Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/5/2007

[mrs. red]

I think that the arm was a person's...and not at all what they tried to claim...

So do I! It's so typical of the case, because no one reliable ever got to test that bone, and where is it now? It probably has a lighthouse belt wrapped around it lying on a bloody mattress stuffed in a pristinely clean Honda! 

summed up nicely!

[fran]

Hi Monkeys!  I've been lurking and reading (doing laundry too).  I think Lorenzo is involved somehow too.  There for a while, I thought maybe he was the one in the Holiday Inn Video sitting next to Natalee instead of Paulus, but I think someone acknowledged it was Paulus.  He may have been the one Paulus called to dispose of the body.   

Hi Jasmine! Aren't you a cutie!  That video irritates me to no end. WHY hasn't the entrance/exit video of the man sitting next to Natalee come out? We all saw Nat and Joran come in, so you know it exists!

IIRC, and I could be wrong, but isn't that video from the place Ben King owns? I thought I read, when it was first released, he was pizzed it got out to the media. Wasn't it first revealed on Joran's first U.S. interview?

Anyway, it got dropped like a hot potato by Aruba but it pops back into the  U.S. media once in awhile when brought up by people like Dave, Beth, or JQK.

JMHO
fran

[Carnut]

I think the getting Nat to another bar within CnC's was important because that was the process of getting her away from her group and to a more secluded and controlled location so they could provide her with the drugged drink.

And thereafter be able to keep an eye on her and help steer her in the direction the perps intended.

[Destiny]

Hello Fran! You are nekkid maybe CBB will dress you with an avi...she and Klaas do great avitars.

Destiny

[mrs. red]

I think the getting Nat to another bar within CnC's was important because that was the process of getting her away from her group and to a more secluded and controlled location so they could provide her with the drugged drink.

And thereafter be able to keep an eye on her and help steer her in the direction the perps intended.

but Car, it's pretty well established, IMO that CnC's was where she was initally drugged... I think they gave her more once they got her away.... and I also think that since he had been pretending to be a guest of the hotel and on spring break himself that she had no idea what she had done...

[crazybabyborg]

Hello Fran! You are nekkid maybe CBB will dress you with an avi...she and Klaas do great avitars.

Destiny

I'd be happy to help, Fran. Just give me something to go on. 

[mrs. red]

I think the getting Nat to another bar within CnC's was important because that was the process of getting her away from her group and to a more secluded and controlled location so they could provide her with the drugged drink.

And thereafter be able to keep an eye on her and help steer her in the direction the perps intended.

but Car, it's pretty well established, IMO that CnC's was where she was initally drugged... I think they gave her more once they got her away.... and I also think that since he had been pretending to be a guest of the hotel and on spring break himself that she had no idea what she had done...

edit... I mean she had no idea that she wasn't going on the way to the hotel.... and if she did scream out of the window... it was to scream help only no one could hear her over the roar of the "loud car"

[Carnut]

I think the getting Nat to another bar within CnC's was important because that was the process of getting her away from her group and to a more secluded and controlled location so they could provide her with the drugged drink.

And thereafter be able to keep an eye on her and help steer her in the direction the perps intended.

but Car, it's pretty well established, IMO that CnC's was where she was initally drugged... I think they gave her more once they got her away.... and I also think that since he had been pretending to be a guest of the hotel and on spring break himself that she had no idea what she had done...

Uh, how does that differ from what I said?

[2NJSons_Mom]

    It was Choose a Name that burned down......I think that MIP6 or Mark Purcell mentioned or worked as a bar tender there.  Or maybe told soneone to come hang out there with him.

Both Choose a Name AND Moomba's had a fire.

Funny how bars tend to have fires, several local bars here have had fires as well.

Seems to be an industry problem.

I suspicion fires tend to provide a source of income to some from insurance when income isn't covering expenses.

When drinking age was 18 in NY, there were many bars that the NJ kids went to....when the age changed to 21 those bars, especially those around lakes & resort areas started to mysteriously burn...one after the other.  You are correct, Carnut....it's also happened in the decades since because the liabilities now involve much more, espcially if minors are served or someone leaves under the influence and hurts someone.

[Carnut]

I think the getting Nat to another bar within CnC's was important because that was the process of getting her away from her group and to a more secluded and controlled location so they could provide her with the drugged drink.

And thereafter be able to keep an eye on her and help steer her in the direction the perps intended.

but Car, it's pretty well established, IMO that CnC's was where she was initally drugged... I think they gave her more once they got her away.... and I also think that since he had been pretending to be a guest of the hotel and on spring break himself that she had no idea what she had done...

edit... I mean she had no idea that she wasn't going on the way to the hotel.... and if she did scream out of the window... it was to scream help only no one could hear her over the roar of the "loud car"

I agree.

[Mere]

I think the getting Nat to another bar within CnC's was important because that was the process of getting her away from her group and to a more secluded and controlled location so they could provide her with the drugged drink.

And thereafter be able to keep an eye on her and help steer her in the direction the perps intended.

Wonder why they did not steer her right out the back door to the Kalpoe's car....surely there is a back door to the parking lot....(things I think about)....

[klaasend]

Hi Monkeys!  I've been lurking and reading (doing laundry too).  I think Lorenzo is involved somehow too.  There for a while, I thought maybe he was the one in the Holiday Inn Video sitting next to Natalee instead of Paulus, but I think someone acknowledged it was Paulus.  He may have been the one Paulus called to dispose of the body.   

Hi Jasmine! Aren't you a cutie!  That video irritates me to no end. WHY hasn't the entrance/exit video of the man sitting next to Natalee come out? We all saw Nat and Joran come in, so you know it exists!

IIRC, and I could be wrong, but isn't that video from the place Ben King owns? I thought I read, when it was first released, he was pizzed it got out to the media. Wasn't it first revealed on Joran's first U.S. interview?

Anyway, it got dropped like a hot potato by Aruba but it pops back into the  U.S. media once in awhile when brought up by people like Dave, Beth, or JQK.

JMHO
fran

Not Ben King.  It's the casino that Mike Posner owns.  Posner was pissed the video was released to the media.

[mrs. red]

I think the getting Nat to another bar within CnC's was important because that was the process of getting her away from her group and to a more secluded and controlled location so they could provide her with the drugged drink.

And thereafter be able to keep an eye on her and help steer her in the direction the perps intended.

but Car, it's pretty well established, IMO that CnC's was where she was initally drugged... I think they gave her more once they got her away.... and I also think that since he had been pretending to be a guest of the hotel and on spring break himself that she had no idea what she had done...

Uh, how does that differ from what I said?

i missed the word within...

[klaasend]

I think the getting Nat to another bar within CnC's was important because that was the process of getting her away from her group and to a more secluded and controlled location so they could provide her with the drugged drink.

And thereafter be able to keep an eye on her and help steer her in the direction the perps intended.

Wonder why they did not steer her right out the back door to the Kalpoe's car....surely there is a back door to the parking lot....(things I think about)....

No - the back door does NOT lead to the parking lot where Deepak's car was.  You have to walk out the front door of CnC and walk all the way to the end of the street then walk back behind the buildings.

[ldstlou]

So will there be a court date for Lorenzo, or is this another example of a thug being set free by the Aruban legal system?

Hello all...I am reading backwards so excuse me if this has been asked and answered. I never understood why you all kept talking about Lorenzo except he was rumored to be jorans half brother..then the other day I read the lorenzo thread..wow...now I know why you think he was involved. I missed all those early posts about him.

So 1st question...did anyone ever check old newspaper articles to see if his dad committed suicide...and was it really a "suicide" or a suicide. lol you know what I mean.

[klaasend]

Need to run to the store, brb

[mrs. red]

So will there be a court date for Lorenzo, or is this another example of a thug being set free by the Aruban legal system?

Hello all...I am reading backwards so excuse me if this has been asked and answered. I never understood why you all kept talking about Lorenzo except he was rumored to be jorans half brother..then the other day I read the lorenzo thread..wow...now I know why you think he was involved. I missed all those early posts about him.

So 1st question...did anyone ever check old newspaper articles to see if his dad committed suicide...and was it really a "suicide" or a suicide. lol you know what I mean.

well that thought had crossed my mind before... but it could have been a suicide...for real...

so many lies... so little time...

[Observer]

I think that the arm was a person's...and not at all what they tried to claim...

I agree mrs. red.

as hard as it is to say, I wonder if it's Natalee's?  Also, what ever happened the woman who found evidence on the beach??

Hi Everyone

I wonder if a bone specialist could tell by the photo if that was human or a primate? Also the 2 bones they found in Aruba I would imagine are long gone since they determined those to be donkey bones

[crazybabyborg]

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[ldstlou]

So will there be a court date for Lorenzo, or is this another example of a thug being set free by the Aruban legal system?

Hello all...I am reading backwards so excuse me if this has been asked and answered. I never understood why you all kept talking about Lorenzo except he was rumored to be jorans half brother..then the other day I read the lorenzo thread..wow...now I know why you think he was involved. I missed all those early posts about him.

So 1st question...did anyone ever check old newspaper articles to see if his dad committed suicide...and was it really a "suicide" or a suicide. lol you know what I mean.

well that thought had crossed my mind before... but it could have been a suicide...for real...

so many lies... so little time...

wonder if the aruba b=newspaper archives go back that far...it would probably be about what 5 years back now? I could look them up if someone tells me how. It was said dad used drugs...betcha he was in deep with the bad guys and this would end up another murder victim!!