Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/31/2007

[jackb]

Does anyone remember someone making an issue about whose hand was in that pic of JK2 that was being shown on all the news stations?  They were saying to notice the hand.  That hand was Freddie's.  Who kept bringing that up?

That would be bluej.  I have the whole pic now.  It was freddy.  At the time Jack or the real Sam.  It is Freddy in the pic.       blue

[shadow]

I knew I had not lost my mind...well you never know for sure...but...



Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

What do you think they mean by saying the above bolded?

[Lala'sMom]

Maybe I should post a little more here...Am I going to get in trouble? This isn't the Shango thread.   

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: Centennial Park
Doesn't anybody here remember who Richard Jewell is?

As far as foreighners not having the same rights as compared to when they are in their
own county...damn right they don't. US Citizens should especially bear that in mind

**Question from poster: JetSki Boy. = locoman?

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject: Thursday is a day with no
character...
Who snatched the body? The mutts seem to think it was there.

Obstruction anybody? Cowboys don't have badges.

There's a well in the back. Who will go and look?

No codes for the wicked.

whos mutts - Van Der Straaten stepped infront of SAR and told them to leave.
Where are we talking about?

[jackb]

I knew I had not lost my mind...well you never know for sure...but...



Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

Someone posted the picture on this page of the person whose hand it is.  It is Freddy.  He, in one of Joran's first versions, was spending the night with Joran, later that was scrapped by him.  I, as well believe he was there and others as well at the PVs residence and Jorans extention to that residence.       bluej

[Lala'sMom]

Yes, it is Freddy...at first the MSM removed his part in the photo due to the fact they had no idea if he was involved.  It wasn't until later that they showed the complete photo.  So once again...did Simian...er I mean Merian know more than we are led to believe?  Just throwing that out there...we can take this discussion to the Shango thread if you like. 

[klaasend]

Yes, it is Freddy...at first the MSM removed his part in the photo due to the fact they had no idea if he was involved.  It wasn't until later that they showed the complete photo.  So once again...did Simian...er I mean Merian know more than we are led to believe?  Just throwing that out there...we can take this discussion to the Shango thread if you like. 

Lala's I have no idea but I do suspect Freddy is involved.

[Tamikosmom]

Not inside connections ... not a vision ... not a riddle ... just a theory based on researching info that out there.

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I believe that Freddy was waiting at the VDS' residence ... with his camera ... when Satish, Deepak and Joran arrived with a drugged Natalee.  In an attempt to escape Natalee sustained a head injury.  Then during the sexual assault that ensued Natalee appeared to pass out.  The decision was made to take her to the beach where she could sleep it off and ... make her own way to the HI in time to catch her plane back home.

Enroute to the beach ... Deepak drops off Satish at home.  Prior to reaching the beach ... it was determined that Natalee was deceased.  However ... it was decided to stick to the original plan of leaving her at the beach.

Deepak dropped off Joran, Freddy and a deceased Natalee at the beach while he parked his vehicle a short distance away at the tennis club.  After leaving Natalee at the beach (Fisherman's Hut).  Deepak then runs back to the beach and meets up with Joran and Freddy.

A very short time later ... Joran, Deepak and Freddy hurriedly climb into Deepak's vehicle.  A discussion ensues and panic has set in.  The realization that the injury and the DNA evidence on Natalee's person could be very incriminating when it was considered that Joran, Deepak and Satish were observed leaving CC with Natalee.

The gardener enters the picture and ... then Paulus is contacted and ... takes over.

Janet

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Diario Aruba
December 6, 2006

Oranjestad (AAN) As promised to the peoples of Aruba and the U.S.A., DIARIO will continue with its investigation on the missing girl, Natalee Holloway, and will publish legitimate documents accompanied by analysis and questions that sooner or later will bring out the truth.

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Seeing that the Dutch officer himself mentions that "they" entered into panic, according to the declaration of Freddy Zedan, then there were more than one person involved and everyone can reach his own conclusion that Freddy Zedan knows those who he himself referred to as "they", or in Papiamento "nan".  "They" went into panic when Natalee remained passed out!!! This means that more than one person was present when Natalee remained passed out and where are these people who were with Natalee when she remained passed out?  On the beach like "they" want the police and everyone else to believe, or elsewhere? Do they who belong to the group referred to as "they" realize now that the circle is slowly closing around "them"? For those who understand what this means, few words are necessary!


Diana Emerencia - Freddy's Attorney
Decatur Daily News
August 31, 2005  

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach.  Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing.


Beth Twitty
LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005

GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario?
 
MANSUR: ... there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.

[klaasend]

Janet - your theory makes alot of sense, IMO

[wreck]

Janet - your theory makes alot of sense, IMO

I agree -- VERY plausible!

[Frank]

Janet,

You're theory makes sense, but where does the premeditated murder charge for Paulus come from? And, the heavy battery charge against Guido?

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

You're theory makes sense, but where does the premeditated murder charge for Paulus come from? And, the heavy battery charge against Guido?

Not a clue!  LOL

[JuJu]

MANSUR: ... there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.

was this during the night or early morning when she disappeared?

by the way Hi Monkeys!

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

You're theory makes sense, but where does the premeditated murder charge for Paulus come from? And, the heavy battery charge against Guido?

My theory continued ...

GUIDO

Guido could have been waiting with Freddy at the VDS' residence for the arrival of Joran, Deepak, Satish and Natalee.


PAULUS

In January, 2007 the Superior Court ruled that Paulus' detainment was justified because his original declaration stated that he was in the area of McDonald's on the morning that Natalee Holloway disappeared.


STEVE CROES

Steve Croes came forward with a false alibi for the main suspects.  Also he could have assisted Paulus in moving a deceased Natalee from the beach on that fateful morning.  An early rumor implied there was an early morning cell call between the VDS' cell and Steve Croes's cell.  Steve Croes and Geoffrey van Cromvoirt retained same attorney.


GEOFFREY VAN CROMVOIT

GVC could have assisted Paulus in moving a deceased Natalee from the beach on that fateful morning.  Steve Croes and Geoffrey van Cromvoirt retained the same attorney.

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SUSPECTS IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE


Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt (GVC)
ABC NEWS
April 24, 2006

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19, has been released into the custody of his parents after spending more than a week in an Aruba jail on suspicion of "criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.


Guildo Wever
FOX NEWS
May 22, 2006

Guido Wever, an Aruba national, is expected to face charges Tuesday in a Dutch courtroom connection with the disappearance of the high school senior. Wever's lawyer, Gerard Spong was expected to file a suit Monday to prevent his extradition to the Caribbean island on charges of "assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen

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CRITERIA FOR DETAINMENT UNDER DUTCH LAW

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system. You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion. After a maximum of 146 days, the prosecution must determine the criminal offense that has been committed and make an official summation for court. And God forbid that they cannot determine what criminal offense has been committed, the case remains open, and it can remain open for a whole number of years, actually, until the due process, the international rules about due process, up to two years


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

[robots]

Janet - your theory makes alot of sense, IMO

 

[Nut44x4]

Janet - your theory makes alot of sense, IMO

I agree -- VERY plausible!

I agree!!

[San]

Janet,

You're theory makes sense, but where does the premeditated murder charge for Paulus come from? And, the heavy battery charge against Guido?

Janet's theory does makes sense.  Joran is the one who inflicted the head injury.

I have long believed that Natalee made that phone call and this is what set Joran off.  I'll add Viet Vet's post where he said Joran hit Natalee in the head with a bat.  Now we have an injured Natalee at the Sloots.  This is where Paulus enters and decides not to help her and dispose of her.  Does disposing of a severely injured person who was in the home of a judge lead to premeditated murder on that hell hole of an island.

If Natalee is found alive both Paul and Joran are finished.  The crime happened at his home with Paulus present.

[klaasend]

Posted by ElaineS at RU:

Heli ~ looks like a front page poster brought up the "mistake" in spelling by and to Klassend, and it was corrected. I thought she was a teacher of sorts??? I hope she doesn't have to write anything!!! lol She'd have flunked out of my class a long time ago.

Here's a precious foreword to the article about the waterspout which I assume was written by Klassend:

Aruba, One Happy Island, experienced One Happy water spout and flooding. We thought the Aruban AHATA said this type of weather never occurred in Aruba? That type of PR can’t be good for tourism either.

This idiot doesn't realize that thank goodness no damage was done!!!

AND, the tourists thought it was amazing and cool!!!

It's strange how they worry so much about Aruba, isn't it?? 

ElaineS - No, you assume wrong and thus have made an ass out of yourself again.   

[Frank]

Janet,

I think you're response is probably the answer only spoken by Karin Janssen. It's hard to understand if this woman is a moron or part of the corruption.

Why, of all the charges she could have attached to her friend and fellow Dutchman, would she use PREMEDITATED murder?

I think Paulus got involved when she was still alive, has to be.

[JuJu]

If not for the Casino pic I a might be able to consider that Paulus was only involved in the "clean up".....he was involved in it from the beginning...

[truthseeker2]

Posted by ElaineS at RU:

Heli ~ looks like a front page poster brought up the "mistake" in spelling by and to Klassend, and it was corrected. I thought she was a teacher of sorts??? I hope she doesn't have to write anything!!! lol She'd have flunked out of my class a long time ago.

Here's a precious foreword to the article about the waterspout which I assume was written by Klassend:

Aruba, One Happy Island, experienced One Happy water spout and flooding. We thought the Aruban AHATA said this type of weather never occurred in Aruba? That type of PR can’t be good for tourism either.

This idiot doesn't realize that thank goodness no damage was done!!!

AND, the tourists thought it was amazing and cool!!!

It's strange how they worry so much about Aruba, isn't it?? 

ElaineS - No, you assume wrong and thus have made an ass out of yourself again.   

People should worry about Aruba.  The island is obviously a more dangerous place than advertised and if you are a tourist and ‘something bad happens’ to you the people last seen with you will placed on a pedestal by those who spend way too much time trying to convice themselves that personal responsibility should only be expected of the victim.  This is done to validate themselves.  They misbehave, therefore everyone misbehaves.

Klaas, you should feel honored when that group over there shows contempt for you.   You obviously stand for whatever they are against.  This is a good thing.

We love ya over here!