Lively Case Discussion #510 8/11 - 8/12/2006

[Anna]

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I am still steaming about the letter with Paulus DNA on it.

This has to be a crime.  And another reason I think Paulus wrote it is because it is so about the money!  Give the reward to the suspects??  Nice try, Paulie!!  Don't you just wish.

Like Dompig, he has far, far too much interest in the money in the trust fund and in the reward.  If there is a dollar anywhere they want to get their hands on it.  Dompig demanding an accounting of Beth of a trust fund is laughable.  She is not running it, trust officers are a concept which they cannot seem to grasp.  Contact Bank with any questions and leave the mother alone.

Always looking to make a buck off of all this.  Like some kid who ran away with Natalee would be primarily concerned with getting money for the Sloots??  I don't think so.  That would not be the thought upmost in anyone's mind except Paulie and Jo Jo.  The constant reference to various ways to get money to the Sloots is a dead giveaway as to who is behind this.

I am really weary of their money-grubbing!   And this is yet another crime, tremendous obstruction of justice, for which no charges have been filed.  Sickening!     The fabrication of false evidence is not a crime in Aruba?  And they wonder why we are concerned and want a boycott??  With this kind of fabrication allowed, anybody could be framed for any crime with no problem.  Where is the investigation into this letter???

There isn't one.  That's because they all know who wrote it and why and who just thought it would be marvey if those Stupid Americans Who Will Believe ANYTHING bought it.  Anything to get their mitts on a few dollars more.  I wonder if Jug could sue Paulus for defamation of character.  But then that is probably not a crime in Aruba either if done by the Dutch elite.  How long before the Arubans figure out what a bill of goods they have been sold by that group on all of this???  

[nonesuche]

I think it's a distinct possibility, plus if we are seeking something large enough to warrant a cover-up in terms of dirty laundry, wouldn't a porn ring starring rapes of US tourists qualify?

If you scroll down to the fifth entry, this legal blog details the specifics of the Netherlands - Antilles law as it relates to ISP's, problem is few ISP's follow the letter of the law.

http://www.curacao-law.com/?m=200601

[Kat_Gram]

Steve Croes and his sidekick Jerry at the Full Moon Dance Party 8/11/2006:

Lordy, he must be dating a good cook these days        Maybe he eats dinner at Koen's every night      

Full Moon,eh ?
Something else comes to mind about full moons with these two ! !
They look like the Righteous Brothers ! !

[SunFreak2]

I decided to go through the photos at the JoranBlog to see if there was anything I missed.  These photos were very dark so I lightened them up.  They are titled Celebrate and dated September 28, 2005 when Joran got out of detention.  Notice these photos appear to be taken in the VDS back yard.  Freddy, Satish, Joran and 3 girls.  So Joran seems to have remained friends with Satish.

Thats not Satish.  That's Raymbert or Darwin Dubero.

[Anna]

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None,
You wouldn't happen to have a list of all the ISP's themselves would you?  Do they all end in .ar or what?  I know .au is Australia.
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[nonesuche]

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None,
You wouldn't happen to have a list of all the ISP's themselves would you?  Do they all end in .ar or what?  I know .au is Australia.
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Anna-

I am searching right now, the yellow pages only lists setar.aw as an ISP, but in searching I am finding much. Forums with complaints of major spamming coming out of Aruba, being masked and run through Italian servers and ISP's? Also a case of the NYPD investigating spamming from another Aruba internet address??  

[Anna]

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None,
You wouldn't happen to have a list of all the ISP's themselves would you?  Do they all end in .ar or what?  I know .au is Australia.
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Anna-

I am searching right now, the yellow pages only lists setar.aw as an ISP, but in searching I am finding much. Forums with complaints of major spamming coming out of Aruba, being masked and run through Italian servers and ISP's? Also a case of the NYPD investigating spamming from another Aruba internet address??  

BINGO!  This is exactly why I am asking.     Seem to be having a bit of experience with just that very thing!  To the tune of several hundred a day now.  Nice, huh?

[shadow]

I think it's a distinct possibility, plus if we are seeking something large enough to warrant a cover-up in terms of dirty laundry, wouldn't a porn ring starring rapes of US tourists qualify?

If you scroll down to the fifth entry, this legal blog details the specifics of the Netherlands - Antilles law as it relates to ISP's, problem is few ISP's follow the letter of the law.

http://www.curacao-law.com/?m=200601

What if the real porn was being made in Aruba and moved out into the market place and off of Aruba by means other than the internet. Possibly physically removed from the island via portable hard drives or laptops. The internet is an easy way to get caught especially considering the "extreme" nature of the films being made.

[Kat_Gram]

If there is a dollar anywhere they want to get their hands on it. Dompig demanding an accounting of Beth of a trust fund is laughable... Did he do that or that sounds like something Julia Renfro said.
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Was in the organic food mart after work today ( overtime , mandatory )  
and I should have bought it, but next time, there was a jar of Julia Refro's ?? some kind of sauce.. chutney or something.
But then, I just laughed out loud and had to get my stuff and get outta there.

[nonesuche]

I agree Anna, you have to be careful when searching to read each entry, for Aruba Networks is actually located in CA and is a big gorilla of a network. But this is truly interesting, I think I'll check out some of mr none's resources later tonight, for he has memberships in international security orgs and sites that might tell us even more?

There does appear to be 9 wireless hotspots on Aruba currently, with various providers as well.

[SunFreak2]

I've been searching Tickle sites for some of the players.

Karen Martino -
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=SoTUUKmaUqm.sCHc

Stephany Wever - she's good frineds with Karen M
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=vLfoSerDpzZWxs-f

Elaine Sint Jago - she's good friends with Stephany Wever.  She's the right age - 18, would be 17 last year. For some reason that last name is ringing bells! And she has modeling pics up!!
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=gmdQrEScedZm6Cms

I also found of bunch of pics of Val & Karen together.  He must be handling Joran's left overs.  Ughhh.

[Anna]

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So Aruba is .aw and perhaps .ar is Argentina?  I wonder what Austria might be.  Anyway, they do have a long history of internet troulbe as you may also recall the man from Spain convicted on some sort of porn distrubition using Aruba.  Porn in and of itself is, of course, legal there.  Would have to be porn containing a crime to even be illegal.

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[klaasend]

I decided to go through the photos at the JoranBlog to see if there was anything I missed.  These photos were very dark so I lightened them up.  They are titled Celebrate and dated September 28, 2005 when Joran got out of detention.  Notice these photos appear to be taken in the VDS back yard.  Freddy, Satish, Joran and 3 girls.  So Joran seems to have remained friends with Satish.

Thats not Satish.  That's Raymbert or Darwin Dubero.

Sorry, I disagree and so did the JoranBlog guy.  I believe it's Satish.

[nonesuche]

shadow-

That is entirely possible but my suspicion is Aruba isn't that careful, nor do they have to be. Remember that many of the outlaw gaming servers reside in the Caribbean for they are so lax about regulation in that region.

I wanted to research the wireless particularly for if streaming media is being exported it would most likely be via that channel.

[shadow]

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That is entirely possible but my suspicion is Aruba isn't that careful, nor do they have to be. Remember that many of the outlaw gaming servers reside in the Caribbean for they are so lax about regulation in that region.

I wanted to research the wireless particularly for if streaming media is being exported it would most likely be via that channel.

The pimps definitely weren't that careful, but there may have been something more sinister going on in the larger picture.

Both are potential avenues for distribution and the servers are lax there, and so definitely makes since for live streaming.

[nonesuche]

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So Aruba is .aw and perhaps .ar is Argentina?  I wonder what Austria might be.  Anyway, they do have a long history of internet troulbe as you may also recall the man from Spain convicted on some sort of porn distrubition using Aruba.  Porn in and of itself is, of course, legal there.  Would have to be porn containing a crime to even be illegal.

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Anna there are lists of all providers with country codes, etc on google.

You are exactly right regarding the porn, it would likely require a snuff film for anything to be ruled illegal in Aruba. So what if they have been quite lax about allowing US tourists to be victimized and films exported out? Wouldn't that mean a rather large video trail they fear could be discovered? Wouldn't that warrant the most surface investigation possible if any and/or all of these suspects were involved even if just on the periphery?

[shadow]

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So Aruba is .aw and perhaps .ar is Argentina?  I wonder what Austria might be.  Anyway, they do have a long history of internet troulbe as you may also recall the man from Spain convicted on some sort of porn distrubition using Aruba.  Porn in and of itself is, of course, legal there.  Would have to be porn containing a crime to even be illegal.

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Anna there are lists of all providers with country codes, etc on google.

You are exactly right regarding the porn, it would likely require a snuff film for anything to be ruled illegal in Aruba. So what if they have been quite lax about allowing US tourists to be victimized and films exported out? Wouldn't that mean a rather large video trail they fear could be discovered? Wouldn't that warrant the most surface investigation possible if any and/or all of these suspects were involved even if just on the periphery?

Yes, it absolutely would.

[shadow]

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So Aruba is .aw and perhaps .ar is Argentina?  I wonder what Austria might be.  Anyway, they do have a long history of internet troulbe as you may also recall the man from Spain convicted on some sort of porn distrubition using Aruba.  Porn in and of itself is, of course, legal there.  Would have to be porn containing a crime to even be illegal.

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Anna there are lists of all providers with country codes, etc on google.

You are exactly right regarding the porn, it would likely require a snuff film for anything to be ruled illegal in Aruba. So what if they have been quite lax about allowing US tourists to be victimized and films exported out? Wouldn't that mean a rather large video trail they fear could be discovered? Wouldn't that warrant the most surface investigation possible if any and/or all of these suspects were involved even if just on the periphery?

What if it is a snuff porn ring that has been operating in Aruba?

[San]

I decided to go through the photos at the JoranBlog to see if there was anything I missed.  These photos were very dark so I lightened them up.  They are titled Celebrate and dated September 28, 2005 when Joran got out of detention.  Notice these photos appear to be taken in the VDS back yard.  Freddy, Satish, Joran and 3 girls.  So Joran seems to have remained friends with Satish.

Thats not Satish.  That's Raymbert or Darwin Dubero.

That looks like Satish to me.

[shadow]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his  statements??