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Social & Domestic Issues
Replace Liberal with Morally Decayed
by Mike Thompson
Posted Jun 23, 2005
Fifty years ago, a decade after Europeans had been extricated from the hellhole of World War Two by their magnanimous American cousins, the Old World denizens again were enjoying the fruits of civility envisioned for them in their Maker’s original Garden of Eden.
Yet, British writer William Golding, eventual winner of a Nobel Price for literature, foresaw how easily barbarism again could vanquish the West’s inherent Christian decency. His Lord of the Flies, published in 1954, was the first of three allegorical novels that would explore fundamental challenges to human existence, survival and freedom. Lord of the Flies specifically describes the horrific slide into savagery by aband of young children following the crash of their plane on a small tropical island (not too unlike Aruba, in the southern Caribbean).
True to Golding’sprophetic vision, by the mid- 1960s Western Europe, including the redoubtable British Isles, had begun a hedonistic rear march into the hypnotic ancient land of Anything Goes. In the Netherlands (AKA Holland), the Dutch even would coin a word to describe their retreat to moral anarchy: gedoogcultuur, “the culture of permissiveness.” (Remember, these are the same people who a few decades earlier had contributed to English language the term “Dutch uncle,” that is, a stern, relatively decent mentor who tries to keep others on the straight and narrow path.)
Here, as Golding predicted with clarity, are some terminal, cancerous, liberal sores that today fester on Holland’s once-traditional and healthy body politic:
Scantily clad prostitutes laze about in urban storefronts so that sex-hungry passersby can window-shop for a steamy middle-of-the-day liaison. Meantime, the Sex Workers Union (blue-collar hookers) is pushing the Dutch government to allow the pimpish labor bosses to crank up in Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport the fastfood-restaurant-sounding “YumYum Caviar Club,” which actually would be a bordello for horny in-transit travelers. (One of the Netherlands’ biggest imports has become “whordes,”so to speak, of attractive young East European women to replace the aging pool of native Dutch prostitutes.)
Local and tourist pedophiles, the most unrepentent of dirty old men, roam the land with impunity since the 1990 national “reform” legislation lowered the age of sexual consent to 12 (think of your own children and grandchildren when they were that age, one year shy of being even a teenager).
The grossest pornography available can be purchased in chain grocery stores, just down the aisle from tofu and skim milk, and graphic nudity is a big hit on “family hour” prime-time, through-the-air television.
Marriage is a legal right of homosexuals, even if it includes serial infidelity on both sides.
“Dutch treat” has become another perverted expression, no longer meaning that two people at the same table simply pay for their own share of the food or drink bill. The only Dutch “treat” today is physically, mentally and socially ruinous, and exemplified by 210 Amsterdam “coffee shops” that really are dens for foreign and domestic marijuana users, and 75 “bars” for hash heads. Holland has become the drug capital of Europe and is blamed by Britain and France for exporting at least 80% of the heroin marketed into those countries, and 100% of the trade in nightmarish psychedelic substance Ecstasy.Meantime, absorbed with systemic liberal guilt over its colonial past, the Netherlands has opened the floodgates for immigrants from Indonesia, the Islamic colony in Asia which the Dutch ruled for three
Meantime, absorbed with systemic liberal guilt over its colonial past, the Netherlands has opened the floodgates for immigrants from Indonesia, the Islamic colony in Asia which the Dutch ruled for three centuries. This has resulted in one million Muslims (6% of Netherlands’ population) living in little Holland (slightly larger than Maryland), whose four largest cities now count Muslims under age 14 as the majority of their youth. Such immigration also has resulted in an outbreak of deadly tit-for-tat terrorism between Indonesians and a handful of unapologetically militant Dutch nationalists.
All these sad details of Dutch decay are important because it goes a long way toward explaining what is happening, and not happening, in Dutch-owned Aruba, an island speck that is a world away geographically but only a heartbeat away culturally from the motherland.
No longer a colony but a full-fledged political division of the distant Netherlands, Aruba is a mélange of 70,000 multicultural souls on an island off the South American coast about the size of Washington, DC.
Like Mother Holland, Aruba boasts that its crime rate is “very low.” Also like Mother Holland, however, Aruba has a low crime rate in large part because so little tawdry and outright dangerous activity in its laissez-faire environment actually qualifies as a crime; furthermore, if such activity is criminal, the police tradition in many cases (based on the Dutch model) is to wink at the perps and head for the nearest Dunkin’van Donuts for a quick sugar-fix. In the wake of the highly reported May 20 disappearance of teenage American tourist Natalee Holloway, USA Today has reported this less-than-professional Aruban attitude toward crime statistics:
“Detailed crime statistics are hard to come by: In 2003, the most recent year with available data, there were 4,236 crimes, though no specifics on those against tourists. According to Aruba's attorney general, five homicides were reported last year. But police have not provided a breakdown of offenses since 1995, says Martijn Balkestein of the Central Bureau of Statistics.”
A more frightening portrait of Dutch/Aruban police incompetence in dealing with “noncriminal criminals” emerged in an Associated Press story that details how Natalee’skinfolk in Alabama, not the Karibbean Kops, nailed the prime suspect, the playboy son of an influential local official:
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Frijole
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Hi All! Good to have a place to chat - now that there is sort of some news!
FYI - Rob just posted this at BFN...
Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - JUNE, 2006
« Reply #263 on: Today at 03:16:09 PM »
I recieved some info that this columbian guy does not have any info and could be lying.. as most may know.. i have known about this guy since around the first week of may or end of april, then he fell off the radar..there might not be a condom, and if there is ~ it is not in the possession of the ALE, as i understand what was just related to me..i also was told at the time he passed some background checks and some other type of testing and that he may be more than a witness currently...if he has a condom, it could still be in Venezuela.
however the belt found by Art Wood was found fifty feet from the rock area.
and this is where Dave spotted Halley shutting the trunk of the car..
also, there was a columbian boy apparently recovered in the dunes area.. 1 YEAR prior to Natalee disappearing.
that is a fact known only to a few ppl, and that info was disclosed before the massive searching began for Natalee..
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Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Social & Domestic Issues
Replace Liberal with Morally Decayed
by Mike Thompson
Posted Jun 23, 2005
Fifty years ago, a decade after Europeans had been extricated from the hellhole of World War Two by their magnanimous American cousins, the Old World denizens again were enjoying the fruits of civility envisioned for them in their Maker’s original Garden of Eden.
Yet, British writer William Golding, eventual winner of a Nobel Price for literature, foresaw how easily barbarism again could vanquish the West’s inherent Christian decency. His Lord of the Flies, published in 1954, was the first of three allegorical novels that would explore fundamental challenges to human existence, survival and freedom. Lord of the Flies specifically describes the horrific slide into savagery by aband of young children following the crash of their plane on a small tropical island (not too unlike Aruba, in the southern Caribbean).
True to Golding’sprophetic vision, by the mid- 1960s Western Europe, including the redoubtable British Isles, had begun a hedonistic rear march into the hypnotic ancient land of Anything Goes. In the Netherlands (AKA Holland), the Dutch even would coin a word to describe their retreat to moral anarchy: gedoogcultuur, “the culture of permissiveness.” (Remember, these are the same people who a few decades earlier had contributed to English language the term “Dutch uncle,” that is, a stern, relatively decent mentor who tries to keep others on the straight and narrow path.)
Here, as Golding predicted with clarity, are some terminal, cancerous, liberal sores that today fester on Holland’s once-traditional and healthy body politic:
Scantily clad prostitutes laze about in urban storefronts so that sex-hungry passersby can window-shop for a steamy middle-of-the-day liaison. Meantime, the Sex Workers Union (blue-collar hookers) is pushing the Dutch government to allow the pimpish labor bosses to crank up in Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport the fastfood-restaurant-sounding “YumYum Caviar Club,” which actually would be a bordello for horny in-transit travelers. (One of the Netherlands’ biggest imports has become “whordes,”so to speak, of attractive young East European women to replace the aging pool of native Dutch prostitutes.)
Local and tourist pedophiles, the most unrepentent of dirty old men, roam the land with impunity since the 1990 national “reform” legislation lowered the age of sexual consent to 12 (think of your own children and grandchildren when they were that age, one year shy of being even a teenager).
The grossest pornography available can be purchased in chain grocery stores, just down the aisle from tofu and skim milk, and graphic nudity is a big hit on “family hour” prime-time, through-the-air television.
Marriage is a legal right of homosexuals, even if it includes serial infidelity on both sides.
“Dutch treat” has become another perverted expression, no longer meaning that two people at the same table simply pay for their own share of the food or drink bill. The only Dutch “treat” today is physically, mentally and socially ruinous, and exemplified by 210 Amsterdam “coffee shops” that really are dens for foreign and domestic marijuana users, and 75 “bars” for hash heads. Holland has become the drug capital of Europe and is blamed by Britain and France for exporting at least 80% of the heroin marketed into those countries, and 100% of the trade in nightmarish psychedelic substance Ecstasy.Meantime, absorbed with systemic liberal guilt over its colonial past, the Netherlands has opened the floodgates for immigrants from Indonesia, the Islamic colony in Asia which the Dutch ruled for three
Meantime, absorbed with systemic liberal guilt over its colonial past, the Netherlands has opened the floodgates for immigrants from Indonesia, the Islamic colony in Asia which the Dutch ruled for three centuries. This has resulted in one million Muslims (6% of Netherlands’ population) living in little Holland (slightly larger than Maryland), whose four largest cities now count Muslims under age 14 as the majority of their youth. Such immigration also has resulted in an outbreak of deadly tit-for-tat terrorism between Indonesians and a handful of unapologetically militant Dutch nationalists.
All these sad details of Dutch decay are important because it goes a long way toward explaining what is happening, and not happening, in Dutch-owned Aruba, an island speck that is a world away geographically but only a heartbeat away culturally from the motherland.
No longer a colony but a full-fledged political division of the distant Netherlands, Aruba is a mélange of 70,000 multicultural souls on an island off the South American coast about the size of Washington, DC.
Like Mother Holland, Aruba boasts that its crime rate is “very low.” Also like Mother Holland, however, Aruba has a low crime rate in large part because so little tawdry and outright dangerous activity in its laissez-faire environment actually qualifies as a crime; furthermore, if such activity is criminal, the police tradition in many cases (based on the Dutch model) is to wink at the perps and head for the nearest Dunkin’van Donuts for a quick sugar-fix. In the wake of the highly reported May 20 disappearance of teenage American tourist Natalee Holloway, USA Today has reported this less-than-professional Aruban attitude toward crime statistics:
“Detailed crime statistics are hard to come by: In 2003, the most recent year with available data, there were 4,236 crimes, though no specifics on those against tourists. According to Aruba's attorney general, five homicides were reported last year. But police have not provided a breakdown of offenses since 1995, says Martijn Balkestein of the Central Bureau of Statistics.”
A more frightening portrait of Dutch/Aruban police incompetence in dealing with “noncriminal criminals” emerged in an Associated Press story that details how Natalee’skinfolk in Alabama, not the Karibbean Kops, nailed the prime suspect, the playboy son of an influential local official:
Sunfreak, you rock!!!!!!
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Hey Monkeys...
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Hey Monkeys...
Hi Mrs. Red
Awful quiet in here
Thanks to TOM and Red for getting us off the FP.
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Quote from: "Frijole"
Hi All! Good to have a place to chat - now that there is sort of some news!
FYI - Rob just posted this at BFN...
Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - JUNE, 2006
« Reply #263 on: Today at 03:16:09 PM »
I recieved some info that this columbian guy does not have any info and could be lying.. as most may know.. i have known about this guy since around the first week of may or end of april, then he fell off the radar..there might not be a condom, and if there is ~ it is not in the possession of the ALE, as i understand what was just related to me..i also was told at the time he passed some background checks and some other type of testing and that he may be more than a witness currently...if he has a condom, it could still be in Venezuela.
however the belt found by Art Wood was found fifty feet from the rock area.
and this is where Dave spotted Halley shutting the trunk of the car..
also, there was a columbian boy apparently recovered in the dunes area.. 1 YEAR prior to Natalee disappearing.
that is a fact known only to a few ppl, and that info was disclosed before the massive searching began for Natalee..
Someone just sent me that, but I'm not sure I understand it. Does anyone else?
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Angiex911dsptchr
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Hi everyone.. Nice to see yah~!
EASYWROTER.. can you check your email when you get a moment? TY!
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Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hi everyone.. Nice to see yah~!
EASYWROTER.. can you check your email when you get a moment? TY!
Sorry EASYWRITER.. (leave it up to me to typo already.. lol ughh)
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Reading Robs post... more then a witness? Could that possibly mean a suspect????
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Hi Angie - not sure where everyone is right now. Think they are waiting on Tom to get the rest of the forum posts loaded.
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Hi Angie - not sure where everyone is right now. Think they are waiting on Tom to get the rest of the forum posts loaded.
Howdy Klaas~! Ummm.. are we not suppose to be posting here?
I am a little lost.. been working.. and out of the loop~!
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Quote from: "klaasend"
Hi Angie - not sure where everyone is right now. Think they are waiting on Tom to get the rest of the forum posts loaded.
Howdy Klaas~! Ummm.. are we not suppose to be posting here?
I am a little lost.. been working.. and out of the loop~!
Hey guys,
I read Rob's post that was brought over and I didn't really understand it either. It sounds kind of contradictory, so I assume that means I'm missing something.
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Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Hi Angie - not sure where everyone is right now. Think they are waiting on Tom to get the rest of the forum posts loaded.
Howdy Klaas~! Ummm.. are we not suppose to be posting here?
I am a little lost.. been working.. and out of the loop~!
Tom hasn't said no, so I guess it's OK. I just don't want to post too much that needs to be moved later, like alot of photos.
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Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Hi Angie - not sure where everyone is right now. Think they are waiting on Tom to get the rest of the forum posts loaded.
Howdy Klaas~! Ummm.. are we not suppose to be posting here?
I am a little lost.. been working.. and out of the loop~!
Tom hasn't said no, so I guess it's OK. I just don't want to post too much that needs to be moved later, like alot of photos.
Well hell.. nobody has to worry about me posting pics..LMAO
I tryed once and blew the pages~!!
TY Tom for working on the boo boo .. whatever it is~!! HUGS!
HI MOM~!
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Hey monkeys! What's shakin? Besides my bee-hiney, that is
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Quote from: "mishy"
Hey monkeys! What's shakin? Besides my bee-hiney, that is
Hi Mishy.. we all be naked right now..lol
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Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Hi All! Good to have a place to chat - now that there is sort of some news!
FYI - Rob just posted this at BFN...
Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - JUNE, 2006
« Reply #263 on: Today at 03:16:09 PM »
I recieved some info that this columbian guy does not have any info and could be lying.. as most may know.. i have known about this guy since around the first week of may or end of april, then he fell off the radar..there might not be a condom, and if there is ~ it is not in the possession of the ALE, as i understand what was just related to me..i also was told at the time he passed some background checks and some other type of testing and that he may be more than a witness currently...if he has a condom, it could still be in Venezuela.
however the belt found by Art Wood was found fifty feet from the rock area.
and this is where Dave spotted Halley shutting the trunk of the car..
also, there was a columbian boy apparently recovered in the dunes area.. 1 YEAR prior to Natalee disappearing.
that is a fact known only to a few ppl, and that info was disclosed before the massive searching began for Natalee..
Someone just sent me that, but I'm not sure I understand it. Does anyone else?
What he's saying here is the 7yr old boy that was found happened a year before Natalee disappeared - was found a year before Natalee was in Aruba. That would mean the rock area is a NH crime scene and not that of a 7yr old boy.
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Can someone email me the link to BFN back up ?? TIA
Angiex911dsptchr@aol.com
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Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Hi All! Good to have a place to chat - now that there is sort of some news!
FYI - Rob just posted this at BFN...
Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - JUNE, 2006
« Reply #263 on: Today at 03:16:09 PM »
I recieved some info that this columbian guy does not have any info and could be lying.. as most may know.. i have known about this guy since around the first week of may or end of april, then he fell off the radar..there might not be a condom, and if there is ~ it is not in the possession of the ALE, as i understand what was just related to me..i also was told at the time he passed some background checks and some other type of testing and that he may be more than a witness currently...if he has a condom, it could still be in Venezuela.
however the belt found by Art Wood was found fifty feet from the rock area.
and this is where Dave spotted Halley shutting the trunk of the car..
also, there was a columbian boy apparently recovered in the dunes area.. 1 YEAR prior to Natalee disappearing.
that is a fact known only to a few ppl, and that info was disclosed before the massive searching began for Natalee..
Someone just sent me that, but I'm not sure I understand it. Does anyone else?
I'm not sure either but I thought it was interesting that he too is hearing that the witness may be involved.
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===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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