Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/5/2007

[IBE]

I hope Red will be writing a story on the Front Page about the "search efforts" after Geraldo's show.

[Auntiem]

    I believe Joran has "a little bit of knowledge" regarding the South....and we all know how a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.....Either that or the schools on Aruba are back a few centuries and he is caught up in Ante-Bellum South thinking....ergo he thought Natalee was a Southern Belle from a Plantation!!!  What an idiot....   Maybe we should send them some updated history books!!!!

[mrs. red]

Mrs. Red, did you see my post?

IBE... I did see it.  Are you emailing me?

[CJ1]

About the shoes being left on the beach...I would suspect that there was evidence on them and Joran didn't want anyone looking for them around the house.  It was also a good cover for his parents.  If his parents bought them for him in FL (I think I read that), they may not be available in Aruba.  I believe they are rather expensive and his parents may get angry about him losing them, but it would be an excuse that his parents would believe and his mother would jump down anyone's throat that didn't believe her son.  Years ago I knew a kid that would only wear KSwiss and he guarded them with his life.  If Joran could get them cleaned up he could just say he found them. 

[Tamikosmom]

That translation from Scrux is full of interesting stuff. Thx for posting it, Klaas.

Those shoes...........I know, Mrs. Red thinks that maybe Joran kept and wore them, and maybe he did. But the shoes were something they felt needed to addressed early on. Why?

After the "something bad" happened at the VDS residence ... I contend that the plan was to take Natalee to the Marriott Beach and leave her there to be discovered the next morning ... dead of a drug overdose.  Deepak dropped Joran, Freddy and a deceased Natalee off at the Marriot Beach and ... he then drove his vehicle across the street and parked it near the Racquet Ball club.  I tend to agree with Dave Holloways theory regarding what happened to Joran shoes.

I suspect that Joran had second thoughts about leaving Natalee's body on the beach when he considered the forensic evidence that would reveal a sexual assault ... a beating.  I speculate that Joran, Deepak and Freddy were discussing this issue when the gardener observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle.  Later Paulus was contacted and ... enters the scenario .....

Janet


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area.

[mrs. red]

   I believe Joran has "a little bit of knowledge" regarding the South....and we all know how a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.....Either that or the schools on Aruba are back a few centuries and he is caught up in Ante-Bellum South thinking....ergo he thought Natalee was a Southern Belle from a Plantation!!!  What an idiot....   Maybe we should send them some updated history books!!!!

I think that it's the island that has a race problem... notice joran keeps trying to place the blame on black security guards, black tourists, etc.   
He just assumed that a white girl would be into this way of thinking... that here in the US it wouldn't be questioned, the media seems to love to crank up the race issue...

[Auntiem]

   That a good theory, but wasn't there only ONE shoe missing at first?

[klaasend]

I hope Red will be writing a story on the Front Page about the "search efforts" after Geraldo's show.

I bet he will. 

[mrs. red]

About the shoes being left on the beach...I would suspect that there was evidence on them and Joran didn't want anyone looking for them around the house.  It was also a good cover for his parents.  If his parents bought them for him in FL (I think I read that), they may not be available in Aruba.  I believe they are rather expensive and his parents may get angry about him losing them, but it would be an excuse that his parents would believe and his mother would jump down anyone's throat that didn't believe her son.  Years ago I knew a kid that would only wear KSwiss and he guarded them with his life.  If Joran could get them cleaned up he could just say he found them. 

yep, and he was smirking all the way to the proverbial bank thinking that he had "got this one over on them".

[klaasend]

That translation from Scrux is full of interesting stuff. Thx for posting it, Klaas.

Those shoes...........I know, Mrs. Red thinks that maybe Joran kept and wore them, and maybe he did. But the shoes were something they felt needed to addressed early on. Why?

After the "something bad" happened at the VDS residence ... I contend that the plan was to take Natalee to the Marriott Beach and leave her there to be discovered the next morning ... dead of a drug overdose.  Deepak dropped Joran, Freddy and a deceased Natalee off at the Marriot Beach and ... he then drove his vehicle across the street and parked it near the Racquet Ball club.  I tend to agree with Dave Holloways theory regarding what happened to Joran shoes.

I suspect that Joran had second thoughts about leaving Natalee's body on the beach when he considered the forensic evidence that would reveal a sexual assault ... a beating.  I speculate that Joran, Deepak and Freddy were discussing this issue when the gardener observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle.  Later Paulus was contacted and ... enters the scenario .....

Janet


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area.

Yes, very plausible.  Also fits in with my theory that Natalee was never alive with Joran at the Marriott Beach.

[Auntiem]

  The island, the Dutch have a race problem, Mrs, Red, ....very similar to South Africa in the wasy they refer to the different colors of people.  

[Easywriter]

alright alright, i'll go with the salsa, just got it the other day

 

Recently I was going to put some BBQ sauce on some sausage.  Decided to look at the label and it said, “best used by June ‘03”   

That caused me to look at all my ketchup and stuff like that.  Emptied my frige out and started over.  I don't mind ruffin' it, but I ain't gonna risk things getting that ruff!

[Auntiem]

 Easy, check your Mayo!!!!

[blah]

   I believe Joran has "a little bit of knowledge" regarding the South....and we all know how a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.....Either that or the schools on Aruba are back a few centuries and he is caught up in Ante-Bellum South thinking....ergo he thought Natalee was a Southern Belle from a Plantation!!!  What an idiot....   Maybe we should send them some updated history books!!!!

I think that it's the island that has a race problem... notice joran keeps trying to place the blame on black security guards, black tourists, etc.   
He just assumed that a white girl would be into this way of thinking... that here in the US it wouldn't be questioned, the media seems to love to crank up the race issue...

I think that island has some very major misconceptions about how the real world really works, and this race thing is a big one.  Inside of their little drug haven, their social skills are stuck in the 1800's.  Their "bury your head in the sand" mentality has kept the minorities from making any gains in civil rights, and quite frankly, they still think the rest of the world operates this way.  Aruba is the real "Lost World".

[IBE]

Mrs. Red, did you see my post?

IBE... I did see it.  Are you emailing me?

I emailed you a big one last night about all the challenges and et al. Did you get it?  About midnight pdt Did you get it?

Am working on an info sheet for Mr. Vera now. and an email to Geraldo about something he should also say...

[truthseeker2]

   I believe Joran has "a little bit of knowledge" regarding the South....and we all know how a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.....Either that or the schools on Aruba are back a few centuries and he is caught up in Ante-Bellum South thinking....ergo he thought Natalee was a Southern Belle from a Plantation!!!  What an idiot....   Maybe we should send them some updated history books!!!!

The history books can be sent, but you have to remember, history is always written by the winners.

[blah]

alright alright, i'll go with the salsa, just got it the other day

 

Recently I was going to put some BBQ sauce on some sausage.  Decided to look at the label and it said, “best used by June ‘03”   

That caused me to look at all my ketchup and stuff like that.  Emptied my frige out and started over.  I don't mind ruffin' it, but I ain't gonna risk things getting that ruff!

I was at my uncle's a few weeks ago for a BBQ.  When time came around to eat, he took some Brats and rather than the typical kethcup, mustard, onions, sauerkraut, whatever, he smothered them with salsa.  I had to try it and i'll tell, it was really good!!!  Try it sometime!!

[mrs. red]

i did ibe, my response is short - seems like you are moving right along... and doing a great job!

[blah]

as a side note - always, ALWAYS keep a jar of salsa around, its good for many many things and it will get you out of a jam!!!

 

[Easywriter]

Easy, check your Mayo!!!!

I never trust mayo, but didn't give much thought to ketchup and mustard.  That stuff has dates on it too!