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Frank
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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August 28, 2007, 03:17:31 PM »
JuJu,
Not to mention the superior courts words when they rejected his claim for compensation. He had 2 contacts with Natalee.
I think he "targeted" her and was at the house when she arrived, he ordered her killed.
On a side note, Greta's brilliance was again on display last night. She jumped on a "new" story, saying Michael Vicks (yes she said Vicks) was in a "heap of trouble."
Nice phrasing I tend to believe him Greta.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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Quote from: JuJu on August 28, 2007, 03:09:17 PM
If not for the Casino pic I a might be able to consider that Paulus was only involved in the "clean up".....he was involved in it from the beginning...
That casino pic needs to be looked at by the authorities. Not only that pic, but the tape itself should have a better view of who that person is and how long they were at that table. That guy does resemble Paulus from what little we can see. I wish there was a better view of that guy. If it is Paulus...he's got some 'splainin' to do.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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Of course it's paulus, come on.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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Quote from: Frank on August 28, 2007, 03:20:08 PM
Of course it's paulus, come on.
LOL. I think so, too, Frank. But you have to admit it ain't that great a shot of him. Also, I would like to know how long he was there and how much time did he spend talking to Natalee.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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Quote from: JuJu on August 28, 2007, 03:09:17 PM
If not for the Casino pic I a might be able to consider that Paulus was only involved in the "clean up".....he was involved in it from the beginning...
JuJu ... you may be right. I also firmly believe that the man recorded conversing with Natalee at the black jack table is Paulus.
However ... I suspect that when Paulus considered his involvement in the coverup ... the disappearance of Natalee's remains ... it was important that he distance himself from Natalee all together ... to ensure there was no connection. This is why the story conveyed by both Joran and Paulus emerged ... the story that implies that Paulus left the casino half way through the poker game ... prior to Joran's encounter with Natalee at the black jack table.
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March 1, 2006
VAN DER SLOOT: I remember — I remember when I first saw her. I went there, I went to the casino, the Excelsior casino at the Holiday Inn, to play a free poker tournament. I remember walking in there and sitting at a —
playing a — first playing a poker tournament, then afterwards, when I was done, going to a blackjack table and sitting down. And I remember her and her friends coming up to the table. They sat down. They wanted to play blackjack.
<snipped>
VAN DER SLOOT: ... And yes, so my dad had come with me. And halfway through, he — because my mom at the time was in Holland, halfway through, he had to go back home to my little brother because he was home alone. And I took his place at the poker tournament because I had lost earlier. So I went in and I took his place and I played for him.
Paulus van der Sloot
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June 18, 2005
On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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I thought it was confirmed that it was him in the pic
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Quote from: JuJu on August 28, 2007, 03:27:53 PM
I thought it was confirmed that it was him in the pic
The only 'confirmation' I have seen is by those of us on the blogs who believe it is him.
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on August 28, 2007, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: JuJu on August 28, 2007, 03:27:53 PM
I thought it was confirmed that it was him in the pic
The only 'confirmation' I have seen is by those of us on the blogs who believe it is him.
When JQK was on one of the news shows and they asked him if it was Paulus I believe his response was it sure does look like him. That is enough confirmation for me.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/44196-anyone-else-following-natalee-holloway-case-9.html
amigoe.com :
Mother Kalpoe-brothers fired
ARUBA – “The dismissal of Nadira Ramirez, the mother of the Kalpoe brothers, has nothing to do with the Holloway-case or the fact that she is the mother of the Kalpoe-brothers”, said Ike Cohen, manager of the Manchebo hotel.
With his, Cohen reacts on Ramirez’ comments in a morning paper saying that her dismissal is connected to the Holloway-case
. “We have given Ramirez the reasons for her dismissal. We did this verbally as well as in writing. It is not up to us to publish the reasons for this dismissal, as we are of the opinion that this would invade the privacy of Mrs. Ramirez.” She was supposedly fired due to fraud. After having taken two days off in connection with the release of her sons, Ramirez went back to work on Wednesday. When she was told to go to the manager’s office, she thought that it was to be congratulated with the release of her sons. But that was not the case. She was fired.
Apparently, she took the money of the customers’ cancelled bills, and put it in her own pocket.
She denies this and considers contesting the dismissal. Ramirez has been working in the Manchebo steakhouse for nine years.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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August 28, 2007, 03:44:12 PM »
Interresting article posted on the front page of SM by Richard:
Drug lord's private island seized
August 28, 2007
BY ASSOCIATED PRESS
BOGOTA, Colombia---- Colombia said Monday it has seized a private Caribbean island and hundreds of other properties allegedly used by powerful cocaine trafficker to launder millions of dollars in drug profits.
Juan Carlos Ramirez Abadia was arrested in a luxury condominium on the outskirts of Sao Paulo, Brazil, on Aug. 7. He faces three U.S. federal indictments on drug and racketeering charges, and U.S. officials have said they plan to seek his extradition.
Colombian authorities said they seized 300 properties across the country -- including farms, apartments, empty lots, a hotel and gymnasium -- worth about $400 million.
They also seized a private island near the Caribbean tourist city of Cartagena
, four cars and 18 private businesses, among them a travel agency and real estate company. They gave no details on the island.
Ramirez Abadia, 44, said in an interview Sunday night with TV Globo's Fantastico news and entertainment program -- Brazil's most popular -- that his arrest will not affect drug trafficking.
''From all the people who started with me in this business several years ago, there are only two or three left. The rest either died or were extradited,'' he said. ''I'm in prison but there are people replacing me, then there will be others. It will never end.''
Even while acknowledging his involvement in Colombia's lucrative cocaine trade, Ramirez Abadia vowed not to testify against his former partners if he is extradited to the United States .
''I'm not going to make any deals,'' he said. ''I'll assume responsibility for my problems alone.''
Ramirez Abadia -- nicknamed ''Chupeta,'' or lollipop in Colombian Spanish -- is considered one of the ringleaders of the Norte del Valle drug cartel, Colombia's most powerful. The United States had offered a $5 million reward for his capture.
In 1996 he was sentenced to 13 years in prison in Colombia on a drug conviction, but was released in 2001.
In January, authorities confiscated $90 million in various currencies that Ramirez Abadia had allegedly stashed in safe houses in the southern city of Cali, near the cartel's base.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/531005,drug082807.article
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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No, it's possible someone else who coincidentally looks exactly like the father of Joran who is also sitting at the same table and who Natalee is pointing to while talking to the guy who just happens to, at that, moment be sitting next to Natalee. Yeah, it is him. He slaughtered Natalee.
Only Paulus van der sloot can make Michael Vick look harmless.
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 28, 2007, 03:27:49 PM
VAN DER SLOOT: ... And yes, so my dad had come with me. And halfway through, he — because my mom at the time was in Holland, halfway through, he had to go back home to my little brother because he was home alone. And I took his place at the poker tournament because I had lost earlier. So I went in and I took his place and I played for him.
Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005
On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours,
I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time.
I hope I cleaned up some of this quote so that it isn't so long. This is where I am confused. Early on it was also stated that Paulus had just returned from another island that afternoon (story was Joran went a picked him up at the airport?). So, was he not home with the boys while Anita was gone? Again...so many stories to try to keep sorted out!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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as i have mentioned a few times before
if that is NOT paulus i will eat my Left Tongue
robots have 2 tongues
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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Warm bodies need to Stand Up for Natalee.
Shows coming up all over the U.S. - probably in a city NEAR YOU!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1003.new#new
This link is to the current page of the "Aruba" tourism/travel show thread.
6 shows coming up --
Chicago-Sept 25,26 and 27th
Minnesota-October 27th and 28th
Atlantic City-October 30th and 31st
King of Prussia PA-Nov 17th and 18th
Ft lauderdale-November- I will be at this one
Luxury Travel Show in Vegas- Dec 4th thru the 6th.
If you can't make it to a show, a $$ donation helps - folks are on their own for travel/lodging etc., but the handouts (brochures, buttons) and signs are another expense.
If you read through the thread you will get an idea of what's what. There are photos from previous shows, and I think a copy of the brochure.
There is an email address (which recently changed -
be sure to use the "Justice" addy rather than the "Volunteers" addy
). It is posted at the thread above.
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Why did they have to disappear her body?
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on August 28, 2007, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: JuJu on August 28, 2007, 03:27:53 PM
I thought it was confirmed that it was him in the pic
The only 'confirmation' I have seen is by those of us on the blogs who believe it is him.
What would the odds be that in a nation of about 70,000 people, a guy that looked exactly like someone who has a hand in Natalee's disappearance walked in and sat down next to Natalee, a few hours before the other guy made her disappear?
There is no doubt that is Paulus.
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Quote from: JuJu on August 28, 2007, 02:19:17 PM
MANSUR: ... there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.
was this during the night or early morning when she disappeared?
by the way Hi Monkeys!
I remember reading at RWV about a story from a tourist who saw the same thing. I think they observed 3 men retreaving a body from a dumpster and putting it in a tarp and then into a white PU. I believe one of them worked for the Marriott or HI. This could also be tied into "Franscisco" who said he helped bury Natalee and was then locked up in the mental hospital according to Art Wood. Could this be linked to ATM transactions that morning? Or the shallow grave that TES had found?We also heard about the witness that saw 3 sweaty boys with a shovel..Could that be the same area?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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Quote from: oldencrabby on August 28, 2007, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 28, 2007, 03:27:49 PM
VAN DER SLOOT: ... And yes, so my dad had come with me. And halfway through, he — because my mom at the time was in Holland, halfway through, he had to go back home to my little brother because he was home alone. And I took his place at the poker tournament because I had lost earlier. So I went in and I took his place and I played for him.
Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005
On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours,
I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time.
I hope I cleaned up some of this quote so that it isn't so long. This is where I am confused. Early on it was also stated that Paulus had just returned from another island that afternoon (story was Joran went a picked him up at the airport?). So, was he not home with the boys while Anita was gone? Again...so many stories to try to keep sorted out!
I have asked these same questions here before. Exactly how long was Anita gone? Weren't the two younger boys with her? If not, who watched out for the kids while both parents were apparently off the island? Was Sebastion home alone, or was he as someone's house? How could Joran pick Paulus up at the airport...it's illegal for him to drive.
Well...I'm sure there are other questions about this particular issue. As usual, when you put the available information together it all becomes contradictory.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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Janssen a Moron?
Quite possible. JQK said she liked Dompig...another idiot.
Contradictory for sure. Refusing to step down while continuing to fail and fail and fail.
It was her silence, and that of the prosecuter's office that i find unforgivable. It provided a breeding ground for untold wild accusations and left Natalee without a voice on Aruba.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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Quote from: blah on August 28, 2007, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on August 28, 2007, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: JuJu on August 28, 2007, 03:27:53 PM
I thought it was confirmed that it was him in the pic
The only 'confirmation' I have seen is by those of us on the blogs who believe it is him.
What would the odds be that in a nation of about 70,000 people, a guy that looked exactly like someone who has a hand in Natalee's disappearance walked in and sat down next to Natalee, a few hours before the other guy made her disappear?
There is no doubt that is Paulus.
I agree, but if you want to make it 'stick' you have to have a better pic. Even if the chances are one in a million some would say that is enough to raise doubts. A better pic could seal the deal. While we may not have one I bet someone in Aruba does.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/29/2007
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Quote from: msmarple on August 28, 2007, 03:59:36 PM
Warm bodies need to Stand Up for Natalee.
Shows coming up all over the U.S. - probably in a city NEAR YOU!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1003.new#new
This link is to the current page of the "Aruba" tourism/travel show thread.
6 shows coming up --
Chicago-Sept 25,26 and 27th
Minnesota-October 27th and 28th
Atlantic City-October 30th and 31st
King of Prussia PA-Nov 17th and 18th
Ft lauderdale-November- I will be at this one
Luxury Travel Show in Vegas- Dec 4th thru the 6th.
If you can't make it to a show, a $$ donation helps - folks are on their own for travel/lodging etc., but the handouts (brochures, buttons) and signs are another expense.
If you read through the thread you will get an idea of what's what. There are photos from previous shows, and I think a copy of the brochure.
There is an email address (which recently changed -
be sure to use the "Justice" addy rather than the "Volunteers" addy
). It is posted at the thread above.
msmarple
- thanks for the reminder!
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===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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