Natalee Case Discussion #677 8/12 - 8/16/2007

[klaasend]

Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

[klaasend]

If you are looking for everyone, we are in the NEW Monkey Musing Daily Discussion thread  :wink:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2027.0

If you have actual news in the Natalee Holloway case, please do post it in this thread.  The old LCD has been moved to Monkey Musing. 

[Slogger]

I don't know how I missed KLPD's activities at the Racquet Club.  Does anyone know more about what they did there?

[Nut44x4]

For GrannyToad>>Bringing this over from last night...I am not caught up yet...It seems it has been stated several times that Guido got out of work that early morning at 3AM. I do not have links for that, but that is what I remember reading in several places. True or not...I do not know.


Quote from: igsigs on August 11, 2007, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: GrannyToad on August 11, 2007, 08:07:02 PM
How did Guido get into this picture, charged as suspected as being accomplice to among other things heavy battery, "Grievous Bodily Harm". What time did Guido leave work that late night?

Anybody think that Guido was questioned in the first week of June 05 because of scratch/other witnesses, unrelated to Joran...initially?

[klaasend]

I don't know how I missed KLPD's activities at the Racquet Club.  Does anyone know more about what they did there?

I think it was mentioned by Jossy on Dana Pretzer.  That KLPD did do some "looking around" in the Racquet Club area. This was after the search of the Sloot home and the Kalpoes.

[Slogger]

Tito alerted us to Guido Wever early; but, it was under the name of "Lorenzo Wever."  This was before I was aware of Tito's close association to Julia.

IIRC, we heard Guido left work earlier than 3 am.  Sometime later, we heard about scratches.  Spong's reference to makeup leads folks to believe there were scratches.  If Spong is as good as said, I wonder why he would claim makeup.

[Slogger]

I don't know how I missed KLPD's activities at the Racquet Club.  Does anyone know more about what they did there?

I think it was mentioned by Jossy on Dana Pretzer.  That KLPD did do some "looking around" in the Racquet Club area. This was after the search of the Sloot home and the Kalpoes.

There was mention of activity as the lighthouse.  I think it was a van and dogs, but nothing much ensued.  It could have been a survey of the area, or exercising the dogs at a potential site.

[Slogger]

Because the case only thread was really moving the other day, I'll rattle on for a while until others jump in.

One rumor seems to be squashed.  The group at the bus stop doesn't exist, MO.  We have heard nothing confirming it from MBers.  Granted, we haven't seen all the 302s; but, I would think there would be an interest in where Natalee was seen next.  The bus stop doesn't fit in.  The boy in the white shirt has not come forward.

Deepak had an interest in making the scenario appear that Natalee was in the car willingly, that Natalee had an opportunity to exit the car and refused to leave.  Deepak has a motive for portraying these actions as factual.

There is no supporting data.  MO, it's fictional.

[Observer]

http://www.bordercollie.eu/index.php?option=com_ezine&Itemid=135



deze film geeft Giliam van der Straaten een demonstratie schapen scheren.
Hij legt uit hoe je het beste een schaap kunt scheren en waar je op moet letten.

Babelfish translation
Nieuwsgierig? Bekijk dan snel deze film!
this film gives a demonstration to Giliam of of the Straaten sheep shaves. He lays from how you the bests can a sheep shave and where you must pay attention to. Curious? Bekijk then fast this film!

[klaasend]

Posted at Scrux by Jonathan45

Jonathan45
Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 49

 Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Scenario A 

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The timeline is Joran's lying truth.

At 1.40am the Kalpoe brothers and Joran arrived [after leaving C & C's] at the VDSresidence and stopped there nearby.
At 1.40am Natalee seems to be alive and also present.
At 2.26am Joran makes the only cellphone call to Deepak in Hooiberg.
At 3.11 Joran sends a cell phone sms message to Flor.
At 3.13am Joran sends a cell phone sms message to Deepak.
At 3.33.08am Joran sends a msn message [ computer] to Deepak.
At 3.35.32am Joran sends a msn to Deepak.
At 3.40am Joran visited on the internet fcbarcelona.com, livescore.com and soccernet.com.
At 3.46am Joran visited the pornsite backseatbangers.com and 10 minutes later nastydollars.com, where he downloaded two pornmovies.
At 4.30am Joran viewed his hotmailaccount and MSN.

Scenario A is about the only prime suspect: Joran van der Sloot.

Joran's intention was to have sex with Natalee in his appartment.
Here the assumption is that Joran and Natalee factual left Deepak's car
at approximately 1.40am on monday May 30, 2005.
So 45 minutes later Joran called Deepak, who stated later that the connection was not that good and Joran was heavily breathing.
After that call it lasted 35 minutes to put another fact on his alibi timeline.
At 3.33am Joran is at home.
Between 4.00am and 4.30am Joran downloaded two pornmovies.
Was Joran during those downloads at home ?

Why does Joran compares himself with a professional killer ? [page 93]
Why is Joran describing himself as a very, very sick person ? [page 93]
Why is he writing about the murder of Natalee ? [page 93]


Joran's book is a confession.
 

[Slogger]

Page 93 looks to be an important page.  I can't find it at bfn.  Chapter 9 begins with page 97.

[klaasend]

Brought over from Monkey Musing thread:

Question for anyone that used to post at the NataleeHolloway.net site before it went down.

Opus has posted old Billyright posts that are claimed to be from the NH.net site from July 30, 2005.  My problem with the Billyright posts are that I can find NOTHING except reference to these July posts.  It was posted last year on the front page of SM as well. 

My question is if anyone remembers Billyright?  Do you know of he was in Aruba?  What is to say Billyright isn't another Kelmal/Gretamal or just someone with an overactive imagination.

Billy used to confront Scubajap on the RWV thingie and when he posted to her, he seemed to know her and Julia and said things that made me feel that he knew them and had been in Aruba.  I was told that Billy was from Palm Beach and had some personal grudge against Aruba (I cannot remember for what) but that was told to me by someone who might have been lapping at the saucer of AHATA.

There is a (billy  right) William Wright/Aruba...
http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=501
this person would probably know Julia.
For some reason billyrights posts seem to be a 'young poster'...not a man and there is a musician called billyright
http://billyright.com/
www.myspace.cn/billyright1  (WHICH WAS WORKING a few minutes ago, but not at the moment)
Anyway...this is all I have found so far.

So what do those old posts actually say?  Is just another part of the cover up?

Lala's, Let me find the front page link for you.  I really hate to bring them over here because as far as we know they are unsubstantiated garbage.

Lala's - scroll down to #52 Allan K, he has posted the Billyright posts the same ones that Opus has posted:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/09/23/natalee-holloway-investigation-satish-kalpoe-june-24-2005-statement/

[klaasend]

Page 93 looks to be an important page.  I can't find it at bfn.  Chapter 9 begins with page 97.

I believe it's in the beginning when Joran talks about meeting Natalee.  I'll see if I can find it somewhere.  The problem is some of the translation/excerpts were translated without page numbers.

[Nut44x4]

There is a (billy  right) William Wright/Aruba...
http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=501
this person would probably know Julia.
For some reason billyrights posts seem to be a 'young poster'...not a man and there is a musician called billyright
http://billyright.com/
www.myspace.cn/billyright1  (WHICH WAS WORKING a few minutes ago, but not at the moment)
Anyway...this is all I have found so far.

[Rammstein]

http://www.bordercollie.eu/index.php?option=com_ezine&Itemid=135



deze film geeft Giliam van der Straaten een demonstratie schapen scheren.
Hij legt uit hoe je het beste een schaap kunt scheren en waar je op moet letten.

Babelfish translation
Nieuwsgierig? Bekijk dan snel deze film!
this film gives a demonstration to Giliam of of the Straaten sheep shaves. He lays from how you the bests can a sheep shave and where you must pay attention to. Curious? Bekijk then fast this film!

but what does this Giliam van der Straaten have to do with the Holloway case?

He doesn't seem to be related to the former police chief on Aruba IMHO.

[yapperz1]

This appears to be a summary of all the chapter in the book:

At this time - this appears to be the Table of Contents for Joran's Book

Contents

Woord vooraf 9
Forword 9
Inleiding 12
Introduction 12

1 Island boy 15
2 Een Amerikaanse school op Aruba 26 An American School on Aruba

3 Uitgaan in Carlos 'n Charlie's 35 Going out to Carlos and Charlie's

4 De pimps 45 The Pimps

5 Vriendinnen 50 Girlfriends

6 Gokken 58 Gambling

7 Natalee Holloway 63 Natalee Holloway

8 Joran ontmoet Natalee 76 Joran meets Natalee

9 De leugens 96 The Lies

10 Gearresteerd 137 Arrested

11 Doorbraak door beste vriend Freddy 152 Break ( in the case) because of best friend Freddy

12 Niet Deepak, maar Satish haalde Joran op 163 Not Deepak, but Satish picked up Joran

13 Jeugdafdeling van de KIA 174 Youth Department of KIA

14 Geslagen door de politie 194 Hit by the police

15 Rechercheurs uit Nederland 217 Detectives from Holland

16 Halsoverkop naar Nederland 239 In a hurry to Holland

17 Twee nieuwe verdachten 243 Two new suspects

18 In de val gelokt 257 Lured into a trap

19 Het ABC-interview 275 The ABC - Interview

20 Topadvocaat Joe Tacopina 287 Top Lawyer Joe Tacopina

21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294 The smear campaign of the American Press

22 De inbraak en Peter R. de Vries 310 The burglary and Peter R. de Vries

23 Theorieën 325 Theories

[wreck]

ramm, do you have a page 93 translation of Joran's book?

[Rammstein]

ramm, do you have a page 93 translation of Joran's book?

it talks about his computer use at just past 3am that morning and how that according to him exhononorates him because you have to be a professional killer to murder someone, make them disappear from the face of the earth, secondly how could you kill someone, go watch a pornmovie and then go to school to do a test exam and pass it.

[eleye]

hey monks!!! what's good? long time..no see...can someone help a big gorilla get his sig back?

[Nut44x4]

http://www.zorpia.com/D3nnison