Good Morning Monkeys
I remembered Wreck posted stuff to Freddy's PV's from Jorans book
So I had to peek at them..
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2dorv5Not being able to see the original doc. and not able to read Dutch I still take them with my BAG of Salt..
But interesting to say the least.
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The police began interviewing Joran's friends, including Fredy. This "annoyed" Joran because he felt that Freddy was only involved because he was Joran's friend.
Freddy's June 12th statement as set out in the book:
I am Joran’s best friend and neighbor. We got to know each other about
two years ago. Joran and I practice sports together a lot, that is how we
became good friends. Monday afternoon May 30th Joran came to my house. He told me that, the day before, Sunday, in the Holiday Inn Casino, he met a girl and she had asked him to come to Carlos 'n Charlies in the evening.
He went and they have danced there and have drunk. After that he has driven away with Deepak, Satish and the girl. Her friends saw that. They drove in the direction of the lighthouse; a white car drove behind them and probably wanted to race against Deepak. But Deepak would never do such a thing.
Joran told (me)that he had fingered and kissed the girl. He did not say he had sex with the girl. They drove towards the lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove until the lighthouse, because his car was low and could not drive to the north side of Aruba.
P153
The girl said that if the Kalpoe brothers would had lived in her city,
they would have been slaves. After this they drove to the hotel. When the
girl opened the door of the car she fell on the ground. Joran wanted to help her, but she pushed him away. [...]
The next day, Tuesday May 31st, 2005 in the afternoon I was with Joran
at the Racquet Club. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I remembered
what he told me about the girl the day before, I said yes. The girl appeared to be missing.
The FBI was at his home at night, but he wasn't there. His father phoned as to where he was, Joran said in the Radisson Casino. He told that after the phone call he was called by Deepak and that Deepak picked him
up a few minutes later. They drove to Jorans house. The FBI and family of
the girl were at his home.
After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and he didn't drop off the missing girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them had driven to the beach north of the Mariott Hotel. The girl fell multiple times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point the girl didn't recover anymore and that they had left her on the beach. He also told that he left his sport shoes on the beach. After Joran told me this I asked him why he had left her behind. He answered me that he didn't know
what to do at that moment.
Joran told me that after that he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
On Friday evening June 3rd, I met Joran at his house. [...] He told me that during this period he could not remember if they bought food or did something else.
P. 154
Joran characterizes Freddy's statement as remarkable, primarily because it was only in the night of May 30th May 31st that Joran concocted the HI drop off story as until he learned Natalee was missing, he had no reason to lie about his leaving Natalee on the beach.
Joran believes Freddy got the dates wrong and that he told Freddy the lie on May 31st. Joran denies having stated that the girl fell unconscious and that "we" left her on the beach. Joran does not consider the mistakes strange as witnesses often have problems concerning dates, events from almost two weeks earlier.
That night (presumably the 12th) Freddy and his parents visited the VDS parents and Freddy told them and Antonio Carlo what had happened.
Freddy (verbatim):
I could see on Anita's face that she did not know Joran had left the girl on the beach and that he has lost his shoes. I also told that Joran, Deepak, Satish and me had talked about it that I would buy new shoes for Joran. Anita couldn’t believe what I was telling her (as in amazed)."
Carlo quizzed Freddy about a number of details including Joran's abandoning his shoes. Freddy's explanation was that Joran "did not want to walk with his shoes on the beach and probably he left them behind because of that.
P. 155
Freddy again told his version of his and Joran's May 30th conversation. Carlo constantly asks Freddy why Freddy thought Joran said or did what Freddy was relating Joran said or did.
Paulus says nothing to Freddy but did ask Anita "Why does Joran lie, and why did he not tell us.
Carlo visits Joran at Jail and confronts him with Freddy's statement. At this point Joran admits that he had lied and that "Freddy was telling the truth."
Joran claims that he became heartsick after seeing his mother outside the jail crying.
On Monday June 13th, the police tried to turn Joran against the Kalpoes, tellling him that "Deepak says bad things about you. Jacobs also repeatedly said "Deepak and Satish tell us you did something bad, Joran don't forget that and concider this carefully."
P. 156
Jacobs also says that he does not believe the Kalpoes, but believes Joran. "Since they are brothers, brothers stick together. They'll turn against you when it's in their benefit. what do you think is more important family or friends."
Joran became confused. He didn't know what happened to Natalee. He was in jail and was lying and now the Kalpoes are lying about him, so the only possibility is that they did something to the girl. Why would the Kalpoes speak badly about Joran when they said they did nothig bad to the girl.
Van der Straaten arrives and tells Joran that he "has known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland, that you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed to a mental institution. You only have to tell the truth."
Van Der Stratten's PV of June 13th, as excerpted in the book, reads as follows:
On my question to Joran if he can tell what happened after the girl had
fallen asleep at the Fisherman's huts, he answers: “I called Deepak and
he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and done something to
her.”
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On my question where the girl then is buried, he answers: I think she’s
buried next to the Fisherman's Huts, other then that I wouldn’t know.
Joran says that this is an example of the way the police can put words
in your mouth and in a credibility contest, the police commissioner would prevail over Joran
Joran claims the police could manufacture statements and that the police would go pretty far afield. "We" even considered the possibilituy that the police would plant evidence to close the case given the pressure they were under.
I propose Joran to answer the following question with just yes or no. I ask Joran if the girl was thrown into the sea? He answers: “No, I mean, I don't know.” During the conversation Joran shows varying emotions. Sometimes he cries, sometimes he is very direct in his answers. Joran also indicated he felt very sorry for his family, and that he is having the best contact with his father. I ask him why he then has lied to his father about the Holiday Inn. Joran responds that he has disappointed his father by doing so.
On June 13th, Joran withdraws his previous statements that Deepak dropped Natalee off by himself at the Holiday Inn. Joran says that his third statement was not entirely the truth and that "I am now willing to tell the full truth" which is as follows:
P. 158.
That Deepak, Satish and Natalee early morning have driven to my
house is true. Deepak drives, Satish sits besides him, and Natalee and
I are on the backseat. Around 1:40AM we stop in front of my house. I ask her if she want to come with me to my apartment, because I want to sleep with her. I would after that call a cab for her that would bring her to the hotel. Natalee does not want to enter, but she all of a sudden wants to see sharks at North coast. She speaks normal and her eyes are normal also, but she was a little drunk and often fell half asleep.
Then we pass her hotel, but she does not want to go there. I tell
Deepak to drop us off at the Fisherman's huts. It is my intention to walk back from there to the Holiday Inn and have sex on the way. She leans on me after we got out of the car and while kissing we walk into the direction of the Holiday Inn, but Natalee wants to walk into the other direction.
When we arrive at the Fisherman's huts we kiss. She wants to stay sleeping on the beach, I want to go home, I have try-exams the next day. I tell her I have to go home and that I am walking with
her into the direction of the hotel. Natalee does not want to go back
to her hotel, she wants me to to stay
with her looking at the stars and tells me again that she does not want
to go home. I lift her up and walk a while, but she wants me to put her
down.
Around 3:00 AM I call Deepak and ask him to pick me up. He asks where
the girl is. I say that she is sleeping on the beach and does not want to
listen to me. He would come immediately.
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I wake her up and tell her that I am going to bring her to her hotel.
She refuses and continues to sleep. I think if it is not better to lift her
up and take her with me. I am lying next to Natalee thinking for 10
minutes, while she sleeps. I do not say anything to her, because her eyes are closed.
When I hear Deepak's car arrive I wake her up again, and still she
doesn’t want to come to with me to her hotel. I get up and walk to the car. I tell Satish that Natalee is sleeping on the beach. Satish answers: “Don't f*** with that bitch, someone will find her tomorrow.”
Around 3:30AM Satish drops me off at my house. I have left my shoes on the beach. Satish tells me he will go get them the next day.
To your question about what happened to Natalee, I answer you that I
don’t know. If Deepak and Satish don’t know what happened to Natalee, then I don’t know it either."
The police confront Joran with Freddy's statements. Joran insists that he first told Freddy the HI story on June 1st in the presence of Deepak and Satish. Freddy had stated that Joran told him the HI story on May 30th and the story that all three had left Natalee on the beach on May 31st.
The PV continues:
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You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first
story on May 30th 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this could be true. You are informing me that
Freddy is stating that I told him Natalee went unconscious several times on the way to the beach of the Marriott Hotel. That she at a certain moment did not regain consciousness and that we have left her on the beach. I don't know what to answer to this, because according to me, I did not tell the story to Freddy this way.
That Freddy has stated that we did not know what to do when she did not
recover and that we then left her on the beach and that I left my sport
shoes behind, that is not correct. This did not happen this way. I have
left my sport shoes at the Marriott beach. I think Freddy did not correctly
understand what I told him.
In a second statement on June 13th, Freddy "keeps insisting" that Joran told him the HI story on May 30th. In his sixth and seventh statements Freddy repeated that Joran had unsuccesfully tried to revive an unconsious Natalee and that Joran thought that a black tourist couple on the beach would look after Natalee.
P. 161
The excerpt from Freddy's statement is as follows:
During the entire conversation Joran spoke of "we" not "I", also when
he said that "we" had left the girl behind. Joran did not tell me the girl was dead. He never used the word "dead".
He also did not say if he checked her wrists to see if she still had a
pulse, and if she was still breathing. I got the impression he was assuming
that he had left her behind alive. He also did not tell me that other people
had come to him. Joran does not use drugs. Joran also did not tell me that he had given the girl drugs or that he saw her using drugs.
Joran claims that Freddy was terrified because as a Venezuelan, he could have been deported from Aruba. He became a "puppet" and did everything he could to avoid arrest. Freddy's family was also concerned and panicked and in Joran's opinion, the police put words in Freddy's mouth.
In describing the PV's Joran explains that they are typed out in Dutch and the mother tongue of the person giving the statement (in Freddy's case Papiamento). This leads to some errors and the deponents are not given sufficient time to review the statements thoroughly or perhaps do not understand the statements if they are in Dutch.
Joran claims that bricklayer stated that he saw Joran rape Natalee and strangle her with a scarf, which along with a condom were now in Venezuela.
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It turns out this man told this story to get some cash from Jossy Mansur and later admitted to the police that he lied.
