SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

I don't buy for one minute that Joran and GVC don't know each other, but keep seeing this type comment.

Would the bridge between the two be the Gottenbos brothers? Who else Croes?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html


KELLY: Actually, there's a rather large mix still. I mean, I know Joran's attorneys have been stating that he doesn't know this individual, which I have no reason to doubt. But I've also been told that GVC has involvement with other people that are involved with the three principal suspects. So if you sort of bridge the gap there and look at Croes, you can try to speculate a little bit there as to what's going on.

[vms]

New Arrestee in Holloway Case First Questioned By Police a Year Ago
Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, a Potential Suspect, Was Questioned in Investigation's Early Stages, ABC News Learns
April 20, 2006—


The 19-year-old man arrested last weekend as a new potential suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was first questioned by police in the earliest stages of the investigation almost a year ago, ABC News has learned.

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was arrested following "chatter" generated after the Dutch equivalent of "America's Most Wanted" aired a reenactment of Holloway's disappearance, sources told ABC News. Van Cromvoirt's sister, who is a police officer, played an on-camera roll on the program, ABC News has learned.

In the Dutch reenactment, a mysterious white car follows the one Holloway is in with Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch teen long suspected in the case, the night of her disappearance. On Wednesday, a similar car was spotted parked in front of van Cromvoirt's gated home.


Investigators Return to Waters off Aruba
While van Cromvoirt faces hours of more police interrogation, Dutch and Aruban Coast Guard ships have returned to search the waters off Aruba with sonar devices.

Van Cromvoirt is being held as a possible suspect, not a witness, although van der Sloot remains the chief suspect. Van der Sloot has repeatedly denied being involved in Holloway's disappearance. Police won't say whether the two men knew each other, but van der Sloot's lawyer has said his client does not know van Cromvoirt.

Holloway has been missing since she disappeared on May 30, 2005, while on a class trip to Aruba. Van Cromvoirt worked for a private security company that patrols beaches outside Aruba's hotels. Holloway was last seen leaving an Aruba bar with van der Sloot and Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were held for 25 days before being released. Van der Sloot has said he left Holloway on a beach near her hotel after they had kissed.

Van Cromvoirt's family runs the security company, according to Joseph Tacopina, the attorney for van der Sloot. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies, including the Holiday Inn, where Holloway had been staying, he said. The company installed the security camera and patrols the beach. Van Cromvoirt was part of the team that patrolled the Holiday Inn's beach in the early hours of the morning, according to Tacopina.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1865343&page=1

[MumInOhio]

Hi vms...thanks for posting the pic.

Somewhere in the thread is something about GVC being arrested because of a white car that was parked at his house. Someone called a tip. I have been looking for it, but haven't found it yet.

I have posted about it a couple of times, but was looking for where I got it from. I will be back later, but it may have been from America's Most Wanted now I think about it.

[vms]

Hi vms...thanks for posting the pic.

Somewhere in the thread is something about GVC being arrested because of a white car that was parked at his house. Someone called a tip. I have been looking for it, but haven't found it yet.

I have posted about it a couple of times, but was looking for where I got it from. I will be back later, but it may have been from America's Most Wanted now I think about it.

Hi Mum,

You're welcome. I have several saved of him. If you need anymore, let me know. 

There is a reference to the white car in the ABC article above. Is that it?

[JE]

Some more i found
Hard to believe they did not know each other, same bars, same beaches, same interests
Anyone know who the guy on the left in top photo is?

[vms]

I have seen him referred to as Curly, JE. That's all I know...

[MumInOhio]

Hi vms...thanks for posting the pic.

Somewhere in the thread is something about GVC being arrested because of a white car that was parked at his house. Someone called a tip. I have been looking for it, but haven't found it yet.

I have posted about it a couple of times, but was looking for where I got it from. I will be back later, but it may have been from America's Most Wanted now I think about it.

Hi Mum,

You're welcome. I have several saved of him. If you need anymore, let me know. 

There is a reference to the white car in the ABC article above. Is that it?

I saw that and don't think it is what I am looking for...but I could be totally confused on this LOL...it will drive me nuts until I find it! It wasn't in the AMW article, but that's been changed a couple of times recently when new things came up.

[Lala'sMom]

I have often said that IF Natalee was even slightly interested in any male on Aruba while she was there it would have been GVC.  He was much more the beach bum hunk type of guy that would appeal to the girls. In fact, he is the only guy my own daughter ever thought was... as she says..."cute" among all the others.  If he was a cool and crazy as Simian said then meeting him would make sense. Still trying to make the pieces fit.

[vms]

I have often said that IF Natalee was even slightly interested in any male on Aruba while she was there it would have been GVC.  He was much more the beach bum hunk type of guy that would appeal to the girls. In fact, he is the only guy my own daughter ever thought was... as she says..."cute" among all the others.  If he was a cool and crazy as Simian said then meeting him would make sense. Still trying to make the pieces fit.

I've always thought the same. He is cute, IMO. A couple of comments, at webshots, left me wondering if he may be a real jerk though...

[COLOMBO]

I have often said that IF Natalee was even slightly interested in any male on Aruba while she was there it would have been GVC.  He was much more the beach bum hunk type of guy that would appeal to the girls. In fact, he is the only guy my own daughter ever thought was... as she says..."cute" among all the others.  If he was a cool and crazy as Simian said then meeting him would make sense. Still trying to make the pieces fit.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

[cubbeegirl]

I have often said that IF Natalee was even slightly interested in any male on Aruba while she was there it would have been GVC.  He was much more the beach bum hunk type of guy that would appeal to the girls. In fact, he is the only guy my own daughter ever thought was... as she says..."cute" among all the others.  If he was a cool and crazy as Simian said then meeting him would make sense. Still trying to make the pieces fit.

I've always thought the same. He is cute, IMO. A couple of comments, at webshots, left me wondering if he may be a real jerk though...

I agree with you both on this... he is the only attractive one I have seen so far, and as far as being a jerk, probably is, but it sometimes takes a bit for that side of a person to come out as they can sometimes be so good at hiding that side of theirself...JMO

[Lala'sMom]

Well, daughter did say sometimes the cute ones are the most dangerous...don't think I want to know why she made that statement. 

[MumInOhio]

Well, daughter did say sometimes the cute ones are the most dangerous...don't think I want to know why she made that statement. 

I bet those are size 14 boots he's wearing!

[hotping]

Well, daughter did say sometimes the cute ones are the most dangerous...don't think I want to know why she made that statement. 

I bet those are size 14 boots he's wearing!

Mum that's really funny because I thought the same thing when I saw them..   

[MumInOhio]

Bringing over some posts from the NAH thread on my theoryon Simian’s ‘other car’.


« Reply #438 on: Today at 12:36:08 PM


Quote from: Lala'sMom on Today at 11:53:59 AM

That car looks more like the one sitting outside Freddy's place than any other photo.  Notice the dark trim on the car as compared to Freddy's.  Just saying...slinking back in corner.

from Mum

But are any of them a Toyota, is what I would really like to know...LOL

This is from the Dr Phil documents...and of course Freddy was interviewed that same day...


Name: Annie Vicenta Todd
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness pointing out an area of interest
 
Name: Annie Vicenta Todd
Date: 28 June 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness statement about a gray Toyota


From Hotping

Mum the top pic in Lala's post reply 435 looks like a Toyota Tercel....My Daughter had one just like it years ago.... 

[vms]

I get the feeling he is quite impressed with himself.   

[jackb]

Lala’s…do you remember anything about the Rainbow Warriors?…A Milton Ponson…is he the father of the of the 2 guys from the Racquet Club? An older woman tied in there as well. Could be the Mom.

Buckeye just posted about the Rainbow Warriors and I recognized the name. There was discussion early on in this thread before I started posting here. I will go back later and see if I can find the posts…just thought you may have a quick answer.(that darned Racquet Club again)...LOL

TIA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2258.0

 

It seems someone wrote very recently that Freddy's mom had some kind of directorhip at the recquet club.   j/b

It was me jackb...but it was SC Bubali and it was checked out the other night on the main thread and she is no longer listed on the list of businesses.

I have a post that said that she was listed as Dutch on an earlier list and wanted to verify it.

Now I am going with Dutch, as the poster read it and would have no reason to say otherwise when she posted a link with this info on it.

By the way...the Grandfather of Aruban tennis is Venezuelan, Humphrey Hose...who would have guessed!

  I did not make the "It's me Jackb quote."  If someone uses my name again to quote, I will mess your computer up so bad you will NEVER have use for it again.  Do it as you will.  I don't put up with that crap.  This IS me Jackb

Jackb - this is a warning. Next time you will be put on a timeout.  I suggest you read more carefully and think before posting rediculous threats ... SHE WAS RESPONDING TO YOU, NOT IMPERSONATING YOU(klaasend)

[jackb]

Lala’s…do you remember anything about the Rainbow Warriors?…A Milton Ponson…is he the father of the of the 2 guys from the Racquet Club? An older woman tied in there as well. Could be the Mom.

Buckeye just posted about the Rainbow Warriors and I recognized the name. There was discussion early on in this thread before I started posting here. I will go back later and see if I can find the posts…just thought you may have a quick answer.(that darned Racquet Club again)...LOL

TIA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2258.0

 

It seems someone wrote very recently that Freddy's mom had some kind of directorhip at the recquet club.   j/b

It was me jackb...but it was SC Bubali and it was checked out the other night on the main thread and she is no longer listed on the list of businesses.

I have a post that said that she was listed as Dutch on an earlier list and wanted to verify it.

Now I am going with Dutch, as the poster read it and would have no reason to say otherwise when she posted a link with this info on it.

By the way...the Grandfather of Aruban tennis is Venezuelan, Humphrey Hose...who would have guessed!

[vms]

Lala’s…do you remember anything about the Rainbow Warriors?…A Milton Ponson…is he the father of the of the 2 guys from the Racquet Club? An older woman tied in there as well. Could be the Mom.

Buckeye just posted about the Rainbow Warriors and I recognized the name. There was discussion early on in this thread before I started posting here. I will go back later and see if I can find the posts…just thought you may have a quick answer.(that darned Racquet Club again)...LOL

TIA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2258.0

 

It seems someone wrote very recently that Freddy's mom had some kind of directorhip at the recquet club.   j/b

It was me jackb...but it was SC Bubali and it was checked out the other night on the main thread and she is no longer listed on the list of businesses.

I have a post that said that she was listed as Dutch on an earlier list and wanted to verify it.

Now I am going with Dutch, as the poster read it and would have no reason to say otherwise when she posted a link with this info on it.

By the way...the Grandfather of Aruban tennis is Venezuelan, Humphrey Hose...who would have guessed!

  I did not make the "It's me Jackb quote."  If someone uses my name again to quote, I will mess your computer up so bad you will NEVER have use for it again.  Do it as you will.  I don't put up with that crap.  This IS me Jackb

What is wrong with you?

She was answering you!

Just what and who are you threatening with the following words?
 I will mess your computer up so bad you will NEVER have use for it again.

[jackb]

GVC…hottest guy in Aruba…1st link is Michael Dompig, second two don’t work and the last one is GVC…this is where I found it at Riehl World

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/04/natalee_hollowa_8.html


All these guys have to know each other. GVC worked on snorkeling and parasailing boats. So did M Dompig. They all go after the tourist girls including Joran. It's impossible they all don't know each other.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/425616365/1425697195063453400HgIaHE#
http://community.webshots.com/photo/518010456/1518040021082327657ofmBiQ
http://community.webshots.com/photo/518010456/1518051474082327657SPpgAG
http://community.webshots.com/photo/240708389/1242559385063433796DvPWEv
Posted by: rick | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 07:28 PM

We have seen him in a photo with Steve Croes, yet not with Joran.  I would think if he and Joran were often trolling the beaches for girls we would find photos of them together.  Freddy was known to roam the beaches with Joran and we see them together in photos. We see Freddy with the Kalpoes too.  Where is GVC with them?

Val is into snorkeling and diving as well.  "curly" sort of looks like a curly sloot.  I do not believe it is Val, though.  Also someone said something about a heavy-set Hawaiian-looking dude was in the Casino with some of the sloots or their gang.  This dude looks Hawaiian and is heavy-set.  ALSO:
  It would pay all of them to distance from one another and if they can get ride of those videos, then they can certainly get rid of a few pictures of them together.  They had to be acquainted.  Both GVC and Guido was into mideling and Guido knew GVC.  Joran and GVC maybe never got along that well, as they both seem to want to be Prince of Aruba.  Not room for two of them.  It would be a guess that GVC went to ISA same as Joran, but is a  year or two older than he is.  GVC carried a gun and it is more than likely Joran never cleaned his clock because of GVC's position with the Beach Security and working relationship with the police.  He was probably told by his parents NOT to hang around Joran and group.  He seemed to have his own little crime thing going with the maryjane.  He and Croes were pretty thick and Croes was acquainted with both groups.  Note the Hawaiian-looking dude giving the same pimps sign.  They all knew each other and Croes was most likely the binding agent who would lie for either group as he worked both.  Croes is everybody's buddy as it is financially rewarding to be so.  He would do a favor just as quick for either group, especially if it covered his own azz.   jackb