Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/31/2007

[San]

FYI -  I know there's been some question as to when this photo was taken at Joran's house.  According to the camera/film properties the photo was taken in 2005.  The question is was it taken before Joran went to Kia or after?  The question comes up because he is at his home with the girls, Satish and Freddy.




Aperture f/4.0
Camera make Samsung
Camera model Digimax 300
Comment Samsung Techwin
Date/Time 2005
Exposure program (auto)
Exposure bias 5.90
Exposure time 0.033 s (1/30)
Flash used Yes
Focal length 7.0mm
ISO equiv. 200
Jpeg process Baseline
Jpeg Quality normal
Metering Mode center weight
Resolution 2048 x 1536

This is just my opinion.  After that police car conversation with the Kalpoes and Joran and Joran threatening them and they laughting at him would Satish be stupid enough to go to that house where the murder was committed.  They ratted on Paulus according to Joran.  Satish would not go anywhere without Deepak especially to the Sloot dump.  This is why I think it was before.  It was just another party at the Sloots with Joran and Friends.

[klaasend]

San - I know what you mean.

[igsigs]

This is just my opinion.  After that police car conversation with the Kalpoes and Joran and Joran threatening them and they laughting at him would Satish be stupid enough to go to that house where the murder was committed.  They ratted on Paulus according to Joran.  Satish would not go anywhere without Deepak especially to the Sloot dump.  This is why I think it was before.  It was just another party at the Sloots with Joran and Friends.

I agree, much more likely this pic is pre-crime.

Freddy take this pic? IIRC, he is at this gathering also?

[klaasend]

This is just my opinion.  After that police car conversation with the Kalpoes and Joran and Joran threatening them and they laughting at him would Satish be stupid enough to go to that house where the murder was committed.  They ratted on Paulus according to Joran.  Satish would not go anywhere without Deepak especially to the Sloot dump.  This is why I think it was before.  It was just another party at the Sloots with Joran and Friends.

I agree, much more likely this pic is pre-crime.

Freddy take this pic? IIRC, he is at this gathering also?

Yes Freddy was there and most likely took the photo above:

[klaasend]

This is just my opinion.  After that police car conversation with the Kalpoes and Joran and Joran threatening them and they laughting at him would Satish be stupid enough to go to that house where the murder was committed.  They ratted on Paulus according to Joran.  Satish would not go anywhere without Deepak especially to the Sloot dump.  This is why I think it was before.  It was just another party at the Sloots with Joran and Friends.

I agree, much more likely this pic is pre-crime.

Freddy take this pic? IIRC, he is at this gathering also?

Yes Freddy was there and most likely took the photo above:

Lightened the first one up a bit so you can see Satish's hat:

[Anna]

I wonder why the girls are in bikinis and the guys in full street clothing.

[San]

I wonder why the girls are in bikinis and the guys in full street clothing.

Because they're stupid and are hanging out with known rapists.

[klaasend]

Posted by Pearl at BFN regarding JaimeC (Beto's) employment:

This is Jaimie’s June 17th statement. Joran called him between 4 and 7 and asked him if he wanted to meet some American girls at Carlos N Charlies.

On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 (4pm)and 19.00(7pm), I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number “xxxxxxx”. Sometimes Joran calls me on the mobile phone of my sister, her name is “Maria del Pilar CARRASQUIXIA CACERES”. Her calling name is “Pilar”. The mobile phone number of Pilar is “xxxxxxx”. The mobile phone number of Joran is “xxxxxxx”. Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to “Carlos & Charlies” and whether I wanted to meet up with him there. According to me I had said to Joran that I would let him know later that day whether or not I would go out with him that night. I had also said to Joran that I had to work the next day. According to me I was phoned later that day by Joran again but I hadn’t answered my mobile phone. Because it is the vacation now I temporarily work in “Caribbean Overseas”. I work in the big Poolkasten. On May 29th 2005 I stayed home and slept. I went to bed at approximately 22.00 hours.

On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I had not talked to Joran. It is possible that Joran phoned me, but I didn’t answer my mobile phone because I was sleeping. I am sure that Joran did not send me any messages with his mobile phone in the night of May 30th 2005.

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edit to add you cannot get direct access to their site now .. you get a multiple error message with NL in details.  I got this through cache of information.

[Tamikosmom]

    I certainly hope this massive Cruise Ship Dock .......doesn't begin construction, or any "pre"construction activities before Tim and TES get down there!

    Nobody wants to believe that Reality is from South Africa??  And Dutch?

Reality
Guest
  Re: John Q. Kelly, Carlos & Charlie's, and the Big Lie in This Case
« Reply #128 on: December 31, 2005, 12:33:08 PM »   

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Durban is my home town, born and bred, lived there for 42 years of my 49.

<snipped>

However ... Reality claimed in this following open letter that he lived was an American living in Aruba. 

Janet

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BFN
Quote from: Reality on June 02, 2006, 06:54:38 AM

Dear Curves,

I am truly saddened that you have allowed your fine organization to be swayed to a very small minority of hate mongers & xenophobes who for the most part have never even set foot in Aruba let alone even heard of Aruba prior to May 31st, 2005.

You’re pulling of the Aruba sweepstakes speaks volumes to a company being swayed by lies & fabrications.

As an American citizen living in Aruba for many years now let me give you a perspective that none of the “protest” emails can even come close to.

Aruba is by far the safest island destination in the Caribbean.
Aruba’s judicial system is based on Dutch law, world renowned as a fair and balanced system.

Aruba’s people are highly educated individuals where most here speak at least 3 to 5 languages.

Aruba has had ONE missing person in the last year, and that person may not even be a victim of a crime.

You have done your valued customers a disservice by pulling your Aruba sweepstakes by depriving them the opportunity to truly experience what an island paradise really is.

If you would like more information about the real Aruba please email at the following and I will be more than happy to set the record straight with facts not the fiction you have based your decision on to pull your Aruba Sweepstakes.

[Anna]

I wonder why the girls are in bikinis and the guys in full street clothing.

Because they're stupid and are hanging out with known rapists.

I wonder.  Was it a pool party or a photo shoot?

[Anna]

    I certainly hope this massive Cruise Ship Dock .......doesn't begin construction, or any "pre"construction activities before Tim and TES get down there!

    Nobody wants to believe that Reality is from South Africa??  And Dutch?

Reality
Guest
  Re: John Q. Kelly, Carlos & Charlie's, and the Big Lie in This Case
« Reply #128 on: December 31, 2005, 12:33:08 PM »   

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Durban is my home town, born and bred, lived there for 42 years of my 49.

<snipped>

However ... Reality claimed in this following open letter that he lived was an American living in Aruba. 

Janet

___________


BFN
Quote from: Reality on June 02, 2006, 06:54:38 AM

Dear Curves,

I am truly saddened that you have allowed your fine organization to be swayed to a very small minority of hate mongers & xenophobes who for the most part have never even set foot in Aruba let alone even heard of Aruba prior to May 31st, 2005.

You’re pulling of the Aruba sweepstakes speaks volumes to a company being swayed by lies & fabrications.

As an American citizen living in Aruba for many years now let me give you a perspective that none of the “protest” emails can even come close to.

Aruba is by far the safest island destination in the Caribbean.
Aruba’s judicial system is based on Dutch law, world renowned as a fair and balanced system.

Aruba’s people are highly educated individuals where most here speak at least 3 to 5 languages.

Aruba has had ONE missing person in the last year, and that person may not even be a victim of a crime.

You have done your valued customers a disservice by pulling your Aruba sweepstakes by depriving them the opportunity to truly experience what an island paradise really is.

If you would like more information about the real Aruba please email at the following and I will be more than happy to set the record straight with facts not the fiction you have based your decision on to pull your Aruba Sweepstakes.

Oh, wow!  What an imagination.  The drop out rate in Aruba is just tremendous and the educational system really poor.

So now he is an American living in Aruba? 

Unreal!  He really does change facts to suit his need at the moment.

[Tamikosmom]

This is just my opinion.  After that police car conversation with the Kalpoes and Joran and Joran threatening them and they laughting at him would Satish be stupid enough to go to that house where the murder was committed.  They ratted on Paulus according to Joran.   Satish would not go anywhere without Deepak especially to the Sloot dump.  This is why I think it was before.  It was just another party at the Sloots with Joran and Friends.

Paul Reynolds ... Natalee's uncle ... implied that Paulus was implicated in Joran, Deepak and Satish's original statements.  Considering that Deepak and Satish's May 31, 2005 declarations do not implicate Paulus ... I would assume that there were statements taken on May 30, 2005.

Janet


Paul Reynolds
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

REYNOLDS: Well, we certainly think they know more, but we think all three are involved. We think Joran and Deepak and Satish are all involved.  And, you know, we still think the father was at least involved in the cover-up. And that‘s based on the statements that the boys gave in the beginning.

[robots]

why do these ARUBA apologists always have to BRING up the idea that BECAUSE some people can speak 3 differnet languages that somehow that means they are extremely intelligent


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   


it defies logic

it makes no sense


i know people that speak 3 languages and they are numb as a pounded thumb


NEWS FLASH

speaking more than 1 language does make you intelligent 

[Nut44x4]

I wonder why the girls are in bikinis and the guys in full street clothing.

Because they're stupid and are hanging out with known rapists.

I wonder.  Was it a pool party or a photo shoot?

BINGO 

[jackb]

Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

Aruba may need to watch allowing Venesuelan investors as Dictators keep laws at their own whim.  The Aruban people would do well to keep Chavez and his people at bay as they are not up to any good.           jackb

[truthseeker2]

Klaas,

I saw this posted at BFN.  Could this be a link to Andres Meneses? 


Interesting name in this find:

Friday, August 12 th 2005
Review: Oscar Hernández
In Aruba there's always something to do on Fridays, but for shore you have to make a stop in Carlos and Chalies, like we did last Friday 12 th , every day in Carlos and Charlies is a special day. We arrived before midnight, just the perfect moment to star the party in Aruba , ready to have fun and dance al night long to the best hits of the moment, from Salsa to Reggeaton with the music that local DJ Andres was playing.

www.guiafashion.com/.../internacional/aruba.html

[vms]

Klaas,

I saw this posted at BFN.  Could this be a link to Andres Meneses? 


Interesting name in this find:

Friday, August 12 th 2005
Review: Oscar Hernández
In Aruba there's always something to do on Fridays, but for shore you have to make a stop in Carlos and Chalies, like we did last Friday 12 th , every day in Carlos and Charlies is a special day. We arrived before midnight, just the perfect moment to star the party in Aruba , ready to have fun and dance al night long to the best hits of the moment, from Salsa to Reggeaton with the music that local DJ Andres was playing.

www.guiafashion.com/.../internacional/aruba.html

Link: DJ Andres Ceja

[vms]

Klaas,

I saw this posted at BFN.  Could this be a link to Andres Meneses? 


Interesting name in this find:

Friday, August 12 th 2005
Review: Oscar Hernández
In Aruba there's always something to do on Fridays, but for shore you have to make a stop in Carlos and Chalies, like we did last Friday 12 th , every day in Carlos and Charlies is a special day. We arrived before midnight, just the perfect moment to star the party in Aruba , ready to have fun and dance al night long to the best hits of the moment, from Salsa to Reggeaton with the music that local DJ Andres was playing.

www.guiafashion.com/.../internacional/aruba.html

Link: DJ Andres Ceja

Friday 17th of June
CARLOS & CHARLIES
When you hear the word “PARTY”, your mind automatically takes you to Carlos & Charlies. Saturday June 18 we met with a very animated crowd enjoying the variation of music which was in charge of DJ Andres.
http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/aruba.html

Possibly a pic of DJ Andres Here

[Pita]

Friday 17th of June
CARLOS & CHARLIES

Review : Ramses Aaron
When you hear the word “PARTY”, your mind automatically takes you to Carlos & Charlies. Saturday June 18 we met with a very animated crowd enjoying the variation of music which was in charge of DJ Andres. It was the best way to start a Saturday night. The streets of Aruba were busy with party animals enjoying the nightlife in Aruba . Carlos & Charlies is definitely a place to be on weekends.




http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/18-06-05carloscharlies/pag2.htm

[Pita]

VMS, looks like we're on the same page.