplished by those for whom it was meant to be.  NH will have accomplished great things even in her death.  Eventually  those waters that have been bittered by the dutch and their filthiness will emerge and be cleansed by this new river.  Jack b

These videos are under control of the Beach Security owned by Geoffrey van cromvroits father who is not allowing them to be seen to protect Geoffrey????  Posner took his azz and ran to Chicago.  He has his copies and is probably not as good as the Cromvroits with the security videos and the manipulation of them.  Cromvroits daughter, as well, worked at the PD and could have seen her baby brother in some big azzed trouble and between she, cromvroit, Vanderstratten and Palus changed what they needed changing and have been covering ever since.  Vanderstratten and Cromvroit would protect their jobs and livlihood.  cromvroit would never be able to operate security again if his son was involved with a murder and it was to be found out.  Especially him working as Patrol, having keys and business security access.  It comes down to those three and Jacobs who is lazy and would kiss Vanderfstrattens behind if it meant he could skate until retirement.  Yes, those cops were destroying evidence as fast as people found it and turned it in.  By now I am beginning to get pissed at our State Department for not protecting the integrity of our citizens' rights., etc.  This country should pressure them and demand her be found and the rats dealth with.  Our country needs to stand up for her citizens and if she does not, then WE NEED To know why not.  Who is standing in the way.  Perhaps they are getting some Aruban spin off of perks.  This stuff has got to stop.  Jack Blue

Well said jackb...I totally agree and have a major problem with all the Arubans hopping in and out of the country easier than I can!

The State Department owe Beth and Dave answers...to heck with the 'bigger picture'!

[MumInOhio]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

Security videos??  From the Wyndham...owned by Riverol?  just thinking....

 

I seem to get that Shango is saying frome the pain a new era in governance will start.
Something good will eventually be gained from all of this.  Perhaps an outing of the crooks and oppressors.  That goes to show great things are accomplished by those for whom it was meant to be.  NH will have accomplished great things even in her death.  Eventually  those waters that have been bittered by the dutch and their filthiness will emerge and be cleansed by this new river.  Jack b

These videos are under control of the Beach Security owned by Geoffrey van cromvroits father who is not allowing them to be seen to protect Geoffrey????  Posner took his azz and ran to Chicago.  He has his copies and is probably not as good as the Cromvroits with the security videos and the manipulation of them.  Cromvroits daughter, as well, worked at the PD and could have seen her baby brother in some big azzed trouble and between she, cromvroit, Vanderstratten and Palus changed what they needed changing and have been covering ever since.  Vanderstratten and Cromvroit would protect their jobs and livlihood.  cromvroit would never be able to operate security again if his son was involved with a murder and it was to be found out.  Especially him working as Patrol, having keys and business security access.  It comes down to those three and Jacobs who is lazy and would kiss Vanderfstrattens behind if it meant he could skate until retirement.  Yes, those cops were destroying evidence as fast as people found it and turned it in.  By now I am beginning to get pissed at our State Department for not protecting the integrity of our citizens' rights., etc.  This country should pressure them and demand her be found and the rats dealth with.  Our country needs to stand up for her citizens and if she does not, then WE NEED To know why not.  Who is standing in the way.  Perhaps they are getting some Aruban spin off of perks.  This stuff has got to stop.  Jack Blue

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html
The Honourable Mr. Justice Jacob Wit

Snip:
Mr. Justice Wit was appointed by Her Majesty Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands as Deputy Judge of the Rotterdam District Court in January 1984, Judge of the Rotterdam District Court in March 1985 and Judge of the Joint Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba on 1 October 1988. This Court consists of two Courts of First Instance (Netherlands Antilles, Aruba) and a Court of Appeal. Resident in Curaçao since 1986, from then to the present, Mr. Justice Wit has presided over or sat in the Court of Appeal, but mainly presided in the Courts of First Instan­ce over a wide range of cases, involving: civil law (contract, tort, property, succession), commercial and admiralty law, insurance, bankruptcy and (cross border) insolvency, company law and intellectual property, criminal law (serious crime, government corruption, international fraud, money laundering), military law, administrative law, constitutional law and international human rights law.

Snip:
Off the Bench, Mr. Justice Wit has served as Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Nether­lands Antilles' Prisons and Houses of Detention (1987-1991); Chairman of the Board of Discipline for Medical Doctors (1992-1995); President of the Military Court of the Nether­lands Antilles (1992-present); Chairman of the Judicial Working Groups on (a) Videoconfe­ren­cing in Court and (b) Code of Ethics for the Judiciary (2003-present); and Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Securi­ty Servi­ce of Aruba (2004-present). He has also been a member of the National Committee On Revising the Codes of Crimi­nal Procedure of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (1987-1998); and Vice-President of the National Committee On Revi­sing the Crimi­nal Code of the Netherlands Antilles (2002-present).
Snip
 

Judge Wit has been around the halls of the palace a very long time.

I still wonder what authority he had in this case if he was appointed to the Caribbean Court of Justice on June 1st. 2005

[Lala'sMom]

There was an AB pulled in, but don't know just now when.  I am not home and have info on outside storage.  Anyway Adin Bikker is who that was, the best I can remimber. 

I thought "AB" was early misinterpretation of Freddy's name?

his last name/Arambatzis was released verbally at first,
rather than in writing

the listener heard Aaron Batsis = AB

anyone else remember this?

  It is Adin Bikker.  I am still not home, but have a picture of him and his father (or boyfriend) or whatever.  They play golf.  He wears glasses, has slope shoulders and looks a bit strange, not quite nerdy, but sort of strange.  The dude with him is older than he is.  I believe the dude with him is some kind of coach or something.  I am not just where I can get hold of this info.  They may have the picture on BFN in their archives.   Jack blue

I would like to see your info if you can find it...I am still waiting to see some type of press release that tells us this.  It has always been hard to pin down with Freddy and his last name in the mix.  Those in Aruba are the reason for all the misinformation...they let too many things just lay in hopes it would prevent anyone from asking the tough questions.

[Lala'sMom]

the foundations will shake even harder if Arawak DirtyHand is revealed

But Jossy did reveal His Lordship, Posner, and I didn't hear much ado about that.

Interesting that the casino is listed under Posner's son's name, but I bet Paulus knew who was really running the show!

A clever method to circumvent laws regarding convicted criminals owning casinos.  How nice and convenient.

[MumInOhio]

#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:02 pm

Look for the blue (with grafiti) delivery truck getting impounded…

funny BTW that checkme says "delivery truck" in dutch a van is called bestelwagen=delivery truck

We have one of those 'delivery trucks'...without the graffiti of course!

Do you suppose that checkme is Dutch, or could they just be called that there as well?

[MumInOhio]

the foundations will shake even harder if Arawak DirtyHand is revealed

But Jossy did reveal His Lordship, Posner, and I didn't hear much ado about that.

Interesting that the casino is listed under Posner's son's name, but I bet Paulus knew who was really running the show!

A clever method to circumvent laws regarding convicted criminals owning casinos.  How nice and convenient.

Good Morning Lala's...there was some discussion on the NAH thread about a week ago about his son and I just happened to see the details listed yesterday and realised that was how they got away with it...Still he should never have been allowed a work permit...oh wait he owns the place...he doesn't actually need to work!

[jackb]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

Security videos??  From the Wyndham...owned by Riverol?  just thinking....

 

I seem to get that Shango is saying frome the pain a new era in governance will start.
Something good will eventually be gained from all of this.  Perhaps an outing of the crooks and oppressors.  That goes to show great things are accomplished by those for whom it was meant to be.  NH will have accomplished great things even in her death.  Eventually  those waters that have been bittered by the dutch and their filthiness will emerge and be cleansed by this new river.  Jack b

These videos are under control of the Beach Security owned by Geoffrey van cromvroits father who is not allowing them to be seen to protect Geoffrey????  Posner took his azz and ran to Chicago.  He has his copies and is probably not as good as the Cromvroits with the security videos and the manipulation of them.  Cromvroits daughter, as well, worked at the PD and could have seen her baby brother in some big azzed trouble and between she, cromvroit, Vanderstratten and Palus changed what they needed changing and have been covering ever since.  Vanderstratten and Cromvroit would protect their jobs and livlihood.  cromvroit would never be able to operate security again if his son was involved with a murder and it was to be found out.  Especially him working as Patrol, having keys and business security access.  It comes down to those three and Jacobs who is lazy and would kiss Vanderfstrattens behind if it meant he could skate until retirement.  Yes, those cops were destroying evidence as fast as people found it and turned it in.  By now I am beginning to get pissed at our State Department for not protecting the integrity of our citizens' rights., etc.  This country should pressure them and demand her be found and the rats dealth with.  Our country needs to stand up for her citizens and if she does not, then WE NEED To know why not.  Who is standing in the way.  Perhaps they are getting some Aruban spin off of perks.  This stuff has got to stop.  Jack Blue

Well said jackb...I totally agree and have a major problem with all the Arubans hopping in and out of the country easier than I can!

The State Department owe Beth and Dave answers...to heck with the 'bigger picture'!

If they know something then they should tell the family or they should be made to answer legally why the family and the deceased rights are not being protected.  They are hiding something.  If we can conclude this then they can and since they can they should act on it as it is eroding the confidence and security the Americans are paying through taxes to know we are being protected as best can be and what they are doing to do this.  If they let this piss-ant country get away with this without making then answer for it, then they will be under scrutiny for this.  It has been almost 3 years and they are telling us they cannot stand up for our citizens any better than this and they have billions to work with?  I say it is time for answers or someone is going to show where they are spending all this freaking money and on what.  They allowed our FBI's hands to be tied when dealing with this and thought it would pass.  I am NOT going to spend 3 years of my life on something and not get some kind of answer.  There are others as well.  Now, SOMEONE out there better start buttering OUR bread because we have buttered yours long e-freaking 'nuff and got nothing in return for it but silence.  By the looks of it there is a lot of committment to this and those in a position to better get some.  I am JUST a freaking 'bout mad at this freaking silent movie.   Jackb