Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/5/2007

[Auntiem]

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Dave has said several times, that one of the MB'ers saw one of the Kalpoes leading her out by the elbow. 
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Dang,  didn't they think something was strange??????Did Deepak look familiar to them??  He obviously was NOT a tourist!!!!

[klaasend]

Don't think any kids in her class has said they saw her in the car and asked her to get out.

Think that was a misslead from the reenaction show.

I think it was David Kock (lawyer of Satish) who said that based on court documents/statements from the students (at least that is what Scrux writes)

VAN SUSTEREN: How did your client describe what happened when they left Carlos and Charlie's? What did he say happened when they departed?

KOCK: Oh, you know, that when they left the place going towards their car, that Joran showed up with that girl, that the girl was going to drive with them in the car, that they drove around. But first, they also met a couple of friends of the disappeared girl, who told her, why doesn't she get out of the car, and she said, no, that she was going to drive around. They drove around, drove to the lighthouse, and then coming back towards the high-rises, but Joran asked to be dropped here, next to the Marriott, and that the two of them got out of the car and that they left. And for them, that was the end of it.
http://scrux.com/natalee/kockinterview.htm

And we know that Deepak and Satish would never lie    I just can't imagine Natalee saying "no, I'm going to drive around a while".

[Carnut]

When they find Natalee (and I hope with all my heart that they do), I think it will be possible to find out the reason for her death but I think that they will not be able to determine whether or not she had been drugged.

When they find the body they will know Nat is dead and will be able to charge the Perps.

They already have enough to convict them, just no body.

[SunFreak2]

I remember following a link (saved it) to a young teenager's blog.  This girl was from MB.  She had posted how a girl (NH) had gone missing and the family was en route to ARuba to find her.  This was posted that Monday night around 11pm.  I went back several times to her blog and read how the family thought she was being held hostage in a crack house, etc.  This was written in real time with people asking her questions and her responses. Then months later the blog was gone from the link, and of course I had never copied anything and then erased the link after a few more months. Had anyone else seen this site?

[Kermit]

And we know that Deepak and Satish would never lie    I just can't imagine Natalee saying "no, I'm going to drive around a while".

I agree. But just shows you the attorney is willing to lie for his client when he knows what eye witnesses have stated.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Hi Kermit
I'm confused....is this the front of C&C's?If so,the back door is really not a back door?

That is the front of CnC's and you can see there is an allyway to the back parking lot.
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Thanks Kermit
Do you know where the back door inside C&C's leads?

[Rammstein]

When they find Natalee (and I hope with all my heart that they do), I think it will be possible to find out the reason for her death but I think that they will not be able to determine whether or not she had been drugged.

When they find the body they will know Nat is dead and will be able to charge the Perps.

They already have enough to convict them, just no body.

there is circumstantial evidence but I doubt it will be enough if there isn't any forensic evidence on the remains with regards to the three suspects, best scenario would be if they find fingerprints, DNA or something like Joran's shoes with/on her.

[Destiny]

I gotta run and get some work done. 

I've really enjoyed the conversation today. Hope you all figure this out by the time I get back. It'll probably take me another few days to catch up with you all again at the rate you've been going.

bye

fran

Nite Fran...LOVE your new clothes

Destiny

[Nut44x4]

  Anyone know who this guy on the left is and why he looks familiar to me?? This was at Bahia aug 3rd.

[Carnut]

When they find Natalee (and I hope with all my heart that they do), I think it will be possible to find out the reason for her death but I think that they will not be able to determine whether or not she had been drugged.

When they find the body they will know Nat is dead and will be able to charge the Perps.

They already have enough to convict them, just no body.

there is circumstantial evidence but I doubt it will be enough if there isn't any forensic evidence on the remains with regards to the three suspects, best scenario would be if they find fingerprints, DNA or something like Joran's shoes with/on her.

There may be 'real' evidence we are unaware of.

I believe there is enough circumstantial evidence just in the statements for a conviction if a body is found proving at least that Nat is dead and didn't get taken away by aliens from another planet.

[Nut44x4]

Friday night Paddock...Santos. 8-3-07

[Auntiem]

   Ya know,  I think Geraldo has become a jerk....but he's got one thing right.  Aruba was or is a haven for kids to go and get smashed and get drugs.......and it looks like even some good kids get tricked or caught up in it to some extent, to the point where they are not using there faculties.....and so when her friends saw her, on Deepak's arm .....nothing clicked.....they were just not thinking, and look, look what happened in one moment of hazy thinking...their friend is gone .....

   They graduated from HS, celebrating, feeling grown up, looking forward to College and great carreers afterward....well, there's one lovely girl we know of who will not get that chance ...for what???? A lousy 4 days in the sun of Aruba, and its foul drug-pushers, pimps and rapists.   

           God Bless Beth for her Safe Travels..Who knows how many Natalee's she has already saved!

[klaasend]

Nut - I don't recognize the guy in the first photo..I don't know why he looks familiar to you. 

In the second photos that's Andres dos Santos.  He's the one I believe the MB kids thought was the hawaiin looking guy that was in the casino.

[Auntiem]

  Nut, they all look like of disgusting, drunken pigs to me!!!

[KarmaRoundUp]

    Well wasn't there some nonsense about her yelling to her friend "Aruba..WOOO             HOOO.."   and Deepak stopping and telling her to get out of the car and go with her friends.   Wasn't this crap in that movie???

Hey Ramm... welcome!

I think they had to say that she yelled because she did.. only it wasn't woo hoo aruba or anything like that....


NYLover I am still not getting anything in my emails...

from what I remember she had a small discussion with the kids of her class after the "whoo hoo" thingy and that they warned her to come out. If at some point there had been need to scream then it happened after that moment when they drove away from Natalee's classmates.

Hi Ramm
Deepak stated that as he drove by some of the MB kids,one MB guy came up to the car and told Natalee to get out,Natalee told him no,that they would bring her back to her hotel.I don't know IF that was ever confirmed by any of the MB kids tho.

That has never been confirmed by any MB kids.

Dash's posts also don't confirm any of this.

Thanks Carnut

[San]

When they find Natalee (and I hope with all my heart that they do), I think it will be possible to find out the reason for her death but I think that they will not be able to determine whether or not she had been drugged.

I hope they find her too.  If it was something as simple as ODing they would have just left her on the beach.  In my heart I believe she was beaten to death and thus the reason for the coverup.  They cannot show the world what he did.  Why would Van der Straaten try and negotiate a deal to sent Joran to a mental institution?  Did he make the same kind of deal for the Kalpoes?  No he didn't and why would that be?

This is why they are trying to make the world believe that she OD'd.  There is no proof of her ODing and they want us so badly to take their word that she did.  Produce the body and let the world see for themselves.

[Easywriter]

He looks like a young Treat Williams. lol

[SunFreak2]

When they find Natalee (and I hope with all my heart that they do), I think it will be possible to find out the reason for her death but I think that they will not be able to determine whether or not she had been drugged.

I hope they find her too.  If it was something as simple as ODing they would have just left her on the beach.  In my heart I believe she was beaten to death and thus the reason for the coverup.  They cannot show the world what he did.  Why would Van der Straaten try and negotiate a deal to sent Joran to a mental institution?  Did he make the same kind of deal for the Kalpoes?  No he didn't and why would that be?

This is why they are trying to make the world believe that she OD'd.  There is no proof of her ODing and they want us so badly to take their word that she did.  Produce the body and let the world see for themselves.

B/c if they can make her into an OD - then it's a suicide like Pitbull.  Then the perps just desecrated a dead body, and in Natalee's case made the body disappear.  4-6 years for Pitbull's desecration.

[Auntiem]

   They found Natalee, don't you all remember?  June of 2005.  There was an announcement,and confirmation...we saw Beth's crumpling body as she got the most tragic news of her life!!!!   But then, came the retraction!  What happened???? The body was not "presentable".....too much DNA.  It was "disappeared!!!!

[Rammstein]

When they find Natalee (and I hope with all my heart that they do), I think it will be possible to find out the reason for her death but I think that they will not be able to determine whether or not she had been drugged.

I hope they find her too.  If it was something as simple as ODing they would have just left her on the beach.  In my heart I believe she was beaten to death and thus the reason for the coverup.  They cannot show the world what he did.  Why would Van der Straaten try and negotiate a deal to sent Joran to a mental institution?  Did he make the same kind of deal for the Kalpoes?  No he didn't and why would that be?

This is why they are trying to make the world believe that she OD'd.  There is no proof of her ODing and they want us so badly to take their word that she did.  Produce the body and let the world see for themselves.

van der Straten has no power to make deals of that nature (sending Joran to a mental institution).

And I agree, accidental overdose is unlikely.