Lively Case Discussion #510 8/11 - 8/12/2006

[dkpen]

Maybe Paulus gave themselves the virus deliberately before he could check out what was on there prior to the crime?

I know you will find this hard to believe but the virus infection hit AFTER Sporter logged off that night.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Paulus deliberately did that as a control issue until he could get his ducks in a row...Pauus is a control freak in my opinion...and he would be at his peak in the control department after this date.

Ono - I think the virus was deliberate too.  If Joran downloaded it with the videos, it would have shown up at that time.

Yes...all my instincts say it was a deliberate move after the unexpected tragic happening that fateful night---whatever it was. Paulus is just way too programmed to not stop the computer exchanges until he could peruse, analyze, and then prepare explanations/excuses/alibis.

Paulus had 9 days to get it done.

[Ono]

This was posted by MF at FOB:

What we can learn from this document is that Joran indeed was already home around 3:30 a.m. when he send a MSN message to Deepak around 3.34 a.m. And indeed was on a soccer site and a pornsite.

That he was on the computer wround 22.33 that night he went to C&C.

That his brother was on the computer between 02.34 - 03.37.
Last edited on Fri Aug 11th, 2006 02:51 pm by MF

So from 1am when they left C&C until about 3:20 Joran was with Natalee.
If Joran is home at 3:30 and its a 5 minute ride from the beach he would have left Natalee at least by 3:20. So Joran was with Natalee for about
2hours and 20 minutes. Do we have all of that time accounted for?
So Natalee could not be on that 2:38am video.



My response:

Question:  How could Joran and Valentijn be on the computer at the same time??

No kidding...

[Lala'sMom]

I wonder if they took Joran's VIP pass away also?

lala....good point....wonder if he still has his line of credit at all the casinos??? klaas...ask linda if he is still hitting the poker tournaments!!!

It'a kind of hard to help the big guys launder all that money if you can't play the game.  I bet someone has already taken his place by now.

[dkpen]

wonder why he has been banned from c&c klaas?

Hi, cuz!

We have to find your little avatar again.


Joran is banned from C&C?   Wow, he must have done something really awful as anything goes in that place.  I wonder what it could have been??

     

I'm guessing CnCs don't want to lose any money of this little twit.

[thecuz]

wonder why he has been banned from c&c klaas?

Hi, cuz!

We have to find your little avatar again.


Joran is banned from C&C?   Wow, he must have done something really awful as anything goes in that place.  I wonder what it could have been??

     

hey anna.....klaas can you help me put my pic back up? i forgot how? sorry!

pr move.....is what klaas thinks..... i did not think c&c cared!!!

[crazybabyborg]

wonder why he has been banned from c&c klaas?

Hi, cuz!

We have to find your little avatar again.


Joran is banned from C&C?   Wow, he must have done something really awful as anything goes in that place.  I wonder what it could have been??

     

Maybe he committed such a dastardly deed as to bring to the spotlight that the bartenders at C&Cs routinely drug the drinks of girls for their "sporter" regulars.............

[robots]

wonder why he has been banned from c&c klaas?

Hi, cuz!

We have to find your little avatar again.


Joran is banned from C&C?   Wow, he must have done something really awful as anything goes in that place.  I wonder what it could have been??

     

MY GUESS is

1. CHEATING other PLAYERS
2. GAMBLING DEBTS
3. even C and C think he is a LOSER
 

[klaasend]

CUZ - I have this avatar of yours if you want to use it:



Follow these instructions, it's the only way avatars are working right now.  COPY the link below and PASTE it into the THIRD option in your profile for AVATARS:

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[SunFreak2]

And the list is growing.

Banned from Excelsior Casino (Spring break)  
Banned from CnC's (Summer break)  

Was he banned from the Marriott after this latest episode with Ms Blondie?
I would bet there are more places he is not welcome.    

[thecuz]

wonder why he has been banned from c&c klaas?

Hi, cuz!

We have to find your little avatar again.


Joran is banned from C&C?   Wow, he must have done something really awful as anything goes in that place.  I wonder what it could have been??

     

Maybe he committed such a dastardly deed as to bring to the spotlight that the bartenders at C&Cs routinely drug the drinks of girls for their "sporter" regulars.............

CBB....had not thought of that....that really makes sense!

wonder if the ban is for the rest of the pimp gang!

[Bearlyhere]

wonder why he has been banned from c&c klaas?

Hi, cuz!

We have to find your little avatar again.


Joran is banned from C&C?   Wow, he must have done something really awful as anything goes in that place.  I wonder what it could have been??

     

Maybe he committed such a dastardly deed as to bring to the spotlight that the bartenders at C&Cs routinely drug the drinks of girls for their "sporter" regulars.............

This is what I think, too, CBB.  Good to see you.  

He shined a lite on all the rats and they need to go back in their hole for a while.

[Anna]

[hey anna.....klaas can you help me put my pic back up? i forgot how? sorry!

pr move.....is what klaas thinks..... i did not think c&c cared!!!

I didn't either or they would not have given a job to Steve Croes.  
In fact none of the businesses have ever said they cared.    But if the tourist count is down twenty percent, we need to make it fifty and they will then ALL care.  I truly think money or the loss of it is what gets their attention.

Otherwise, it's always Party On!  

[klaasend]

Good point posted by Maggie on the front page:

On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number “*******”. Sometimes Joran calls me on the mobile phone of my sister, her name is “Maria del Pilar CARRASQUIXIA CACERES”. Her calling name is “Pilar”. The mobile phone number of Pilar is “*******”. The mobile phone number of Joran is “*******”. Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to “Carlos & Charlies” and whether I wanted to meet up with him there.

On Greta’s interview .Joran said around 9 or 10 on May 29th he called someone, then called Deepak right after leaving the casino and walking to Mcdonalds. Jamie is saying Joran called him and asked him between 4 and 7..

[Bearlyhere]

[hey anna.....klaas can you help me put my pic back up? i forgot how? sorry!

pr move.....is what klaas thinks..... i did not think c&c cared!!!

I didn't either or they would not have given a job to Steve Croes.  
In fact none of the businesses have ever said they cared.    But if the tourist count is down twenty percent, we need to make it fifty and they will then ALL care.  I truly think money or the loss of it is what gets their attention.

Otherwise, it's always Party On!  

It's hard to be discreet with a 3000 pound elephant in the room.

[Ono]

I can assure anyone, having been to beaches and even the Mediterranean, that the panhandle and gulf coast of the southeast is prettier than any beach I have ever seen anywhere and this includes all of them and Aruba.  Plus, you do not find the prevalence of mugging, drugging and pimping in that area.

All the comforts of home, security plus luxury, world-class sugar white sands, and turquoise waters.....last but not least,  being under the umbrella of the jurisdiction of America's laws.  We CARE what happens to our visitors.

As one who lives in the Panhandle I have to second that. Our sugary white sands and aquamarine waters off the Gulf Coast is simply beautiful. And the waters are warm not ice cold. The sand is so clean it squeeks when you walk in it but beware to wear sandles of sorts, the sand is HOT from the reflection of the sun because it is so white. <brags a little>

  For many years the beaches of the Grayton Beach/Rosemary Beach, Seaside, Florida  Beach area (all adjacent) have been judged as one of the few top natural beaches in the entire world...(cannot remember the authority sited, but a friend is the owner of Criolla's, a fine dining restaurant  in Grayton Beach, and he loves to tell this fact.)

[Anna]

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Based on what Dennis Jacobs said about C&C, and I believe Dave has a witness, the fam should sue them!  I know there are no dram laws about the amount they can legally sell to a customer no matter how intoxicated but I am talking about the drugging part.

Why didn't ALE investigate this?  Oh, I forgot!  This is ARUBA!  What was I thinking!  

[crazybabyborg]

Good to see you too, Bearly!
I can't imagine that C&Cs was thrilled with the commentary around Natalee being drugged at their establishment. They know what goes on with a wink and nod, but they had to squirm at the rest of the world knowing it, especially when you factor that the rest of the world is their customers. A tourism slump hurts them as well, and they KNOW who is to blame for it.

[thecuz]

thanks klaas....i have my clothes back on!!!!

[thecuz]

Good to see you too, Bearly!
I can't imagine that C&Cs was thrilled with the commentary around Natalee being drugged at their establishment. They know what goes on with a wink and nod, but they had to squirm at the rest of the world knowing it, especially when you factor that the rest of the world is their customers. A tourism slump hurts them as well, and they KNOW who is to blame for it.

the high school group here went to cancun for spring break...i gave them hope for natalee bracelets....and told them to go anywhere except carlos and charlies!!!! my own little boycott!!

[Ono]

DKPEN:  Didn't mean to leave out the gorgeous sugar sands of Perdido Key and Pensacola Beaches, etc....and if a vistor gets lucky...they just may see the world famous Blue Angels practicing their maneuvers over Pensacola Beach!