Natalee Case Discussion #678 8/16 - 8/26/2007

[KarmaRoundUp]

Karma - I don't think we know the dates of the wire taps.

******* - your recollection is correct

Gerold Dompig
48 Hours Mystery
March 22, 2006

Dompig says surveillance of the three boys began on the third day after Natalee was reported missing and included observation, telephone wire taps, and even monitoring of their e-mail.

Nancy Grace June 2, 2005.  Coincidental that surveilance might have started when the FBI arrived??

Commissioner, as of tonight, what is the latest? What are your people doing to try to find Natalee?

DERSTRATEN: Yes. We have a lot of police. We went to the TV. We let see the portrait and asked for tips. We checked all the tips we get. But until now, we have nothing on this small island.

And the investigation is going on, too. And I hope you can understand, I can`t tell everything about the investigation. But we are still going on with about 16 police officers, together with the FBI. They were on the island, too.

GRACE: So the FBI is there?

DERSTRATEN: Yes, we are working close together. He arrived yesterday, and we picked him up at the airport. And...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/02/ng.01.html

Now that sounds like one FBI person.When did the rest of the FBI arrive?

[igsigs]

So all the info that came out about that sunday night,early monday morning was from the suspects computers right?

Computers and phone records, yes. From the DrPhil filing we know that there was a wiretapped conversation between Paulus and Joran on 6/13/05. No proof, as of yet, that any surveillance/wiretapping occured before that date.

[KarmaRoundUp]

URL's for international foreign newspaper available on-line in English.
http://www.saintjoe.edu/~ilicias/internationalresources.htm

Thank you Nut...this will sure come in handy.

[Nut44x4]

URL's for international foreign newspaper available on-line in English.
http://www.saintjoe.edu/~ilicias/internationalresources.htm

Thank you Nut...this will sure come in handy.

You are welcome...I like it too.

[truthseeker2]

PVDS 6/23/2005 Statement - from BFN:

 To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school
that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus
and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they
took the bus every day.

 
      To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can
state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was
the Tuesday or Wednesday before that Monday the 30th of May
that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands
for seven or eight days.
 

So how would Paulus know this for sure if he was not even on the island until Sunday 05/29/05?

Truthseeker ... other than posters on Natalee forums ... I have never read or heard anything in the media that implies that Paulus van der Sloot or any of their kids were ever in Holland with Anita.

Both Joran and Paulus' declarations only mention that "Anita" went to Holland ... Anita was in Holland and ... Anita came home from Holland.

Unless somebody can provide this wannabe detective with some backup to the contrary ... I speculate that Anita went on her own to Holland leaving Paulus and family in Aruba.

Janet

I didn't think Paulus was in Holland with Anita, I thought he had been there on business.  But, you may be right.  I don't remember seeing or hearing that he had just returned that day except by internet posters until you mentioned it here.  So it is possible that Paulus met Natalee before 05/29/05???

[klaasend]

I thought Paulus was in Curacao and Anita was in Holland.  I figured Joran, Valentijn and Sebastian were either at home with one of the maids or at friends.

I thought it was reported that Paulus returned from somewhere at 5pm on 5/29, don't know if that was confirmed but it was reported early on. 

[Tamikosmom]

PVDS 6/23/2005 Statement - from BFN:

 To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school
that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus
and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they
took the bus every day.

 
      To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can
state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was
the Tuesday or Wednesday before that Monday the 30th of May
that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands
for seven or eight days.
 

So how would Paulus know this for sure if he was not even on the island until Sunday 05/29/05?

Truthseeker ... other than posters on Natalee forums ... I have never read or heard anything in the media that implies that Paulus van der Sloot or any of their kids were ever in Holland with Anita.

Both Joran and Paulus' declarations only mention that "Anita" went to Holland ... Anita was in Holland and ... Anita came home from Holland.

Unless somebody can provide this wannabe detective with some backup to the contrary ... I speculate that Anita went on her own to Holland leaving Paulus and family in Aruba.

Janet

I didn't think Paulus was in Holland with Anita, I thought he had been there on business.  But, you may be right.  I don't remember seeing or hearing that he had just returned that day except by internet posters until you mentioned it here.  So it is possible that Paulus met Natalee before 05/29/05???

That thought never crossed my mind but ... I do not think so.  I think that Joran may have been aware of Natalee's presence but ... I do believe Natalee met both Joran and Paulus at the Black Jack table on the evening of May 29, 2005.

It should be taken into consideration that Beth Twitty's words in the following interview with Rita were spoken prior to the revelation of the casino video recording that appears to show Paulus conversing with Natalee.

Janet


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

[KarmaRoundUp]

So all the info that came out about that sunday night,early monday morning was from the suspects computers right?

Computers and phone records, yes. From the DrPhil filing we know that there was a wiretapped conversation between Paulus and Joran on 6/13/05. No proof, as of yet, that any surveillance/wiretapping occured before that date.

Thanks Igsigs
Do we have any info on that 8 minute call from Joran to Deepak?

[truthseeker2]

I thought Paulus was in Curacao and Anita was in Holland.  I figured Joran, Valentijn and Sebastian were either at home with one of the maids or at friends.

I thought it was reported that Paulus returned from somewhere at 5pm on 5/29, don't know if that was confirmed but it was reported early on. 

That's what I was thinking, too.  Away on business until the afternoon of 05/29.  Can you think of any place we can verify that?  I glanced at his PV's but I did not see that question asked.  (surprise, surprise)

[Kiwi]

Hmm Hi all first time posting have been a guest since before the first site crash

[truthseeker2]

Hmm Hi all first time posting have been a guest since before the first site crash

Glad you decided to join the conversation!!!

[Kiwi]

I have an e-mail from Oct 2006 that I sent to the sm after listening to a discussion and researching some of the archives. It seems to tie in multiple areas to some questions just brought up.

[igsigs]

Do we have any info on that 8 minute call from Joran to Deepak?

Hmmmm...not really. Kalpoe lawyer said it was tracked to the Hotel/Beach area, whatever that means. Joran does not get into the specifics in the book - he might not have that PV.

[AZSunny]

I thought Paulus was in Curacao and Anita was in Holland.  I figured Joran, Valentijn and Sebastian were either at home with one of the maids or at friends.

I thought it was reported that Paulus returned from somewhere at 5pm on 5/29, don't know if that was confirmed but it was reported early on. 

So, does that mean that the information (confirmation) by a member that called the airline to verify that Anita and boys returned later and together from Holland is inaccurate, or has never been officially verified?

[klaasend]

Igsigs - did you see Lazlo's post at RU?  HannieC was saying some really nasty things about Natalee.  Lazlo said this to HannieC:

Hannie what has she ever done to you that you would call her that?

No need to respond, posts like the above and many others that are sort of simular made me decide I no longer want to post on this board.

Bye to all.

[truthseeker2]

I have an e-mail from Oct 2006 that I sent to the sm after listening to a discussion and researching some of the archives. It seems to tie in multiple areas to some questions just brought up.

Can you share that inforamtion?

[klaasend]

I thought Paulus was in Curacao and Anita was in Holland.  I figured Joran, Valentijn and Sebastian were either at home with one of the maids or at friends.

I thought it was reported that Paulus returned from somewhere at 5pm on 5/29, don't know if that was confirmed but it was reported early on. 

So, does that mean that the information (confirmation) by a member that called the airline to verify that Anita and boys returned later and together from Holland is inaccurate, or has never been officially verified?

What the Widget said was that there were 3 Sloot's on the plane.  I don't know how Widget got his information.  BUT...it could have been Anita and 2 other relatives, who knows.  I think people assumed it was Anita, Val and Sebastian.

[klaasend]

I have an e-mail from Oct 2006 that I sent to the sm after listening to a discussion and researching some of the archives. It seems to tie in multiple areas to some questions just brought up.

Welcome Kiwi! 

Let's hear it!

[igsigs]

Igsigs - did you see Lazlo's post at RU?  HannieC was saying some really nasty things about Natalee.  Lazlo said this to HannieC:

Hannie what has she ever done to you that you would call her that?

No need to respond, posts like the above and many others that are sort of simular made me decide I no longer want to post on this board.

Bye to all.

I missed that. Crap!

[klaasend]

Igsigs - did you see Lazlo's post at RU?  HannieC was saying some really nasty things about Natalee.  Lazlo said this to HannieC:

Hannie what has she ever done to you that you would call her that?

No need to respond, posts like the above and many others that are sort of simular made me decide I no longer want to post on this board.

Bye to all.

I missed that. Crap!

I don't know about you but I've had problems for the last few hours even getting into RU.

Abarth had started a thread called BREAKING NEWS...., I saw it but by the time I was able to get in it was gone.  Isn't Abarth Dutch?