Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/31/2007

[JuJu]

Where did this "code talker" stuff come from?

[Kat_Gram]

From BFN.. Codetalker is a " new ' poster and this stuff just started over there
within the last day or two. Don't know what to make of it. I think I am going to go there now, see if I can grab those posts . Klaasend grabbed them up and they are in the last thread,

[klaasend]

TY Klaas!

One possibility just occured to me. What poster do we know who is Dutch...and likes to delete? 

Lazlo?  The only other person I can think of is Reality but he's not Dutch.

I believe if codebreaker’s words are credible and she/he is privy to the event that encompass the disappearance of an eighteen year old American citizen … for sake of justice for Natalee Holloway and … a measure of closure for her family … she/he should be informing the FBI … the family’s legal representation … not posting on internet forum.

However … I do not believe for one minute that codebreaker is Lazlo.  Lazlo’s theory distances Joran from implication … undermines the motives of an anquished mother … implicates the Mountain Brook students and … implies that Natalee was ultimately responsible for her own demise.  Lazlo’s  theory is reminiscent of Julia Renfro and Angela's article/video ... "The Other Side of the Holloway Case".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1290.msg192139;topicseen#msg192139

Janet

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REFUGEES UNLEASHED

Re: Theories on the Natalee Holloway case?
Lazlo Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:10 pm
Could this be what happened to Natalee?

http://p073.ezboard.com/ftheunusualsuspectsfrm7.showMessageRange?topicID=1277.topic&start=41&stop=60

Hi Janet - we were talking about a different poste (don't remember the name right now) that posted one post at Scrux to the attention of Jonathan45 then deleted his post.  We weren't talking about the Codebreaker person posting at BFN.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Polemic was the poster....spent some time looking up the definition and searching when discussed earlier.

[greeneyedlady]

GEL,

I don't really know.  There are of course black people who are Dutch by nationality but it might be like the term Black Irish which only means a regular Irishman with dark features.

And the Pennsylvania Dutch are really German, gets confusing.

But I am not familiar with the term Black Dutch and so don't know.  Rammstein might.  We can ask him when he is on some time.

Thanks Anna..the reason I'd asked is I'm suppose to have "Black Dutch" on my Grandmothers' side of the family. This geneology stuff has never been my "bag" before. I should've looked into this kinda stuff long ago.

[Anna]

Inside South Africa: Brief history of Durban

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Very little is known about the first residents of the area around Durban as there is no written history of the area before it was “discovered” by the Portuguese explorer Vasco da Gama in 1497. Da Gama called the bay Natal, the Portuguese word for Christmas, as he landed on Christmas day.
 
Very little activity took place in Durban until 1842 when the British Lieutenant F. G. Farewell arrived from the Cape Colony with a group of men and established a small settlement. The adverturer Henry Fynn accompanied Farewell and famously befirended Shaka, King of the Zulus by helping him to recover from a battle wound. Shake gave Flynn a 25-mile piece of the coastline in thanks. In 1835, it was decided to build a capital which was named "Durban" after the Cape Governor Sir Benjamin D’Urban.

The Afrikaans Voortrekers who had traveled eastwards from the Cape established the republic of Natalia in 1838 making the town of Pietermaritzburg the capital. The Voortrekkers had many conflicts with the Zulus and British settlers before being forced to accept British rule in 1844.
A sugar cane industry was established in Durban with the Brtish importing thousands of indentured labourers from India to work in the fields. This has today resulted in Durban having a large Indian community.

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So the Dutch and British used to fight over the region and guess a person from there could be of either Dutch or British descent.

[klaasend]

Polemic was the poster....spent some time looking up the definition and searching when discussed earlier.

Thanks 2NJ - yes, Polemic, I had just gotten back from the grocery store and was too lazy to search back.  Thanks!

[Anna]

From BFN.. Codetalker is a " new ' poster and this stuff just started over there
within the last day or two. Don't know what to make of it. I think I am going to go there now, see if I can grab those posts . Klaasend grabbed them up and they are in the last thread,

I don't know what to make of this either.  Interesting to say the least but where has this person been for over two years?

Am curious to see if he/she posts more and contacts the family, etc.

[klaasend]

GEL,

I don't really know.  There are of course black people who are Dutch by nationality but it might be like the term Black Irish which only means a regular Irishman with dark features.

And the Pennsylvania Dutch are really German, gets confusing.

But I am not familiar with the term Black Dutch and so don't know.  Rammstein might.  We can ask him when he is on some time.

Thanks Anna..the reason I'd asked is I'm suppose to have "Black Dutch" on my Grandmothers' side of the family. This geneology stuff has never been my "bag" before. I should've looked into this kinda stuff long ago.

Back in the very early 70's I worked with a man that called himself "black Dutch". 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dutch

[Tamikosmom]

TY Klaas!

One possibility just occured to me. What poster do we know who is Dutch...and likes to delete? 

Lazlo?  The only other person I can think of is Reality but he's not Dutch.

I believe if codebreaker’s words are credible and she/he is privy to the event that encompass the disappearance of an eighteen year old American citizen … for sake of justice for Natalee Holloway and … a measure of closure for her family … she/he should be informing the FBI … the family’s legal representation … not posting on internet forum.

However … I do not believe for one minute that codebreaker is Lazlo.  Lazlo’s theory distances Joran from implication … undermines the motives of an anquished mother … implicates the Mountain Brook students and … implies that Natalee was ultimately responsible for her own demise.  Lazlo’s  theory is reminiscent of Julia Renfro and Angela's article/video ... "The Other Side of the Holloway Case".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1290.msg192139;topicseen#msg192139

Janet

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REFUGEES UNLEASHED

Re: Theories on the Natalee Holloway case?
Lazlo Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:10 pm
Could this be what happened to Natalee?

http://p073.ezboard.com/ftheunusualsuspectsfrm7.showMessageRange?topicID=1277.topic&start=41&stop=60

Hi Janet - we were talking about a different poste (don't remember the name right now) that posted one post at Scrux to the attention of Jonathan45 then deleted his post.  We weren't talking about the Codebreaker person posting at BFN.

LOL  Story of my life ...

Nevertheless ... I still stand by my position regarding those who anonymously post as if they are privy to the truth ... the truth that can expose those who participated in events of the fateful morning of May 30, 2005 ... the truth regarding those who were involved in the coverup but ... fail to take the necessary steps that can blow this case wide open.  Logic dictates if these posters are credible but refuse to come forward ... they are contributing to the roller coaster ride from H---  that the family has been forced to endure for the past 2 1/2 years.

Janet

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

OOPS!!!

My post went throught twice.

Klaas ... could you please delete one of them.

Thanks

Janet

[Observer]

I had family that lived in S.Africa for a decade. Most of the whites are Afrikaners who speak a dutch dialect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaners

[bleachedblack]

Post #18

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This story is that Nadira was fired for fraud and they tried to blame her firing on Natalee Holloway’s case.

ORANJESTAD—- “The firing of Nadira Ramirez, the mother of Statish [sic] and Deepak Kalpoe, has nothing to do with the Holloway-case or the fact that she is the mother of the brothers Kalpoe”, so explains Ike Cohen, director of the Manchebo Hotel.

Hereby Cohen reacts to the expressions of Ramirez in a morning newspaper that says that her firing relates to the Holloway-case. Cohen: “We have given Mrs. Ramirez the reasons for the firings, both verbally and in writing It is not up to us make the reasons for this firing public, since we are of the opinion that it would violate the privacy of Mrs. Ramirez.

The alleged reason that Ramirez was fired would have been fraud. After being off from her work on Monday and Tuesday because of the freeing of her sons Ramirez appeared Wednesday again at her work in the Steakhouse of Manchebo. She was called to the Management, her thinking was that she would have been congratulated. This was not the case. In presence of her highest boss Cohen was she told that she was fired. The alleged fraud would have been committed when she cancelled orders that the clients ate or drank, thus Ramirez would have allegedly put the money in her own pocket. Ramirez denies to have committed fraud and is thinking of fighting her ficanceledring. Ramirez worked nine years in the Steakhouse at Manchebo.

http://tinyurl.com/2fbhct

[Kat_Gram]

" like the term Black Irish which only means a regular Irishman with dark features"
Black Irish is a term used for the dark featured Irish people, yes, but the meaning is of one who is decended from the Spanish sailors who came to Ireland and left behind "presents "  for the girls nine months later. Or they could have married them.
I've never heard it used in a nice way, in fact when I've heard it is was quite an insult. Low born, born on the wrong side of the blanket, not pure Celt  etc

[bleachedblack]

http://tinyurl.com/ys8dem

andrea j.
Monday, July 18th, 2005, 08:10 PM
Hey all
I was distressed to learn that Mrs. Kalpoe Ramirez was "fired" from the French Steakhouse.
I wrote to the owner.
Here is the response.
I have no comment
other than to say....too much of a coincidence IMO.


Dear Andrea,
Further to your email of July 09, 2005 we would like to advise you of the following.

News stories were released in the local press on July 08, 2005 in reference to the dismissal at Manchebo Beach Hotel of Mrs. Ramirez and the reasons apparently given by Mrs. Ramirez. We would like to advise you that those reasons for dismissal given by Mrs. Ramirez were incorrect. We would like to let you know that the dismissal of Mrs. Ramirez has nothing to do with the fact that she is the mother of the Kalpoe brothers, who could have been involved with the Natalee Holloway case. We did advise Mrs. Ramirez the reasons of her dismissal both verbally as well as in writing. It is however not up to us to make these reasons publicly known as it is our opinion that this would hinder the right of privacy of Mrs. Ramirez.

We very much appreciate and understand your concerns and would like to let you know that the Aruba law does not allow employers to dismiss an employee from work without an urgent reason. Again, we would like to repeat that the reason for the dismissal of Mrs. Ramirez has absolutely nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case.

We understand your concern and hope to welcome you again at the French Steakhouse on your return visit to our island.



Cordially,

Ike Cohen

Owner

Edgar Roelofs

Director of Operations

[greeneyedlady]

GEL,

I don't really know.  There are of course black people who are Dutch by nationality but it might be like the term Black Irish which only means a regular Irishman with dark features.

And the Pennsylvania Dutch are really German, gets confusing.

But I am not familiar with the term Black Dutch and so don't know.  Rammstein might.  We can ask him when he is on some time.

Thanks Anna..the reason I'd asked is I'm suppose to have "Black Dutch" on my Grandmothers' side of the family. This geneology stuff has never been my "bag" before. I should've looked into this kinda stuff long ago.

Back in the very early 70's I worked with a man that called himself "black Dutch". 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dutch

Thanks, Klass. Interesting!

[Anna]

I have only heard people apply the term to themselves as being part Black Irish.  I know there was once a political party Black and Tans or something like that, maybe a revolutionary group but also think they figured in as some point with some.

Not sure what it means exactly nor Black Dutch but it may well refer to dark features as you say, not the typical redheaded, fair skinned coloration of the Irish.  Could be the same for the Dutch as well.

Over the years, these things have a way of taking on a life of their own.

And I was shocked!  Shocked I tell ya when that software OSPainter posted yesterday took my ancestors right back to New York!  Yankees!!!  But maybe neighbors of San's ancestors, too, so that part is OK.

[KarmaRoundUp]

http://tinyurl.com/ys8dem

andrea j.
Monday, July 18th, 2005, 08:10 PM
Hey all
I was distressed to learn that Mrs. Kalpoe Ramirez was "fired" from the French Steakhouse.
I wrote to the owner.
Here is the response.
I have no comment
other than to say....too much of a coincidence IMO.


Dear Andrea,
Further to your email of July 09, 2005 we would like to advise you of the following.

News stories were released in the local press on July 08, 2005 in reference to the dismissal at Manchebo Beach Hotel of Mrs. Ramirez and the reasons apparently given by Mrs. Ramirez. We would like to advise you that those reasons for dismissal given by Mrs. Ramirez were incorrect. We would like to let you know that the dismissal of Mrs. Ramirez has nothing to do with the fact that she is the mother of the Kalpoe brothers, who could have been involved with the Natalee Holloway case. We did advise Mrs. Ramirez the reasons of her dismissal both verbally as well as in writing. It is however not up to us to make these reasons publicly known as it is our opinion that this would hinder the right of privacy of Mrs. Ramirez.

We very much appreciate and understand your concerns and would like to let you know that the Aruba law does not allow employers to dismiss an employee from work without an urgent reason. Again, we would like to repeat that the reason for the dismissal of Mrs. Ramirez has absolutely nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case.

We understand your concern and hope to welcome you again at the French Steakhouse on your return visit to our island.



Cordially,

Ike Cohen

Owner

Edgar Roelofs

Director of Operations

Nadira worked at the steak house for 9 years,so it's safe to assume she has been on aruba for at least 9 years.I don't think Satish and Deepak have been there for 9 years also have they?

[Nut44x4]

Klaas....do you have time to take one of the 'route maps' that you have done and change it to the way codebreaker says things happened so we can get a visual??

[Nut44x4]

port map