Natalee Case Discussion #678 8/16 - 8/26/2007

[igsigs]

Can you delete your own entire post at Scrux?

YES

[klaasend]

Can you delete your own entire post at Scrux?

YES

Ok, so he/she could have deleted it themself. 

Edited to add:  Thanks for the "hands on" test, LOL 

[igsigs]

Edited to add:  Thanks for the "hands on" test, LOL 

YW. Anything for the team!

Coincidence > Codebreaker says the body was dumped at buoy 45 ...and Jonathan45 ? Or am i just running out of things to post?

[klaasend]

Edited to add:  Thanks for the "hands on" test, LOL 

YW. Anything for the team!

Coincidence > Codebreaker says the body was dumped at buoy 45 ...and Jonathan45 ? Or am i just running out of things to post?

Heck, who knows?  lol

Time for me to call it a night!

GOODNIGHT ALL! 

[Buckeye]

Interesting night.  Why the nic "codebreaker"?? Think I missed the original "code" that needed breaking.

It has always bothered me that Joran originally names Elaine as a girlfriend then Flor (as the new one), even though there were two contacts with Flor on the 29th/30th.  Did he get the cell results and have to add her??

Jaime's statement on June 17th is interesting.  Questioned after ? Lorenzo and Max Arends??  He seems to think Arends is the younger one.  Joran never mentions Max or Stephanie (who Jaime thinks is Joran's girlfriend).

To your question whether I know a Spanish speaking girl named "Stephanie", I answer you affermative. She is a Columbian girl and according to me she is the girlfriend of Joran. According to me Stephanie lives in the hamlet of Moko but I do not know the number of her house.

To your question whether I know the man named "Max Arends", I answer you the following. He is a friend of Joran and he is also at the "International School". According to me his name is "Maximillian Arends".

Also, Sander is always with the group (and was holding the sign on Joran's release).

Usually Joran, Freddy, Koen, Sander and me go out together.

[Buckeye]

The Dutch poster's nic, polemic, is an interesting choice.  Harry from hyscience used the term.

 Unfortunately, the site portrays the case as polemic battle between the pro-Beth Scared Monkeys blog and another site advocating anti-Beth sentiments. In reality, the polemic camouflages any insights to what may have occurred on the evening that Natalee disappeared.

http://tinyurl.com/ysf4rb

[Nut44x4]

http://tinyurl.com/yul4l9

That is VERY nice, indeed!!!

[Nut44x4]

Hi Monkeys! Regardless of whether that post is real or not...it sure is interesting!

It is, indeed. And if it isn't true someone with a lot of time on their hands sure went to a lot of trouble to put something like that together...so detailed. Very strange.

[Nut44x4]

Hi guys! OK, I don't mind being dumb. Who's Flor? I just got here, sorry!


(Indy, check the lounge)

METZ, Florencia   – one of Joran’s ex-girlfriends, from Argentina, lives behind Codemsa, graduated from the Mavo, nicknamed “Flo.”  Joran invited her to go to Carlos N Charlies that night of May 29, 2005.  Interviewed by ALE on 6-15-05 & 6-16-05.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/17931118--Fleur--Profile-html
Same girl...different spelling...go to her photos @
http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayPhotoUser.do?albumId=21803493&ownerId=17931118&currentIndex=0

[truthseeker2]

Backreading.........why would there be an inconsistency in which Kalpoe brother Joran knew first, and how well he knew Satish? It doesn't surprise me to discover lies, but the answer to this case is in the riddle of where the lies occur and figuring out why they lied, IMO.

I thought that lie was odd.  Why lie about that? Would it be better to know one of them and not the other one very well?

[klaasend]

Hi guys! OK, I don't mind being dumb. Who's Flor? I just got here, sorry!


(Indy, check the lounge)

METZ, Florencia   – one of Joran’s ex-girlfriends, from Argentina, lives behind Codemsa, graduated from the Mavo, nicknamed “Flo.”  Joran invited her to go to Carlos N Charlies that night of May 29, 2005.  Interviewed by ALE on 6-15-05 & 6-16-05.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/17931118--Fleur--Profile-html
Same girl...different spelling...go to her photos @
http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayPhotoUser.do?albumId=21803493&ownerId=17931118&currentIndex=0

I'm fairly certain it's two different girls.  Flor Metz and Fleur.  The girl on the right in the photos San posted is Fleur.

[blah]

More from BFN:

codebreaker

Quote
jvds called Flor to give him a key
to French's Steakhouse, 55 J.E.Irausquin blvd

Quote from: bleachedblack on Today at 14:33:25

Can you please tell us more about the purpose of this key? Why would they need to go to this Steakhouse?

codebreaker
Today at 15:39:31

because it was closed, and has a walk in cooler, plus most likey closed on mon.
also the body was removed mon. night.

 

codebreaker"s posts are interesting, a piecing to gether of "facts" IMO. The French Steakhouse (Manchebo Steakhouse) is the restaurant where Nadeira worked and was fired from if I recall correctly. I have been there several times in the past myself. I believe it is open 7 days a week but closes fairly early.........just not sure the perps would take a body into a restaurant freezer period.

could this be deepthroat?
Didn't Garrison go check out those freezers, I thought they weren't being used by the resteraunt anymore?  Wasn't a key to this joint found on Deepak's person?

[blah]

my info comes from the liar of aruba

Great! That narrows it down.  

We'll have to see if Codebreaker will be more specific.  There are appoximately 50,000 to choose from.  I know, the population of Aruba is more like 100,000 but I have to give some of them the benefit of the doubt.

 

sad but true!

[blah]

Hi guys! OK, I don't mind being dumb. Who's Flor? I just got here, sorry!


(Indy, check the lounge)

METZ, Florencia   – one of Joran’s ex-girlfriends, from Argentina, lives behind Codemsa, graduated from the Mavo, nicknamed “Flo.”  Joran invited her to go to Carlos N Charlies that night of May 29, 2005.  Interviewed by ALE on 6-15-05 & 6-16-05.

she looks like a seedy little b****.....oops, did I say that out loud?
Edited

[blah]

"my in fo comes from the liar of aruba"

this sounds like something a pissed off ex-girlfriend would say

[Nut44x4]

Fermins Bar.....
Found this map in a google search
http://wikimapia.org/1502280/

apparently there was discussion of this early on. The links do not work. This is copied from a google search.
Scared Monkeys :: Discussion Forum for Like minded MonkeysBTW do you (Rob) know anything about that Snack Truck at Fermin's Bar? ... but just thought this result when you google Fermin's Bar Aruba is a curious one. ...
www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1118&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=620&sid=b54c80b... - 109k - Cached - Similar pages

Scared Monkeys :: Discussion Forum for Like minded MonkeysNope, but I think I need to search for Fermin's Bar now, lol .... Residing in TAMARIJN 9, PARADERA, ARUBA Born in ARUBA on 24 SEPTEMBER 1944 ...
www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=251&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100&sid=fc9dfe54... - 110k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.scaredmonkeys.net ]

Freebird :: View topic - Joran June 14What I can remark is that when we drove home the "Snack Truck" at "Fermins Bar" wasn't there. In the car I had.... * this is a literal translation but not ...
freebird.forumsdot.com/joran-june-14-vt38.html - 49k - Cached - Similar pages

Joran also mentions Fermins Baar in one of his statements....mmmm.....June 14th I think.

[Auntiem]

TY Klaas!

One possibility just occured to me. What poster do we know who is Dutch...and likes to delete? 

Lazlo?  The only other person I can think of is Reality but he's not Dutch.

 
Are you sure Reality isn't Dutch?  He said once that he had been born in South Africa and his parents  (or he) emmigrated to England.  So, if that's true he would know Dutch.......he certainly "favors" the ole PM routine!

[Nut44x4]

Salinja Pond is discussed as well.....
Grannytoad...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1936.660

and here
[PDF] PROCESS - VERBAL We, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY and Clyde Anthony BURKE ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
first class at the korps police force Aruba and at the research district classified .... He generally walked by the area that is called the Salinja (pond). ...
homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/Statements/sander.pdf - Similar pages

Holloway Case Discussion :: View topic - Sander Gottenbos ...He generally walked by the area that is called the Salinja (pond). On your question if Joran knows the aforementioned area well, I will explain to you the ...
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Scared Monkeys :: Discussion Forum for Like minded Monkeys82, Oranjestad West, Aruba. The Pond – It is located across LG Smith Blvd from the fishermans huts, next to the Racquet Club. Also known as the Salinja area ...
www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=330&view=previous&sid=a74428971ecb5407d0eb164e925c990e - 113k - Cached - Similar pages

Riehl World View: DevelopmentsInvestigators continue to drain the pond but news is quiet from Aruba. ..... with the guys wading into the storm pond, salinja, whatever it is referred to. ...
www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/developments_1.html - 139k - Cached - Similar pages

[Nut44x4]

2. I've bought Joran's book today and there's already one interesting piece of "shoe" information he has left out of his story. In chapter 9 he describes how he walked back via the Salinja (i.e. the pond area. Already very interesting that he went back to that area...) to the beach and then to the Wyndham. He doesn't mention that he stopped to search for his shoes! Why?

http://scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2943&sid=8e426bff91f457a0aa88a05f52eec023

[Tylergal]

to the best of my memory, there was a single shoe found at the vds apartment.  the assumption by a.l.e. was that the other shoe was missing because it was contaminated with blood or other evidence.  this was what they were on the watch out for when they drained the pond.  then somewhere or another, the size l4 kswiss shoes came on the scene.  i assume one of jvds' many stories.  then one of the dutch interrogators discovered that jvds wore size l0 or l0 and a half kswiss shoes instead of size l4 that everyone was supposed to be looking for.  all of this is just a small part of the overall sloot plan to screw up the investigation and waste as much time, energy, and money that everybody quits in disgust, and the sloot's go on their merry way.
dennisintn

Obfiscate and triangulate.