Lively Case Discussion #510 8/11 - 8/12/2006

[nonesuche]

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I expect others may have found this before but read down to the review of Raphael Levy and the comments regarding Alberto Levy's own brother in relation to snuff porn?

http://www.judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm

[klaasend]

[shadow]

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I expect others may have found this before but read down to the review of Raphael Levy and the comments regarding Alberto Levy's own brother in relation to snuff porn?

http://www.judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm

Wow that is really disturbing and telling. Thank you for that information.

[Buckeye]

One more picture for your collection.

Is this who we thought was Paul Brough with Renzo??  Then pic of Joran a couple down..

http://tinyurl.com/nn6d2

Klaas

Did you see this earlier??

[shadow]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his statements??

[Leslie]

The letter is addressed to Mr. and Mrs. Paul (not Paulus)...
Wasn't it Medleyrelay who kept saying this at one of those sites??? His name is Paul....??  No US citizen or MSM has called him Paul, as far as I know..

That's right!  She insisted on it.  GOOD THINKING!

[klaasend]

One more picture for your collection.

Is this who we thought was Paul Brough with Renzo??  Then pic of Joran a couple down..

http://tinyurl.com/nn6d2

Klaas

Did you see this earlier??

I did see the Paul Brough with Renzo but hadn't copied it yet.  Somehow I missed Joran though.  I believe that's Flor with Joran:





THANKS!

[Spock]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his statements??

Great Question, I am interested in this as well

[klaasend]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his statements??

http://tinyurl.com/zrh5x

M-DCC HOSTS FIRST EVER COLLEGE-WIDE GED GRADUATION
 

Miami-Dade Community College recently held its first ever college-wide GED graduation celebrating the students from five M-DCC campuses who received their high school diplomas from M-DCC’s GED preparation program.

 

More than 100 students eligible for graduation participated in the ceremony on May 8th, held at M-DCC’s Wolfson Campus. The featured keynote speaker was T. Willard Fair, a distinguished member of he Florida Board of Education and president of the Urban League of Greater Miami.

 

During his speech, Fair reminded the graduates and guests of the important role that their families, friends and teachers played in their success in the GED program, and highlighted the students’ work and struggles to reach their goal. After Fair received a standing ovation, Homestead Campus student Charles James, who received his degree after through M-DCC’s online GED program, presented Fair with a certificate of appreciation.

 

Other students who successfully completed the GED program include Luis Cabrera of Homestead, who delivered an eloquent speech at the ceremony. He obtained his GED, and plans to graduate from M-DCC’s School of Aviation with an AA degree, with the goal of becoming a professional pilot.

 

Brother and sister Charine and John Charles Croes, who completed their GED studies through Kendall’s preparation program were also speakers. Sixteen-year-old Charine told the moving story of her arrival in the US with a high school diploma from Aruba, and her disappointment when learning that her abbreviated program there was not accepted as a diploma here. Charine passed her GED in April and will begin her college program in September at age 17, one year after entering the United States.

[shadow]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his statements??

Great Question, I am interested in this as well

I think he may be an important piece of the puzzle. Call it a gut feeling.

[Anna]

If there is a dollar anywhere they want to get their hands on it. Dompig demanding an accounting of Beth of a trust fund is laughable... Did he do that or that sounds like something Julia Renfro said.
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He actually did it KatGram and further suggested this could all be a life insurance scam by Beth to collect large benefits, etc.

Here is a complete article from GetaGrip's site about his thoughts on that:

Beth Twitty has to come give a declaration once more and explain what is happening with the emergency fund of millions of dollars, according to Dompig
DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005


ORANJESTAD(AAN): During an interview with Police Commissioner Dompig, he explained that the investigative team has invited Natalee Holloway’s mother, Beth Twitty to tell police more about the last contact she had with her daughter.

Dompig indicated that the mother has made her intention to boycott Aruba, while Natalee’s father has cooperated very well with the investigation.

The commissioner says that it is very lamentable that the mother prefers to have contact with police only through her lawyer or American ‘talkshows’.

He also explains that he fully denies to go on any talkshow to answer questions along with the mother.

In this way, the investigative team has invited Beth Twitty to come back to Aruba, to take her declaration again, seeing that there have been rumours around it, in which it was said that police in Aruba changed her declaration.

The investigative team also has different questions for the mother, about certain things surrounding this case, among others what is happening with the emergency fund that is available to them for this case.

The commissioner said that perhaps it’s difficult to ask certain questions, but they don’t have to lie to each other.

The case here is the mother's attacks on Aruba ending, so we are not afraid to ask certain questions.

Dompig indicated that he will ask the mother, what she did with the money that many people contributed with her, putting millions of dollars in a so-called ‘emergency fund’.

Another questions is: “ why doesn’t Natalee’s father have access to this money, when he has to ask for discounts here, like for example for his travel ticket”?

This is all he wants explained on the part of the mother of Natalee Holloway, because it’s part of the investigation. DIARIO asked Dompig if he has found any valuable tips.

The commissioner explains that every tip is assigned a number and if the tip results in being very good, the person can earn a reward, however the fund Dompig speaks of is a fund from people around the world, especially America, who have contributed with much money to help the family with expenses related to the case, that has now reached some million dollars.

According to Dompig, another important question is how this money is not used to help with payments of, for example, those who come to conduct searches in Aruba.

Commissioner Dompig showed as an example the tremendous work of Fred Golba made with his two dogs some time ago and explains that Golba wants to come back to continue searching.

Given that he is looking for funds to pay for his ticket and stay in Aruba to come search, how can he not find funds from the millions that Beth Twitty has from the fund?

This is also a very important part of the investigation. This because a case such as Natalee’s has different scenarios. One scenario is that a person killed Natalee, or for whatever reason she is no longer living.

Another scenario is that she is alive, but everything in the case is a ‘set up’, to profit in one way or another.

One possibility for example is that they said she is deceased, and they can collect the life insurance money, while in reality she is not deceased, but another way is that with collecting funds from people with good intentions that send money for the fund and the family enriches themselves.

If the mother gives information about how much money there is and how much money she is spending, he has no problem with this. However, if the mother has everything secret, this becomes part of the investigation because it puts the case in a different light.
DIARIO indicated that the more the mother appears on the programs, perhaps more money she finds for the fund. Dompig explains that the Task Force of Aruba, along with the government gave him the OK for him to go on the American live programs, but via telephone, for him to give the other side of the coin to what has happened and is happening with this case.

He explains that this has caused them to achieve a lot, seeing that America has said that at last Aruba is giving information, where they have started to look in another direction, to check other possibilities.

One of the possibilities for example, is that the three suspects are not guilty, or that they’re not the only guilty ones. Dompig explains that he is actually doing everything he can to find via the FBI the information that is missing about the group from America, more detailed declarations, so that they can exclude certain possibilities.

In no moment has Aruban police had a chance to exclude the group from Alabama in the investigation, because they left Aruba.

According to Commissioner Dompig he still has different important questions for the group, among others how they went to the airport if Natalee did not appear, and how they didn’t sound the alarm earlier than when they left, of those who where staying in the room with her.

[translated by Getagrip]




// posted by Getagrip @ 10/27/2005 10:52:00 AM

[shadow]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his statements??

http://tinyurl.com/zrh5x

M-DCC HOSTS FIRST EVER COLLEGE-WIDE GED GRADUATION
 

Miami-Dade Community College recently held its first ever college-wide GED graduation celebrating the students from five M-DCC campuses who received their high school diplomas from M-DCC’s GED preparation program.

 

More than 100 students eligible for graduation participated in the ceremony on May 8th, held at M-DCC’s Wolfson Campus. The featured keynote speaker was T. Willard Fair, a distinguished member of he Florida Board of Education and president of the Urban League of Greater Miami.

 

During his speech, Fair reminded the graduates and guests of the important role that their families, friends and teachers played in their success in the GED program, and highlighted the students’ work and struggles to reach their goal. After Fair received a standing ovation, Homestead Campus student Charles James, who received his degree after through M-DCC’s online GED program, presented Fair with a certificate of appreciation.

 

Other students who successfully completed the GED program include Luis Cabrera of Homestead, who delivered an eloquent speech at the ceremony. He obtained his GED, and plans to graduate from M-DCC’s School of Aviation with an AA degree, with the goal of becoming a professional pilot.

 

Brother and sister Charine and John Charles Croes, who completed their GED studies through Kendall’s preparation program were also speakers. Sixteen-year-old Charine told the moving story of her arrival in the US with a high school diploma from Aruba, and her disappointment when learning that her abbreviated program there was not accepted as a diploma here. Charine passed her GED in April and will begin her college program in September at age 17, one year after entering the United States.

Thanks Klass! You always have something. So is this a recent article? Do we happen to know his age?

I remember in one the first translation of the statement where Deepak mentioned John, his name was spelled John Chartes Croes. Was this determined to be an incorrect spelling?

[Lala'sMom]

Hi monkeys, the hall monitor is here now, so everyone behave or I will bring out my pencils.  

What's the topic tonight?

[Spock]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his statements??

Great Question, I am interested in this as well

I think he may be an important piece of the puzzle. Call it a gut feeling.

I agree, this is the friend Deepak said he messaged that "Natalee had her hands down his (Deepak's) pants" and later Deepak said he messaged that  that to "throw off the investigation".

[klaasend]

DINNER - BRB

[Lala'sMom]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his statements??

Great Question, I am interested in this as well

I think he may be an important piece of the puzzle. Call it a gut feeling.

I agree, this is the friend Deepak said he messaged that "Natalee had her hands down his (Deepak's) pants" and later Deepak said he messaged that  that to "throw off the investigation".

I have been asking that question for two days now.  Is this guy related to the Charles Croes in Aruba?  Son, maybe?

[Kat_Gram]

Thank you Anna, I did not remember that HE had said that.
I know from the few times ( and I am serious ) that I go to FoB or RU, this is a frequent speaking note of theirs. Plus that letter sure sounds like " Jan " and " Medley Relay ".

[klaasend]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his statements??

http://tinyurl.com/zrh5x

M-DCC HOSTS FIRST EVER COLLEGE-WIDE GED GRADUATION
 

Miami-Dade Community College recently held its first ever college-wide GED graduation celebrating the students from five M-DCC campuses who received their high school diplomas from M-DCC’s GED preparation program.

 

More than 100 students eligible for graduation participated in the ceremony on May 8th, held at M-DCC’s Wolfson Campus. The featured keynote speaker was T. Willard Fair, a distinguished member of he Florida Board of Education and president of the Urban League of Greater Miami.

 

During his speech, Fair reminded the graduates and guests of the important role that their families, friends and teachers played in their success in the GED program, and highlighted the students’ work and struggles to reach their goal. After Fair received a standing ovation, Homestead Campus student Charles James, who received his degree after through M-DCC’s online GED program, presented Fair with a certificate of appreciation.

 

Other students who successfully completed the GED program include Luis Cabrera of Homestead, who delivered an eloquent speech at the ceremony. He obtained his GED, and plans to graduate from M-DCC’s School of Aviation with an AA degree, with the goal of becoming a professional pilot.

 

Brother and sister Charine and John Charles Croes, who completed their GED studies through Kendall’s preparation program were also speakers. Sixteen-year-old Charine told the moving story of her arrival in the US with a high school diploma from Aruba, and her disappointment when learning that her abbreviated program there was not accepted as a diploma here. Charine passed her GED in April and will begin her college program in September at age 17, one year after entering the United States.

Thanks Klass! You always have something. So is this a recent article? Do we happen to know his age?

I remember in one the first translation of the statement where Deepak mentioned John, his name was spelled John Chartes Croes. Was this determined to be an incorrect spelling?

It's from May 30, 2003 so Charline would be about 19 now and I have a feeling that John Charles Croes is about a year older, so 20 or 21 now.

I just found that, will look for more on John Charles Croes now.

[Anna]

[I have been asking that question for two days now.  Is this guy related to the Charles Croes in Aruba?  Son, maybe?

  Wouldn't that be something??  How would we know?

.

[shadow]

Has anyone uncovered any information regarding John Charles Croes, friend of Deepak, supposedly lives in Miami and was on msn with Deepak the night Natalee was abducted, as stated in one of his statements??

http://tinyurl.com/zrh5x

M-DCC HOSTS FIRST EVER COLLEGE-WIDE GED GRADUATION
 

Miami-Dade Community College recently held its first ever college-wide GED graduation celebrating the students from five M-DCC campuses who received their high school diplomas from M-DCC’s GED preparation program.

 

More than 100 students eligible for graduation participated in the ceremony on May 8th, held at M-DCC’s Wolfson Campus. The featured keynote speaker was T. Willard Fair, a distinguished member of he Florida Board of Education and president of the Urban League of Greater Miami.

 

During his speech, Fair reminded the graduates and guests of the important role that their families, friends and teachers played in their success in the GED program, and highlighted the students’ work and struggles to reach their goal. After Fair received a standing ovation, Homestead Campus student Charles James, who received his degree after through M-DCC’s online GED program, presented Fair with a certificate of appreciation.

 

Other students who successfully completed the GED program include Luis Cabrera of Homestead, who delivered an eloquent speech at the ceremony. He obtained his GED, and plans to graduate from M-DCC’s School of Aviation with an AA degree, with the goal of becoming a professional pilot.

 

Brother and sister Charine and John Charles Croes, who completed their GED studies through Kendall’s preparation program were also speakers. Sixteen-year-old Charine told the moving story of her arrival in the US with a high school diploma from Aruba, and her disappointment when learning that her abbreviated program there was not accepted as a diploma here. Charine passed her GED in April and will begin her college program in September at age 17, one year after entering the United States.

Thanks Klass! You always have something. So is this a recent article? Do we happen to know his age?

I remember in one the first translation of the statement where Deepak mentioned John, his name was spelled John Chartes Croes. Was this determined to be an incorrect spelling?

It's from May 30, 2003 so Charline would be about 19 now and I have a feeling that John Charles Croes is about a year older, so 20 or 21 now.

I just found that, will look for more on John Charles Croes now.

You rock Klass!