Lively Case Discussion #510 8/11 - 8/12/2006

[Anna]

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I am here just reading along, lalas.  Not much to add on my part on these statements.  

I do think a few others may have been sent the vid like Sander.  Too much of a coincidence he lost phone the same time.

There is something fishy about those computer records.  Not sure what just yet.  Am thinking what it could be.

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[Spock]

After reviewing the last round round of statements, the computer logs, cell phone records, it seems to me that whomever drove Joran home that night may have been the last with the girl. She could have been handed off to a second group or left at a party house.

Both Deepak and Satish deny driving Joran home. If we find out who drove Joran home we may find out who was last with Natalee and what they did with her. The chat at 3:25 am does not seem like pimps worried about concealing a death, it seems like two boys bragging about their last accomplishment. I have read that many sexual perps, immediately after the act, relive it by viewing porn. Porn sites were visited and two movies were downloaded for an hour until 4:30 am.

If we can find out who gave Joran the ride home, that person may be deeply involved in the dissapearance. It is also possible this whole thing came down at the Sloot home and there never was a trip to the beach.

Lets talk this over.

[Anna]

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The computer records seem very odd.  Sort of like only a part of something.  The responses do not exactly match with each other.   wonder if certain identities could have been removed like Joran's Loverboy one that he uses on Zorpia, etc.

I still tend to think the Sloot residence is where they all went from C&C and it does appear there is precedent for that happening.  But then there is also the notorious backseat approach of which they also seem equally fond.  

I would like to see the statements made by Paulus both times he was taken in for questioning since Joran assures  Ale they should only listen to him, Joran.

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[Anna]

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Paulus had a laptop that Anita said he used only for work.  Who uses a computer only for anything?  Most people will have some personal things even on one for work.  I use mine for work, too, but half the stuff on it is not work.

Did Joran also have a lap top back then or did he get a new one to take to school?  Were the hard drives on either of those checked?

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[dkpen]

I still think it's a different girl

I think this could be the same girl just different angle

[Anna]

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My eyes are burning and my mind is blank.  Going to the monkey bunkey for tonight.  These statements have given us so much to think about.  Piece by piece a very telling picture is coming into focus.  And it is a sad, sad commentary on what happened and this particular group of misfit.

Goodnight any still reading.

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[dkpen]

I still think it's a different girl

blah let me try that again....lol


I think this could be the same girl just in a different angle.

[dkpen]

One witness is not a witness.  Is this Guido, who should be a defendant rather than a witness?

Remember Steve Croes volunteer'd as a witness. Perhaps he is the witness that's not a witness?

[dkpen]

guess everyone else hit the monkey bunk.  I am going to follow suit and do the same.  Monkey see, Monkey do!  

Goodnight to those still here.

God bless~

[Spock]

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The computer records seem very odd.  Sort of like only a part of something.  The responses do not exactly match with each other.   .

Your comment made me rethink the chat script. Can't anyone just click on chat history on their computer and delete it or part of it? Also, the computers weren't seized until 10 days after the messaging. That's alot  of time to clean up the history.

[Bearlyhere]

I still think it's a different girl

Sisters, perhaps?

[IBE]

Tylergal

Was 37 pages behind and was going to post what you had posted around page 27.

I have been here for a long time; first at a travel site then RVW and followed the posts of Anna, Arubagirl and Dutchlady over here into Code Talkers.

I do remember the TV show you talk about.

I also remember, IMO, that there was alot of talked about the persons or kids trying to hack the computer times....

IMO Deepak's knowledge and his contacts via Internet cafe and online sources... could easily try to hack the times.

Are these computer times posted  the real time on the conputer or the hacked times? opps misspelling of computer... I put "con" Perhaps my mind is thinking "conned"

Anna, this may be the reason you feel the fit isn't just right on these times. IMO I question the validity.

Monkeys keep up the good work. Natalee will be brought home and get justice... let's keep backing SM and TES, Dana, et al

IBE

PS you have all hit "monkey bunkey" so I hope you will see this later in this morning and ponder the info.

I worked 18 yrs ago supposedly as a "Mac multimedia expert" at CompUSA for 4 yrs. on weekends. I teased them at the time and told them I was their "token Senior" for was 48-53. Age has entered in since then

OH NO... the PAULUS SYNDROME! but looking at the times and the comments... something still smells and it isn't in Denmark

So are these the real times or the hacked times?

[Kat_Gram]

Oldfart:

I don't know if this new group of jurists will have any effect on the case, probably not...I wish. I think the weak link in the chain is their system which does not have a jury, but depends on one person's opinon....not good at all for fair rendering of decisions.....(frankly, their legal system stinks).....

There are no charges against anyone in this case. So, it does make any difference if there are NEW judges or if Michael Jackson'e monkey is on the bench in Aruba.

[justinsmama]

After reviewing the last round round of statements, the computer logs, cell phone records, it seems to me that whomever drove Joran home that night may have been the last with the girl. She could have been handed off to a second group or left at a party house.

Both Deepak and Satish deny driving Joran home. If we find out who drove Joran home we may find out who was last with Natalee and what they did with her. The chat at 3:25 am does not seem like pimps worried about concealing a death, it seems like two boys bragging about their last accomplishment. I have read that many sexual perps, immediately after the act, relive it by viewing porn. Porn sites were visited and two movies were downloaded for an hour until 4:30 am.

If we can find out who gave Joran the ride home, that person may be deeply involved in the dissapearance. It is also possible this whole thing came down at the Sloot home and there never was a trip to the beach.

Lets talk this over.

It was Paulus. He "picked them up" at 4:00 am.

[justinsmama]

I still think it's a different girl

Sisters, perhaps?

That's what I'm thinking. One is well endowed and the other is not. Unless she is wearing a "Wonder bra".

[justinsmama]

The gardener is a valid witness. He saw Joran, Deepak and another male in Deepak's car @ 2:30 am.

[justinsmama]

The gardener is a valid witness. He saw Joran, Deepak and another male in Deepak's car @ 2:30 am.

At the raquet club.

[Peaches]

I may miss Dana - I've had about 5 interruptions just now right when I'm trying to fix dinner.  I hate door to door solicitors!!

I have a welcome mat that says 'GO AWAY' with the Tazmanian Devil
on it and a NO SOLICITOR's plaque above my doorbell. People suck, lol.

Mine says:  "If you ever want to see these people again... put a 5 lb. roast in a brown bag and leave it at the door... Signed, The Dogs"

Good morning.  Just reading frantically to catch up.  I WANT that door mat, Beans!  

My answering machine message indicates that "if you are selling something, hang up now".  Sales people usually rue the day that I actually do answer the phone and talk to them.  I'm older now and I have time to think of creative ways to annoy them.

[Tylergal]

Drum major whistle worked good for me with salespeople.  Once they have gotten that in their ears, they rarely call back.

[Nut44x4]

From Joran's June 14 statement:
At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while to

find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found. I looked for about two minutes. Then I walked over the beach to the Wyndham Hotel. On the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there. I at that moment was more worried about the shoes that I had left behind because I was unaware that Natalee had gone missing.

Why would he even think about going to look for Natalee?  That is a bizarre statement to make.  What did he think...she was still there dead where he left her?  No he was thinking about that fact that he had left her there the night before, but she was already dead and he knew it.  That statement came from somewhere deep inside his conscience, he almost let it slip...but he caught himself.

I also thought this was a totally bizarre thing to say and of course this went in one ear or ALE and out the other.