Lively Case Discussion #478 6/23 - 6/24/2006

[Frijole]

But what is in it?

Sure, I'm game...

I'll swap ya some eggplant rollitini or Gudzjajeil sangvich for it! LOL

If you saw the photo AZ posted - it's a ground beef mix inside a hot dough (thick almost like Calzone dough).  There is finely ground cabbage in the seasoned beef.  I can't really taste it (cabbage) that much but I think that is why the chain has not grown beyond the midwest.

[crazybabyborg]

I am so confused.... I thought that at one point Beth(?) or someone said that according to the police statements made... there was proof that they never went to the beach... am I wrong?

Beth is certain they went to Joran's apt. She has said many times that she doesn't know what happened beyond that.
BTW, Hiya, Mrs. Red!

[klaasend]

I am so confused.... I thought that at one point Beth(?) or someone said that according to the police statements made... there was proof that they never went to the beach... am I wrong?

They never went to the Marriott Beach for a walk.  The beach story the Columbian is telling is a different area north of where the Fisherman's Huts are.

[mrs. red]

I am so confused.... I thought that at one point Beth(?) or someone said that according to the police statements made... there was proof that they never went to the beach... am I wrong?

Beth is certain they went to Joran's apt. She has said many times that she doesn't know what happened beyond that.
BTW, Hiya, Mrs. Red!

Thanks for that CBB... makes sense...

[wreck]

Question...................condoms are available with spermicide. Would that destroy DNA?

No, spermacides might kill the "swimmers" but the genetic material should still be there.

[justinsmama]

Finely crumbled hamburger, onions, spices--that's what I could discern.

Sounds similar to what my family calls a "McMahan burger". Brother's best friend's family got us started on the (hence, the name). Ground hamburger with onion soup.

[Kat_Gram]

I always tell myself when I hear a new rumor or story, to stop and consider the events of the story rationally in light of what I know about the people involved.  People are predictable.  They behave in very predictable ways.  Lazy people continue to behave in lazy ways; energetic people continue to do active and energetic things.  However, people do not generally do bizarre things totally out of their nature at 3 am just for the fun of it.  This story is not in line with what we know about Joran and how he behaves.

You are so correct. Certain personality types ( even sociopaths ) have predictable patterns of behaviour.
Joran expects things to go his way. And they do because he had family
enablers who are in denial about their son. It seems as if others have done the dirty work for him.  

[Easywriter]

EASYWRITER - if you are still here, could you please help us understand a little more about what you meant?  I'd hate to see us speculate in the wrong direction.

I will email you and ask you to use discretion.

[LouiseVargas]

The fact that no one could elucidate on the drainage ditch, the plastic bag info has no relevance, IMHB. Would the body disposers be so stupid as to put Nat in a bag with a weight? Uh uh. Either she was on the shark side of the island or she was taken way out where the currents would take her to Panama. No one would be that stupid ... except J2K, assuming they had no help and Paulus and his friends were not invovled.

[justinsmama]

But what is in it?

Sure, I'm game...

I'll swap ya some eggplant rollitini or Gudzjajeil sangvich for it! LOL

If you saw the photo AZ posted - it's a ground beef mix inside a hot dough (thick almost like Calzone dough).  There is finely ground cabbage in the seasoned beef.  I can't really taste it (cabbage) that much but I think that is why the chain has not grown beyond the midwest.

Ooh! I would like it!

[crazybabyborg]

Maybe the condom thing is like the shoe thing. Joran makes a point of addressing the shoes because he knows it's a problem, so he also makes a point to say he didn't have a condom, because he knows it could be found as well.

YES! That is what I was getting at! His public statements are feeble attempts to clean up the problems with his alibis.

"Truth with a twist" goes back all the way to the Garden and is the earmark of the father of all lies. I agree with you, wreck. We're in pretty good company with that belief, too. It's Bibical.  

[Frijole]

Finely crumbled hamburger, onions, spices--that's what I could discern.

Sounds similar to what my family calls a "McMahan burger". Brother's best friend's family got us started on the (hence, the name). Ground hamburger with onion soup.

Add finely chopped cooked cabbage.  Dough completely surrounds beef - like a Calzone and same texture.  The Swiss Cheese Mushroom one is good!!

[AZLady]

CBB, you're right.   We could make a list of the items that could be used as evidence if they could only be located--and I think they might be found, but conveniently lost again.  Let's see--
*  there's Natalee's panties, described to Beth by Anita (that is just plain weird!),
*  the condom that Joran didn't have,
*  the drugs that Natalee had (ya--right--she was given them),
*  the shoes that Joran left at the beach--size 14 of course,
*   the odd stop at Joran's house on the way to the beach, but they didn't go in,
*  the sharks Natalee asked to go see.

This is just off the top of my head, but there are other odd references that just don't fit in the picture.  If it seems weird or out of place, there is a reason.  It is significant.

[San]

OMG - Thank you San!!  YOU ROCK!

SAN!!

Did you do that using only one hand or does this mean the other is recovering????    Those of us who can't do it with two hands are impressed!  

Whichever, it has to mean you are better or at the least making nice progress!  That is wonderful news!

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I did use one hand and one finger on my right hand.   My hand is still numb and I can't feel anything.  I can move my arm a little more but still can't lift it over my head or pick anything up that has a little weight or I will drop it (I dropped a camera last week and broke it ).

[Frijole]

But what is in it?

Sure, I'm game...

I'll swap ya some eggplant rollitini or Gudzjajeil sangvich for it! LOL

If you saw the photo AZ posted - it's a ground beef mix inside a hot dough (thick almost like Calzone dough).  There is finely ground cabbage in the seasoned beef.  I can't really taste it (cabbage) that much but I think that is why the chain has not grown beyond the midwest.

Ooh! I would like it!

I have a recipe I will post tomorrow in the Lounge!!  Pretty close to the real thing.  Am writing a note to myself now.

[crazybabyborg]

Question...................condoms are available with spermicide. Would that destroy DNA?

No, spermacides might kill the "swimmers" but the genetic material should still be there.

ThX!!! Line-up rerun coming on.

[Lala'sMom]

I am so confused.... I thought that at one point Beth(?) or someone said that according to the police statements made... there was proof that they never went to the beach... am I wrong?

Dompig said they didn't go to the beach...I'm with you on this.

[San]

I am so confused.... I thought that at one point Beth(?) or someone said that according to the police statements made... there was proof that they never went to the beach... am I wrong?

mrs. red Jossy mentioned something like that in his interview with Dana las week.

[mrs. red]

what about the hitler references... even the guido weiver parents made an odd reference about that...

[Kat_Gram]

CBB, you're right.   We could make a list of the items that could be used as evidence if they could only be located--and I think they might be found, but conveniently lost again.  Let's see--
*  there's Natalee's panties, described to Beth by Anita (that is just plain weird!),
*  the condom that Joran didn't have,
*  the drugs that Natalee had (ya--right--she was given them),
*  the shoes that Joran left at the beach--size 14 of course,
*   the odd stop at Joran's house on the way to the beach, but they didn't go in,
*  the sharks Natalee asked to go see.

This is just off the top of my head, but there are other odd references that just don't fit in the picture.  If it seems weird or out of place, there is a reason.  It is significant.

Deepak being out of cell phone minutes.
Satish putting in a porno flick by LaCabana.