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Vick caught in game of semantics
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John Czarnecki has been the editorial consultant for the Emmy Award-winning FOX NFL Sunday since its 1994 inception. Czarnecki was a pro football writer for The National Sports Daily, The Dallas Morning News, and The Los Angeles Herald-Examiner.
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OK, the big revelation Friday in Michael Vick's plea agreement is that he admitted that he simply bankrolled the dogfighting gambling ring that he and three friends operated, but that he never took any prize money.
Is that splitting hairs, a legal technicality simply designed to lesson whatever future NFL suspension he may receive after his jail term? Or, is it that the federal prosecutors merely couldn't prove a satisfactory money trail to Vick that he ever collected, say a $5,000 bet, when one of his dogs won? More importantly, does it matter?
The bottom line is that this dogfighting ring wouldn't have existed without Vick and his checkbook. He bought the house on Moonlight Road, the dogs and this entire enterprise was a way for him to financially take care of some of his friends, including one who served time for selling drugs. What's the difference between bankrolling an illegal dogfighting ring and bankrolling an after-hours casino at your house?
By indefinitely suspending Vick on Friday, Commissioner Roger Goodell seems to be viewing Vick's claims that he didn't profit from any of the dog fights as mere semantics. Goodell said "even if you did not place bets, as you contend, your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL Player Contract and expose you to corrupting influences... one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player."
Vick did hire excellent lawyers and these issues — that he never personally applied the electrical cable when a dog was killed or that he never won a few measly dollars — may be important in reducing his jail time. Believe me, that is Vick's concern at the moment.
Once Vick is sentenced and serves whatever time the judge hands down, Goodell will decide whether to make Vick's suspension permanent. Initially, the opinion was Goodell would give Vick a two-year suspension — one for his reprehensible actions involving dogfighting and one for gambling — once he serves his jail term.
During this entire episode, a case that by federal standards was amazing in how quickly it was prosecuted and concluded, I have wavered on Vick's future. My last thoughts were that he will never play in the NFL again. Some of my colleagues have pointed out that in America, you are entitled to a second chance and that Vick should be allowed to earn a fair living.
I'm for him earning a living; I just don't believe it entitles him to earn a living in the NFL. Isn't it time to put a stop to some of this criminal and nauseating behavior by sports stars? Isn't the game bigger than one left-handed quarterback? Also, there must be more to Vick the man than simply being a football player. He must have other talents and interests.
I say this because there are too many fans that simply don't want to see Vick playing and then be forced to watch while other fans cheer his every move. It's a little too much hero worship for me.
Should Goodell impose a lifetime ban, Vick can challenge the league in court and see what owners and coaches will join the quarterback's fight against such a suspension.
And don't you love all these coaches saying what a hard worker Vick was, what a great guy he was before they couch their statement in how upset they are about the allegations?
I wrote last month that Vick's big money — $29.5 million — in his last contract was in the form of roster bonuses. It's going to be tough to get that money back because he fulfilled the obligations of those clauses by being on the roster in 2004, 2005 and 2006 when the bulk of that money was paid.
I simply can't feel sorry for Vick.
When examining his first contract, when he was the first player selected in the 2001 draft, Vick was paid $17.9 million during his first three seasons. On his next contract, signed in 2004, he earned another $48.5 million through last season for a grand total of $66.4 million paid by the Falcons since he entered the league. That amount doesn't account for whatever endorsement and appearance deals he received because of his NFL status
You and I and most other people should be able to live happily on that without playing or watching another down of football.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7153182
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Amen!
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Did you see one of the rappers I think DMX or something like that, was also arrested and charged for the same thing this week?
I just wonder if Vick's situation will truly create a demand for change in the NFL? I guess we shall see.....
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Quote from: nonesuche on August 26, 2007, 11:43:44 AM
Did you see one of the rappers I think DMX or something like that, was also arrested and charged for the same thing this week?
I just wonder if Vick's situation will truly create a demand for change in the NFL? I guess we shall see.....
Yes, they found corpses of dogs, some of which were burned in his yard.. nice huh?
I think Vick's situation will create a change not only in the NFL but that it will bring to light the whole world of dogfighting - at least to us northerners who are less familiar with it!
So maybe there is a win on 2 fronts from this. Meanwhile, I hope he gets what he deserves.
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Quote from: Frijole on August 26, 2007, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: nonesuche on August 26, 2007, 11:43:44 AM
Did you see one of the rappers I think DMX or something like that, was also arrested and charged for the same thing this week?
I just wonder if Vick's situation will truly create a demand for change in the NFL? I guess we shall see.....
Yes, they found corpses of dogs, some of which were burned in his yard.. nice huh?
I think Vick's situation will create a change not only in the NFL but that it will bring to light the whole world of dogfighting - at least to us northerners who are less familiar with it!
So maybe there is a win on 2 fronts from this. Meanwhile, I hope he gets what he deserves.
I read where DMX says he wasn't there for 2 months, and the caretaker that was supposed to be taking care, wasn't.
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DMX Facing Dog Cruelty Charges Too
Saturday, August 25th, 2007
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Rapper DMX is the latest celebrity to go to the dogs.
The Arizona home of the rapper/actor was raided Friday, and the sheriff's department found guns, drugs and a dozen mistreated pit bulls.
DMX, whose real name is Earl Simmons, already had a rap sheet for animal cruelty, after abusing his pit bulls in New Jersey in 2002. He avoided jail time by agreeing to make a public service announcement against cruelty towards animals. Maybe he should have watched i
t.
The 36 year old hardcore hip hop artist is on the lam in New York and claims that he hasn't visited his Arizona home in months. Coincidentally, the dogs hadn't been fed or watered for months.
Guess Michael Vick isn't the only celeb to have dog troubles.
http://entertainment.bodogbeat.com/dmx-facing-dog-cruelty-charges-too-52054.html
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I hope this is the beginning of the end.
Dog fights have become a fad. I watch Animal Planet a lot, and the problem is wide spread, beans. I've seen shows where they discover dogs injured by fights in Detroit, NYC....
I will never understand how people can enjoy watching animals tear each other to pieces.
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Sharing this, if you have not yet seen it....
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I meant to add:
Vick's Jury Has Been Selected.
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Quote from: MuffyBee on August 26, 2007, 02:38:45 PM
I read where DMX says he wasn't there for 2 months, and the caretaker that was supposed to be taking care, wasn't.
I read that and then heard elsewhere that neighbors had just seen him (DMX) within the last 2 weeks... so we shall see....
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Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2007, 06:41:24 PM
I meant to add:
Vick's Jury Has Been Selected.
Perfect!
I saw on TV today where people were taking Vic's trading cards and having dogs chew them up and selling them on EBay! How'd you like to be his publicist? Whew... tough sell.
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Quote from: Frijole on August 26, 2007, 07:23:10 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2007, 06:41:24 PM
I meant to add:
Vick's Jury Has Been Selected.
Perfect!
I saw on TV today where people were taking Vic's trading cards and having dogs chew them up and selling them on EBay! How'd you like to be his publicist? Whew... tough sell.
thats right up there with the people that sent their vick jerseys to local animal shelters for use to clean dog cages!
Vick is getting what he deserved. Whether he was present when this stuff happened or not, it doesn't matter, he knew it was going on
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I can't say it enough I hope the judge who btw owns a Bichon... gives him a long hard sentence!
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Quote from: mrs. red on August 26, 2007, 09:39:13 PM
I can't say it enough I hope the judge who btw owns a Bichon... gives him a long hard sentence!
Oh that's a good one - hadn't heard the judge owns a dog.. very good! I don't think he'll get off light. It's too big of an issue. You can't be innocent just because you "only" bank-rolled it...
That's like saying you are innocent because you are only the pimp and not the prostitute!
I am betting that Vic will somehow manage to find a rehab center for stars that specialises in anger management or some such thing and them Vick will show up in court a "new man" and cite the bible like Paris did.
But the judge won't buy it.
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The judge is a dog owner...
Is that great Karma or what?
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We called it here! LMAO Michael Vick has miraculously found Jesus.
Nancy Grace isn't buying it either.
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Quote from: Frijole on August 27, 2007, 08:09:59 PM
We called it here! LMAO Michael Vick has miraculously found Jesus.
Nancy Grace isn't buying it either.
did you hear how he said it? oh by the way I found jesus? I just spewed, it sounded so contrived his 'handlers' should have hoped he kept quiet !
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No kidding None - no emotions at all... I think Vick has some very deep problems - seems a little sociopathic to me.
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Quote from: Frijole on August 28, 2007, 07:14:32 AM
No kidding None - no emotions at all... I think Vick has some very deep problems - seems a little sociopathic to me.
I always say when talking about this... one thing that comes to mind is that every time we hear of serial killers it started with animals, and NO I am not calling MVICK a serial killer, but I am saying it shows a complete disregard for life.....
Too bad he didn't quote the Bible where it says that GOD expects us to take care of the "companion" animals...
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No kidding None -
no emotions at all... I think Vick has some very deep problems - seems a little sociopathic to me
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