Lively Case Discussion #478 6/23 - 6/24/2006

[Buckeye]

FINGERPRINTS ON THE WEIGHTS?

Last night after we heard about the weights, we were speculating on whether the weights would hold fngerprints after being in the water for a year. I did some reserach on it and it doesn't sound very likely.

How long do fingerprints last on evidence?  Fingerprints on paper, cardboard and unfinished wood can last for up to forty years (per actual casework histories) unless exposed to water (and contaminate transfer prints can even then sometimes persist).  Fingerprints on non-porous surfaces such as plastic, metal and glass can last for many years if not exposed to water and if left undisturbed.

http://onin.com/fp/lpfaq.html#what_kinds_of_evidence

Well, it looks like the sandbags you fill to prevent water during flooding.  Those bags have to be propped open to fill with sand...then tied...I swear it looks like spilled sand over the top of the bag.  There could be prints around the edges.  Maybe that was what they wanted the DNA for (not the toothbrush).  If I remember correctly, the first time I heard the shoe story was from Tromp and Dave during the draining of the pond...maybe they found one shoe in the plastic and were looking for the other in the water????

[tidycat]

Klaas:

Tom is going to get the threads back, I'm sure of it. It won't be a problem to post most of the maps when the site gets back to normal. It's bare bones right now.

Thank you!  Then you'll have most of the info all together in one spot for reference.  Thank you for all the hard work and time you have put into doing that.

[LouiseVargas]

Hello to the Monkeys who are still here,

I was distressed that the board wasn't working yesterday. Today I was busy all day and just signed on and read the back pages. I'm so sorry the board is still in flux and I want to thank Tom for his working in trying to get everything up and running again.

On the front page, in pic of the white bag, I do see the form of a body. On all the subsequent pics posted on this thread, I don't see a body. But as my very smart adopted daughter, SunFreak2 said, "First, we can't tell anything about the size of anything b/c there is nothing in the photo to give us a size relationship." I don't see feet or shoes (regarding Joran).  I see a body in a fetal position laying on it's left side, head bent down, back curved, legs bent and feet at the right. But what do I know?

As for what Rob posted at BFN, I no longer have confidence in anything he says. I don't believe he is making stuff up, but his head is somewhere in outer space lately. Just my humble opinion.

I missed Greta and John Q discussing the weights last night. Can anyone give me a clue? And if they are weights, how do the fit into the case? Was that picture supposed to show that the white bag was connected to the weights and they found the bag and weights in the water?

[LouiseVargas]

I heard over and over, from Beth, that the flip flops were brown. I specifically noted that because I would never wear brown flip flops with that outfit.

[SSD]

Good evening, Monkeys!  Like everyone here, I am thankful to have the forum back, even in its "bare-bones state".   I also want to thank Tom and Red and Mrs. Red for their work, time, and patience.  They are doing a very good work here, and I hope they know how much they are appreciated by so many.

SSD

[LouiseVargas]

Additionally, I don't understand what happened to the board that made it go down. Is Tom saying the company that provides the server no good or that their servers don't last or they wear out way too soon?

[Buckeye]

Louise

Go to FP post Aruba Police Task force....  scroll down to June 22 10:37 pm...there is transcriptions of Greta with JQK.

[Buckeye]

I heard over and over, from Beth, that the flip flops were brown. I specifically noted that because I would never wear brown flip flops with that outfit.

The FBI says black...so who knows??

[klaasend]

I heard over and over, from Beth, that the flip flops were brown. I specifically noted that because I would never wear brown flip flops with that outfit.

I heard the same thing Louise - I was surprised to see the FBI site says black.

[klaasend]

Additionally, I don't understand what happened to the board that made it go down. Is Tom saying the company that provides the server no good or that their servers don't last or they wear out way too soon?

Sounds like the hard drives they use fail way too often.  I suggested Tom find out if they are getting their hard drives from the "flea market"  

[Whodunit?]

Good evening!  Thanks for getting us back, Tom.

Very interesting development, not sure what to make from it yet.

Hey look, it's the edit button!  THERE IS A GOD!

Wow, how many times can you edit?

[Whodunit?]

Hello hello hello........anyone here?

[Whodunit?]

Should I turn out the lights?

[justinsmama]

There's an edit button?!  

[justinsmama]

Should I turn out the lights?

No! Can't see the edit button with the lights out!

[Whodunit?]

HA!  Can you see it now????? Maybe I should shhhhhhhhh before Red takes it away again?  Or maybe mine is special?

[klaasend]

Don't get too attached to the edit button, it probably won't last long, lol  

[Whodunit?]

Don't get too attached to the edit button, it probably won't last long, lol  

I had a feeling.........

[whytegirl]

Been lurking, catching up...hi guys!

[LouiseVargas]

On my screen, I don't see an edit button.