Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/5/2007

[San]

Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

[bleachedblack]

 

[mrs. red]

Hey y'all....

[blah]

thanks Mrs Red, it is indeed all crusty around the lid.

But i DO like to live on the edge, hmmmm

 

[Auntiem]

throw it out

[Auntiem]

 

[blah]

alright alright, i'll go with the salsa, just got it the other day

 

[IBE]

Good Morning all!!

Am behind in reading about 10 pages. I think. What have I missed?

Mrs. Red, I have an idea about a compromise and another about something that might work for all concerned. Did you get me email?

Am going over to Albert's store in about a 1/2 hr. and work on being a yenta.

Don't forget Monkeys... watch Geraldo's show on Fox News channel (cable, I think) tonight for breaking news on the young girl missing, Donna Jou and maybe about TES.

Depending on what is said, Monkeys may have to just into action. depending on what is presented on the show or maybe what is not.

[truthseeker2]

In response to the tranlation Klaas posted in the last thread (Surprise...somebody ain't telling the truth.):

Freddy said Joran told him on 05/30/05
He went and they have danced there

Joran’s PV 06/09/05
After I had refused to dance with Natalee Deepak, Satish and myself walked to the bar.

They drove in the direction of the lighthouse

In Greta’s interview Joran never places them at the lighthouse.  He says they went to his house but never got out of the car.

The girl said that if the Kalpoe brothers would had lived in her city,
they would have been slaves.

Deepak’s PV on 06/11/05
To your question whether the girl had made racist comment to us, I can say the following. The girl made no comment like that to us.

The next day, Tuesday May 31st, 2005 in the afternoon I was with Joran at the Racquet Club. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I remembered what he told me about the girl the day before, I said yes. The girl appeared to be missing.

Joran knew the girl was missing.  He is either setting the stage with Freddy or he and Freddy are making up the lies on 05/30/05.

The FBI was at his home at night, but he wasn't there. His father phoned as to where he was, Joran said in the Radisson Casino. He told that after the phone call he was called by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later.

That sequence of events is out of whack.  Deepak was already with Joran when he got the call from Paulus.

Joran believes Freddy got the dates wrong and that he told Freddy the lie on May 31st. Joran denies having stated that the girl fell unconscious and that "we" left her on the beach. Joran does not consider the mistakes strange as witnesses often have problems concerning dates, events from almost two weeks earlier.

Or….”That damned Freddy can’ get the story straight!!!  I told him what to say and he can’t get it right.  Do I have do everything around here?!”

Carlo visits Joran at Jail and confronts him with Freddy's statement. At this point Joran admits that he had lied and that "Freddy was telling the truth."

So which is it…Freddy got it wrong or Freddy was right???

Joran claims the police could manufacture statements and that the police would go pretty far afield. "We" even considered the possibilituy that the police would plant evidence to close the case given the pressure they were under.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:26 pm
The maze of Babylon is very difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent
The Arawaks cannot reveal their singing card
many teepees would be destroyed and the cowboys would get upset
the singing card is bad luck for wampum for many moons
So there must be some type of sacrifice
The gods are hungry, the cowboys are hungry
Great disruption in the halls of babylonian palace

She speaks normal and her eyes are normal also, but she was a little drunk and often fell half asleep.

This whole statement is contradictory.  You don’t look normal if you are a “little drunk and often fall(ing) half asleep”.

Around 3:30AM Satish drops me off at my house. I have left my shoes on the beach. Satish tells me he will go get them the next day.

You just have to call BS on this one.  Why would Satish go back to get Joran’s shoes for him unless he is indeed Joran’s slave.  Sounds like Joran thinks of the Kalpoes as slaves, not Natalee.

That Freddy has stated that we did not know what to do when she did not recover and that we then left her on the beach and that I left my sport shoes behind, that is not correct. This did not happen this way. I have left my sport shoes at the Marriott beach. I think Freddy did not correctly understand what I told him.

Once again Freddy is not telling the lies the way he is supposed to.  Or, Joran has changed the story since going to jail and Freddy doesn’t know about the change in plans…like SGC.

In a second statement on June 13th, Freddy "keeps insisting" that Joran told him the HI story on May 30th. In his sixth and seventh statements Freddy repeated that Joran had unsuccesfully tried to revive an unconsious Natalee and that Joran thought that a black tourist couple on the beach would look after Natalee.

Why do these people keep trying to blame a black person (people)?

[klaasend]

Shelf life of cocktail sauce:

http://www.msnbc.com/OnAir/nbc/Dateline/Food/shelf.asp

Catsup, tomato; cocktail sauce or chili sauce

Shelf-stable
foods
Unopenedon shelf (12 months)
Opened,refrigerated (6 months)
Opened on shelf ( 1 month)

[IBE]

Anyone know Geraldo's email.. one that really works? TIA

[blah]

More from the religion if peace
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292090,00.html

on top of that, could you even begin to imagine the outrage if we created a "Your White Christian Bakery" ?  Seems they are doing more thank just baking cookies in this joint...

"The search warrant yielded several weapons and other evidence of value including evidence linking the murder of Chauncey Bailey to members of the Your Black Muslim Bakery," said Assistant Police Chief Howard Jordan, who said the raids were part of a yearlong investigation into a variety of violent crimes."

http://www.ybmb.com/

[mrs. red]

thanks Mrs Red, it is indeed all crusty around the lid.

But i DO like to live on the edge, hmmmm

 

that's not the edge to live on... LOL

[blah]

also a little odd how thier "lectures Online" link seems to be down since this story broke, huh

http://www.ybmb.com/

[mrs. red]

More from the religion if peace
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292090,00.html

on top of that, could you even begin to imagine the outrage if we created a "Your White Christian Bakery" ?  Seems they are doing more thank just baking cookies in this joint...

"The search warrant yielded several weapons and other evidence of value including evidence linking the murder of Chauncey Bailey to members of the Your Black Muslim Bakery," said Assistant Police Chief Howard Jordan, who said the raids were part of a yearlong investigation into a variety of violent crimes."

http://www.ybmb.com/

did you read the front page story???

[klaasend]

Anyone know Geraldo's email.. one that really works? TIA

Did you try this one?

Atlarge@foxnews.com

[blah]

Shelf life of cocktail sauce:

http://www.msnbc.com/OnAir/nbc/Dateline/Food/shelf.asp

Catsup, tomato; cocktail sauce or chili sauce

Shelf-stable
foods
Unopenedon shelf (12 months)
Opened,refrigerated (6 months)
Opened on shelf ( 1 month)

thank you, thank you very much   

[blah]

More from the religion if peace
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292090,00.html

on top of that, could you even begin to imagine the outrage if we created a "Your White Christian Bakery" ?  Seems they are doing more thank just baking cookies in this joint...

"The search warrant yielded several weapons and other evidence of value including evidence linking the murder of Chauncey Bailey to members of the Your Black Muslim Bakery," said Assistant Police Chief Howard Jordan, who said the raids were part of a yearlong investigation into a variety of violent crimes."

http://www.ybmb.com/

did you read the front page story???

no, didnt know there was one, i'll go check it out

[IBE]

Mrs. Red, did you see my post?

[IBE]

Thanks Klaas, I will.