Lively Case Discussion #510 8/11 - 8/12/2006

[lexie]

I wonder if the blonde with Joran is this girl?  Maybe that's why the Marriott allowed Joran to hang out there?

From Joran's June 10th statement:

To your question as to how many girlfriends I have, I answer you the following. I only have one girlfriend and her name is "Florencia METZ". Before I had "Elaine" and before that "Carmen JACAPOUCHI" And she works in the Hospital and at the moment if Freddy's girlfriend. I have been having girlfriends since I was 14 and her name was "Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel" and she and I were both enrolled at the "International school". I also had a girlfriend named "Melody GRANADILLO". I have had five (5) serious girlfriends in total since I was 14.
So Joran used to date the daughter of the man who built the Marriot in Aruba

http://www.krabshuis.nl/
Mosquito Danger


Our three authors attend the International School of Aruba. Fernando Viana, 9th grade is the son of Doctor Carlos Viana and Phyllis. Jillian Johnson, 10th grade is the daughter of Marshal and Stephanie.  Susana de la Oliva, 10th grade is the daughter of parents who are both physicians.

The photo above was taken about 2 years ago.  Do you guys think the girl Joran was with in Aruba at the Marriott could be her?

DID YOU ALSO NOTICE THAT THE SAME FERNANDO VIANA IN THIS PHOTO IS ALSO MENTIONED IN JVDS POLICE STATEMENT OF 6/24/06?????

AND NOBODY KNOWS NOBODY ON THIS ISLAND PER JOE TACO.....

[Tylergal]

Lala's, sorry I had some unpacking and packing to do.  Sort of a medical necessity.  Just one of them thangs.

[klaasend]

Lexie - good catch!

[Tylergal]

Okay, monkeys let's spice things up.
Deepak's June 13 statement"
To your question as to what exactly Steve had told me, I can state the following. I was talking to someone on the phone about what had happened and when I hung up the phone Steve said to me that I should not worry because he had seen us dropping off the girl at the hotel, he even saw that she had fallen down and that Joran had helped her up.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

If you read the other statements concerning Steve Croes.  It is obvious that both Deepak and Satish are confused about how or why he would offer an alibi for them.  Since he really wasn't part of the show...or did he know trouble was soon to follow?

I think they paid Mr. Slow to come in and give a statement and he sloughed off somewhere and by the time he went in the story had already changed.  Maybe it was a waste of money by whomever paid him.  He is a slug too.  As SandraK would say, "My baby, Steve."

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's, sorry I had some unpacking and packing to do.  Sort of a medical necessity.  Just one of them thangs.

That's okay, I was getting worried something was wrong is all.

[casa]

Hey late night monkeys!

[Tylergal]

I'm just now getting in here tonight, but I saw the computer records from last night (and I have reservations about them), but I am wondering if we have any CELLPHONE records that are analogous to what the computer forensics turned up.

Simian stated that Joran called his dad at 4 AM from the beach area. I am seeing no attestation of that from the computer records   as we have them. I am also not willing to treat the computer records as pristine Gospel truth without error, either.

Let's not forget that very early on an FBI agent was on TV one morning after Fox & Friends, but on Fox, and said the time lines had been dinked with on the computers.  I heard that as plain as day and then he went on to say that they were most likely sitting in the car, back seat and front seat calling each other.  That is same morning the International Attorney (I believe he is Eastern Indian) was on saying that under international law, Joran could be prosecuted in Alabama.  Heard it plain as day.

[SunFreak2]

DID YOU ALSO NOTICE THAT THE SAME FERNANDO VIANA IN THIS PHOTO IS ALSO MENTIONED IN JVDS POLICE STATEMENT OF 6/24/06?????

AND NOBODY KNOWS NOBODY ON THIS ISLAND PER JOE TACO.....

Great minds think alike!  I just posted the same thing about 2 minutes before you!

[lexie]

DID YOU ALSO NOTICE THAT THE SAME FERNANDO VIANA IN THIS PHOTO IS ALSO MENTIONED IN JVDS POLICE STATEMENT OF 6/24/06?????

AND NOBODY KNOWS NOBODY ON THIS ISLAND PER JOE TACO.....

Great minds think alike!  I just posted the same thing about 2 minutes before you!

Only YOU got the date right....mine says 2006...instead of 2005.  

[Tylergal]

Lala's, I don't believe the K2s were at the beach if we are to believe Shango, who said Chivas did not build sandcastles.  Maybe he meant they are not the ones who buried Natalee at the beach.

[Lala'sMom]

Yes, money had to be involved, since I fail to see much grey matter between his ears.  I shouldn't have said that, should I?  Too late..JMO

[sb]

I don't think the girl in the picture from the hotel (the recent one) is the Jillian he refers to in his statement. She supposedly now is in the US.

I DO think we see the face here of the one and only Fernando Viana who IS referred to in the statement as being (peripherally) involved with Joran.

[Tylergal]

One witness is not a witness.  Is this Guido, who should be a defendant rather than a witness?

[msmarple]

Hi Monkey people. I have a small contribution of sorts.

Joran signed every one of the statements we've seen from him - 6/9, 6/10, 6/14, 6/24.

Satish did not sign any of his; he wanted his attorney to review. That's 6/9, 6/10, 6/11.

Deepkak did not sign his 6/9 and 6/10 statements. He signed his 6/11 and 6/13 statements. He did not sign the 6/16 statement; he wanted his attorney to review.

Re. the mystery blond (and didn't we just need one of those ???    ) - Not that it was all that specific, but I sort of thought the FP post by Linda(?), that she was a girl from Aruba attending school in Holland - refers to the blond?

[klaasend]

DID YOU ALSO NOTICE THAT THE SAME FERNANDO VIANA IN THIS PHOTO IS ALSO MENTIONED IN JVDS POLICE STATEMENT OF 6/24/06?????

AND NOBODY KNOWS NOBODY ON THIS ISLAND PER JOE TACO.....

Great minds think alike!  I just posted the same thing about 2 minutes before you!

Then great find Sunfreak as well!

[SunFreak2]

Great minds think alike!  I just posted the same thing about 2 minutes before you!

Only YOU got the date right....mine says 2006...instead of 2005.  

I'm surprised I did.  I can't even remember what month it is now.  And sometimes I write the year I was born for the current year!  I got the CRS disease that Joran claims Paulus has.

[sb]

tyler, it is obvious that SOME kind of cellphone/Internet/PC craziness was going on in the small hours of May 30th. These guys were fiddling around in some way by electronic means, for some unknown reason.

This is how one creates confusion and muddle. They are trying to wallpaper over some kind of criminal activity with layer upon layer of lies and risdiculous statements.

[klaasend]

Hi Monkey people. I have a small contribution of sorts.

Joran signed every one of the statements we've seen from him - 6/9, 6/10, 6/14, 6/24.

Satish did not sign any of his; he wanted his attorney to review. That's 6/9, 6/10, 6/11.

Deepkak did not sign his 6/9 and 6/10 statements. He signed his 6/11 and 6/13 statements. He did not sign the 6/16 statement; he wanted his attorney to review.

Re. the mystery blond (and didn't we just need one of those ???    ) - Not that it was all that specific, but I sort of thought the FP post by Linda(?), that she was a girl from Aruba attending school in Holland - refers to the blond?

Regarding Linda's front page post, I think she's hearing rumors.  We know Jillain used to live in Aruba.  The only thing different from what Linda was saying is that Joran says Jillian is living in the states now.

[Tylergal]

tyler, it is obvious that SOME kind of cellphone/Internet/PC craziness was going on in the small hours of May 30th. These guys were fiddling around in some way by electronic means, for some unknown reason.

This is how one creates confusion and muddle. They are trying to wallpaper over some kind of criminal activity with layer upon layer of lies and risdiculous statements.

Exactly.  Remember the Hitchcock movie in which the criminal and his friends did that and then they all admitted to killing the victim and each one gave a totally different story, different place and time.  They all went scot-free.

[Tylergal]

Sunfreak and Lexie, are you documenting the names of the players in the specific sticky/thread so that we will not forget that.