SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Observer]

Jack:

Whats going on here? Please don't threaten anyone! I am trying to catch up to see what happened?

[jackb]

Lala’s…do you remember anything about the Rainbow Warriors?…A Milton Ponson…is he the father of the of the 2 guys from the Racquet Club? An older woman tied in there as well. Could be the Mom.

Buckeye just posted about the Rainbow Warriors and I recognized the name. There was discussion early on in this thread before I started posting here. I will go back later and see if I can find the posts…just thought you may have a quick answer.(that darned Racquet Club again)...LOL

TIA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2258.0

 

It seems someone wrote very recently that Freddy's mom had some kind of directorhip at the recquet club.   j/b

It was me jackb...but it was SC Bubali and it was checked out the other night on the main thread and she is no longer listed on the list of businesses.

I have a post that said that she was listed as Dutch on an earlier list and wanted to verify it.

Now I am going with Dutch, as the poster read it and would have no reason to say otherwise when she posted a link with this info on it.

By the way...the Grandfather of Aruban tennis is Venezuelan, Humphrey Hose...who would have guessed!

  It's me, it's me earnest T.

[jackb]

Jack:

Whats going on here? Please don't threaten anyone! I am trying to catch up to see what happened?

  It was my own stupid falt.  Misread what was printed.  I am totally nuts.  Sorry, Jack.

Please take that down.  It was nothing.   

[jackb]

Jack:

Whats going on here? Please don't threaten anyone! I am trying to catch up to see what happened?

What happened is (dumbazz me) thought because someone said "It's me Jack b" that they were writing in my name.  They were answering something I wrote.  I am going babanas.  That sort of scared me because I figured they might say something bad and it would be me who was thought to do it.  It just was a silly thing on my part.  J/b

[Observer]

Jack:

Whats going on here? Please don't threaten anyone! I am trying to catch up to see what happened?

  It was my own stupid falt.  Misread what was printed.  I am totally nuts.  Sorry, Jack.

Please take that down.  It was nothing.   

Ok,No problem..Play nice!

[JE]

JE…on the jealous boyfriend.

In Joran’s book, there is a reference to a jealous boyfriend, a David. I am not sure if this is the same David mentioned as going to ASI and whose mother worked for US Customs. I don’t even know if this is David’s real last name that Joran states in the book, probably not. It could also be David Wever or it could also be someone else and Joran used the name ‘David’ as he did with Marco and Guido.

He may have even included this all in his book because of the Simian posts. Who knows…after all the book is listed as fiction.

Here are both the book links…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0

Thx Mum for the links

David mmm... any relation to this one? The one in the bible was daniel

124: Shango Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 1:55 am
Find the music
Only David left the den alive

[JE]

In this thread there are no theories too crazy or off the wall.  That is why they gave me my own thread. LOL  I am the queen of "out of the box".  I would ask how we can establish the LVR was ever in the casino at that time.  He is known as a recluse and from all the silence about him I may agree.  I do however think he would frequent casinos.  Why he would choose the HI one is another mystery.  I can't quite understand why that particular casino seems to attract all the action.  There are so many on Aruba, but the Excelsior seems more prone to illegal activity than the others.  Most likley that is not true...we just hear about the HI one more since Natalee was there last.

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.


I d like to see that tape or know where he (whoever he is) declared that and to whom

[JE]

Jackb and JE...Caps was allowed to post all his theories about Shango and Simian, perhaps the two of you would do the same.  It helps me to follow all theories.  Thanks.

If i ever get to the point where i believe i can make sense of this and tell it in such a way that it is not open to different interpretations i will gladly post it. I believe that if shango/simian and others have a legitimate story to tell and for some reason had to "encode" it there should be a single key or logic to decode it. There is no point in encrypting a message without giving your audience the means to decode it according to a fixed set of rules unless there is no message. For example i dont think the word babylonians can mean one thing in a certain post and something else in an earlier or subsequent post. All forms of cryptography are based on the principle that both sender and receiver have a key to encrypt and decrypt the message.
I am now going over all the post they made from the beginning in relation to other posters comments and the events of that particular day.

If something comes to mind like the whiskered rat/ cinderella story that may or more likely may not have some meaning i will post it in the hope that it will trigger someone else. But as i said before my interpretation is as good as anyones.

what i have now are lots of pieces of a puzzle that don't fit together.

What i am interested in is what triggered simian to go from "normal posting" to the cryptic messages. That happened around the 24th

Off to work on a theory LOL

At this time I agree with you that once a definition is established it would remain the same through out the riddles.  I can't make it change and mean something else either. Simian says that babylonians meant gamblers. So if that is true then much of Colombo's theories are correct. If we think babylonians means the Dutch...then we have a different story there.  When you read the posts in context the terms do get changed from time to time and that is confusing...but Simian and Shango do not confuse them...only the others trying to decipher them.


Simian discovered there was a doppleganger around that time.  Also, I think someone was trying or did find out who Simian was then.  The cryptic messages began just 2 days before Shango arrived on scene.  There is a connection.

I think simian went into crypto mode like you said when there were doppelgangers not only of him but of many posters
there were lots of raunchy comments made by people impersonating others.

on the 25th if i am correct simian used the term babylonians for the first time. I think he meant the police by that(my interpretation). On the 26 shango jumps in and IMO misunderstands simian cause in shango's posts babylonian seems to mean the dutch, the dutch legal system, or corruption. Maybe that is the cause of the confusion

if this a genuine simian post

Simian on June 30th, 2005 12:24 pm

If the Picaros took the girl then why haven’t they radioed in? They have an agenda and they always prove their point.

The Babylonians still have the boy and the Hindus pinched. The Hindus and the boy met again yesterday. The boy fell apart. Another patch is woven. There are no Picaros here, only a boy. So do the Babylonians think.

A slap in the face did the Babylonians receive yesterday from the ones who own the block and the hammer. The boy can recieve the elder. Ha! Their words will be committed to magnet.

The elder is not a capo in the Palace. The palace servants all think he is a failure, but he sure knows his way around. He did break one gate already.


The babylonians still seem to mean the police. The hindus and the boy met again yesterday is related to the police car recording of J and 2K. The police receive a slap in the face cause judge decides PVDS can see his son Their words will be recorded

[JE]

The picaros
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintin_and_the_Picaros
This is from a series of comic books from holland/belgium
The picaros in this story are fictive but the story develops somewhere in south america

[JE]

@VMS thx for the clarification on "Curly" he is in a lot of pics with GVC

[vms]

@VMS thx for the clarification on "Curly" he is in a lot of pics with GVC

You're welcome and yes he is in quite a few pics with GVC. I think I spelled it wrong though. I believe it is Curley.

[JE]

another thing use salt at will and may have been posted before

Simian posts about something rotten from the Hague. Probably refering to the results of DNA analysis from sloots car. He made a point of saying that PVDS could only be arrested if they had hard evidence

Later Shango brings this up by saying the key from the Hague did not exist etc

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark
 
A line from the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare. An officer of the palace guard says this after the ghost of the dead king appears, walking over the palace walls.     1
‡ “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark” is used to describe corruption or a situation in which something is wrong.

Just a thought

[COLOMBO]

In this thread there are no theories too crazy or off the wall.  That is why they gave me my own thread. LOL  I am the queen of "out of the box".  I would ask how we can establish the LVR was ever in the casino at that time.  He is known as a recluse and from all the silence about him I may agree.  I do however think he would frequent casinos.  Why he would choose the HI one is another mystery.  I can't quite understand why that particular casino seems to attract all the action.  There are so many on Aruba, but the Excelsior seems more prone to illegal activity than the others.  Most likley that is not true...we just hear about the HI one more since Natalee was there last.

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.


I d like to see that tape or know where he (whoever he is) declared that and to whom

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/25/michael-posner-upset-over-excelsior-casino-security-tapes-to-abc/

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.

First guy never denies the affair.

The father was confronted with evidence.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.
The boy is mutilating his own tongue. He doesn’t want to let the old man down.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:54 pm
…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

[COLOMBO]

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/09/paulus-van-der-sloot-and-the-man-at-the-excelsior-casino-you-make-the-call/

[JE]

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/09/paulus-van-der-sloot-and-the-man-at-the-excelsior-casino-you-make-the-call/

I always understood the legal checkmate to mean like simian said
1. PVDS can't testify for or against his son or any member of his family
2. PVDS can't incriminate himself

In other words he cant help his son even if he would admit he had someting to do with it and not his son.
He can sing any tune but it wont help cuz either way it is not admissible

Are you saying he is the cool and crazy guy? He must have a very hidden side if he is. On the other hand if he is the only one on tape(as far as we know) and cant deny that. What makes me doubt this is where jealousy comes in. I can't start to understand a father confronting his son about going out with a girl that he had been seeing before the son did.

Do you believe PVDS is the "boyfriend" from earlier in the week?

[COLOMBO]

forgot to include.....

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon.
The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue. His sore and bloody tongue.

[COLOMBO]

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/09/paulus-van-der-sloot-and-the-man-at-the-excelsior-casino-you-make-the-call/

I always understood the legal checkmate to mean like simian said
1. PVDS can't testify for or against his son or any member of his family
2. PVDS can't incriminate himself

In other words he cant help his son even if he would admit he had someting to do with it and not his son.
He can sing any tune but it wont help cuz either way it is not admissible

Are you saying he is the cool and crazy guy? He must have a very hidden side if he is. On the other hand if he is the only one on tape(as far as we know) and cant deny that. What makes me doubt this is where jealousy comes in. I can't start to understand a father confronting his son about going out with a girl that he had been seeing before the son did.

Do you believe PVDS is the "boyfriend" from earlier in the week?

I don't buy the jealousy motive.....the Simian himself talks about occupancy, revenues, and what is the island's best advertisement.....while Shango has no reservations about the real underlying motivations

[COLOMBO]

curiously, Simian does not use PVDS name until he knew (IMO) that it would hit the news:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go
Paulus' duties were suspended on or about 6/17/05.
He had been brought in for questioning that day

[JE]

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/09/paulus-van-der-sloot-and-the-man-at-the-excelsior-casino-you-make-the-call/

I always understood the legal checkmate to mean like simian said
1. PVDS can't testify for or against his son or any member of his family
2. PVDS can't incriminate himself

In other words he cant help his son even if he would admit he had someting to do with it and not his son.
He can sing any tune but it wont help cuz either way it is not admissible

Are you saying he is the cool and crazy guy? He must have a very hidden side if he is. On the other hand if he is the only one on tape(as far as we know) and cant deny that. What makes me doubt this is where jealousy comes in. I can't start to understand a father confronting his son about going out with a girl that he had been seeing before the son did.

Do you believe PVDS is the "boyfriend" from earlier in the week?

I don't buy the jealousy motive.....the Simian himself talks about occupancy, revenues, and what is the island's best advertisement.....while Shango has no reservations about the real underlying motivations

as in

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

That makes sense if i put my mind in very sleazy mode. But then we still have simian bringing up the boyfriend being on tape and all. Why would he say that if revenues etc were his prime concern?

[JE]

curiously, Simian does not use PVDS name until he knew (IMO) that it would hit the news:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go
Paulus' duties were suspended on or about 6/17/05.
He had been brought in for questioning that day

He had to be let go  is the 5th suspect that is not mentioned by name.

From what i saw in a Nova interview PVDS said he took time off from his job himself. So as not to be thought of as a person with a conflict of interest. Judging by the chronological order of arrests he was indeed the 5th suspect. But for the life of me i just can't fit in the cool and crazy guy and him being the host of the party. Unless the party is supposed to mean the tragic chain of events. But then he is still not the cool and crazy guy