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« Reply #640 on: August 29, 2007, 06:03:19 PM »

Why all the negative energy? (Oh yeah, this is Aruba) But I have to say I would be surprised if the KLPD does nothing.

Sometimes people's worst qualities, in this case the Dutch, can be their best qualities.

The KLPD will not be manipulated and it's not only in their nature to be cold, but also somewhat precise. I'm pretty sure they know what happened here and will not care about Aruba's impact on tourism.

As one poster said, they have to prosecute, not because of any pressure or politics, but because they have the picture of what happened here.

There is no good option for Aruba and at this point, what more can Oduber and Croes do to be less cooperative?

Who's going to explain how she od'd and disappeared herself?

Is there any truth to the rumor that the Miss Teen who did her Arlene Schippers impression will be hired as the new spokesperson to explain the hybrid Dutch law?
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« Reply #641 on: August 29, 2007, 06:14:05 PM »

Posted by Victor (on scrux) regarding the BonDia article (translated by arubagirl) posted earlier.

Maybe it is interesting to add that the OM when asked, after the latest intensive investigation one would expect it would be more then clear to them whether they have something or they don't, the answer was, having something(s) that stand out, things that would be considered to be more then clear by ppl in general does not mean it therefor also being easy to tie it to a person juridically.

Basically they will say they know she died of an OD but we can't pin it on anyone.  Such BS.  How did they come to their conclusions.  Based on a bunch of liars statements.  Based on a pervert father and his psycho sons.  Based on two brothers who are a waste of life.

I know I sound like a broken record -- but what the "Aruban Justice Department" thinks they know, ain't necessarily what the KLPD knows!  Wink
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« Reply #642 on: August 29, 2007, 06:19:24 PM »

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[Is there any truth to the rumor that the Miss Teen who did her Arlene Schippers impression will be hired as the new spokesperson to explain the hybrid Dutch law?/quote]  Laughing Wink
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« Reply #643 on: August 29, 2007, 06:19:58 PM »

I asked this in musings and didn'y get any response. I will try here.
  Has there been any definate date as to yet when Paul Reynolds will start posting here?  TIA !!!
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« Reply #644 on: August 29, 2007, 06:24:41 PM »

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« Reply #645 on: August 29, 2007, 06:36:31 PM »

I asked this in musings and didn'y get any response. I will try here.
  Has there been any definate date as to yet when Paul Reynolds will start posting here?  TIA !!!

Angie - not sure why it's important to you but why don't you email Red?  He would be the one who knows. 

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« Reply #646 on: August 29, 2007, 06:40:35 PM »

I asked this in musings and didn'y get any response. I will try here.
  Has there been any definate date as to yet when Paul Reynolds will start posting here?  TIA !!!

Angie - not sure why it's important to you but why don't you email Red?  He would be the one who knows. 

red@scaredmonkeys.com

 TY Klaas.. I know Reds email addy. I am sending you and Im. I am not going to post here why I asked . 
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« Reply #647 on: August 29, 2007, 06:50:34 PM »

I am glad I had my dinner before I saw those pictures of Renho. Razz
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« Reply #648 on: August 29, 2007, 06:50:35 PM »

So I guess this means KLPD won't be back in Aruba in September...it is November now? Same as TES. Strange. Anywho...I have been looking around here http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/aruba.html and found some pictures...not finished looking yet. Did we ever find out who Renfro's man is?
Here is a link to Soul Bch photos '05
http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/index.htm

A paid escort most likely.


Lmao...he IS Hot...too hot4her, lol.
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« Reply #649 on: August 29, 2007, 06:58:40 PM »

I am glad I had my dinner before I saw those pictures of Renho. Razz

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« Reply #650 on: August 29, 2007, 06:59:32 PM »

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Hi, I am from Canada. I landed in Aruba and went to the Holiday Inn on May 29th - the day before Natalee went missing. Let me tell you something - I did not see one local police officer in that hotel - as a male guest staying with another male guest, I would have thought the place would be crawling with local police at least questioning everyone there in order to determine if anyone saw her. Nothing! The only presence at that hotel was her family organizing a search for their daughter and the American news media (thank God for the pressure the American News media exerted on the local justice system otherwise I don't think the locals would have done anything). That being said, the locals should be ashamed at how long it took them to organize a search and how long it took them to detain and interrogate the people that were last seen with her. The outside world needs to keep the pressure on these people to determine what has happened to this young girl. Every day I hope to see the U.S. Authorities ask people not to travel to Aruba until the case is solved - it is the only way the local Government will put the appropriate resources to solving it. Trust me, that judge they brought in from the local island of Curacao spent his weekends golfing with Paul Van der Sloot - both islands are under Dutch rule and the legal circle is very small. Americans, stay away until the Aruban/Dutch Government puts a real effort into this search!
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« Reply #651 on: August 29, 2007, 07:13:05 PM »

Klaas, if this doesn't belong here, will you move it.

I found the following very interesting. For anyone who does not know Ann Rule. She is a true crime writer, former Seattle policewoman, and arthur of 19 or more NY Times bestsellers.

                          A NOTE ON LIARS

In a sense, all my stories are about liars. Some of the killers I write about have lied all their lives, and some have lied only to throw their victims off balance so that they become vulnerable. Once a lie is successful in giving a person what he or she wants, it grows and multiplies, burnished and perfected until it works everytime. It's a sad irony that the more honest a potential victim is, the more innocent, the more likely such a person is to become prey.  Honest people do not expect to be lied to, because they wouldn't lie to someone else.  That doesn't matter at all to dedicated liars. They only smile.

Their ability to twist the truth make them as belivable as preachers in the pulpit-and as evil as the dark forces any minister decries.

All their crimes were examples of conscienceless cruelty. Perhaps more shocking is the fact that they were so often forgiven and were offered so many chances to start over.  In the end, each reverted to type; they were as dangerous as a rabid lion in the street.


How long do you think it will be until Joran reverts to type?
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« Reply #652 on: August 29, 2007, 07:21:37 PM »

Same site.....pg2 Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:39 pm  Post subject:  Aruba
Funny how Arubians say the Island is so safe and things like that usually never happen. The Island is not safe. We traveled there a few years ago and we were robbed up by the lighthouse. We went to the police and they just kind of laughed alittle and said it happens all the time. We also say another couple in there the same time and they were also robbed by the beach, all of there things and clothes. If you notice the cops have alot of jewelry on and have alot of other things. Have a feeling they might even be a little part of it all. Safe no way, pretty much ran to my plane. Even the taxi services gave us a hassel about wanting more money at the airport. My husband told him off and we ran to the plane and I will never go back. Just remember Aruba is not a safe place no matter what they say. 
 
 

 
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« Reply #653 on: August 29, 2007, 07:30:24 PM »

Klaas, if this doesn't belong here, will you move it.

I found the following very interesting. For anyone who does not know Ann Rule. She is a true crime writer, former Seattle policewoman, and arthur of 19 or more NY Times bestsellers.

                          A NOTE ON LIARS

In a sense, all my stories are about liars. Some of the killers I write about have lied all their lives, and some have lied only to throw their victims off balance so that they become vulnerable. Once a lie is successful in giving a person what he or she wants, it grows and multiplies, burnished and perfected until it works everytime. It's a sad irony that the more honest a potential victim is, the more innocent, the more likely such a person is to become prey.  Honest people do not expect to be lied to, because they wouldn't lie to someone else.  That doesn't matter at all to dedicated liars. They only smile.

Their ability to twist the truth make them as belivable as preachers in the pulpit-and as evil as the dark forces any minister decries.

All their crimes were examples of conscienceless cruelty. Perhaps more shocking is the fact that they were so often forgiven and were offered so many chances to start over.  In the end, each reverted to type; they were as dangerous as a rabid lion in the street.


How long do you think it will be until Joran reverts to type?



I love Ann Rule. I have read nearly every book she has written and in fact am reading one now. (Well, not this minute, but you know). I read all true crime. Love to get into the minds of the serial killers and such. It fascinates me. My bookcase is full of it.
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« Reply #654 on: August 29, 2007, 07:34:41 PM »

Me too Nut, I just started her latest, Too Late To Say Goodbye. About the Georgia dentist.
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« Reply #655 on: August 29, 2007, 07:41:06 PM »


Could have been both Freddy and Satish at C&C's.Joran targeted Natalee,Satish was with Deepak and Joran in the beginning of their night,Freddy just shows up at C&C's possible with a few other pimps.Satish could have been dropped off at home before their pimp game began and Freddy(and possible a few other pimps)had their sick fun with Natalee.Dropping Satish off at home before their sick games began could also be a way for Deepak to protect his brother.

Wasn't there something about Deepak and Satish going to talk to "some friends" at C and C's?  could those friends have been Freddy and other pimps? One of them said they were talking to friends, and when he turned around he couldn't find the others and went out to the car.  I think that was Deepak.
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« Reply #656 on: August 29, 2007, 07:43:47 PM »

Thanks Igsigs!

Bondia 8/29/07 - translated by Arubagirl and posted at RU by Sunmoonstars:

Article Bon Dia Aruba...Arubagirl translation

It still hasn't been decided if the Dutch team has to return to Aruba
In November The Justice Department Will Take a Decision on the Nataly [sic] Holloway Case

Oranjestad. The developments in the investigations of the disappearance case of Nataly [sic] Holloway case have changed. This is what Bon Dia Aruba could conclude after an interview with the spokeswoman for the Justice Department mr. [lawyer --ag] Vivian van der Biezen.

Previously Bon Dia Aruba had published that the Dutch investigative team returned to the Netherlands because of the vacation season and that the intention was to return next month to continue the investigations together with the Aruban team. After the Dutch team returned to the Netherlands, the Aruban team continued the necessary investigations.

Bon Dia Aruba understood from the Justice Department that the decision has been made to evaluate all the information produced by the investigations. This will take the necessary time and during the evaluation of the information it will be seen if assistance from the Netherlands is still necessary. If this is necessary they will be called to return but if this is not necessary, than the Justice Department will conclude from the gathered information what is going to happen with the Nataly [sic] Holloway case.

The Justice Department stipulated that in November 2007 a decision will be made with the Nataly [sic] Holloway case. The Justice Department will choose to commence a criminal case against the three suspects who are Joran van der Sloot and the brothers Kalpoe, or the Justice Department will decide that there is not sufficient evidence to start a criminal case and will let the case go.

It can be expected that whatever decision the Justice Department takes, this will have international coverage and possibly there will be members of the American press once more on Aruba to search for information and bring this into publicity as they see fit and consequently this could hurt the image of our island.
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Bon Dia Aruba, Page A3, Wednesday August 29, 2007

If I understand this correctly, Aruba will decide if further assisitance is needed from the Netherlands to determine if they will proceed to prosecute this case or let it go? WTF!?

If Aruba gets to decide, why did the Netherlands even bother coming to Aruba? That's like giving the fox the keys to the chicken coup. There is a criminal corruption case to made against ALE, and I'm just sure that they will overlook that in order to pursue justice. There is SO much to lead to THAT conclusion!

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« Reply #657 on: August 29, 2007, 07:45:04 PM »

From Joran's June 9, 2005 statement:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0

On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00 hours, to the "Excelsior Casino" at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play "Texas Hold'm poker". (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named "Paul van der SLOOT" to the casino. I went to play "Texas Hold'm Poker" with my father. It is a poker game in which you get 7 cards and you have to make a card combination with your best (5) cards. You get 500 U.S. $ of fake money and with this money you play. I was done sooner than my father and I went and hung around in the casino. When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too. This was according to me until 21.30 to 22.00 hours. I went to walk around in the casino and after that went to the "Blackjack" table to play blackjack. While I was sitting at the table the girl "Natalee" that is missing now to the blackjack table together with her friends. When the English speaking girls came to the blackjack table they introduced themselves. I do not remember the names of the girls anymore but they were from the same group of students that Natalee belonged to. According to me the friends of Natalee played blackjack but Natalee didn't. A girl that was sitting at my left side on the table asked me in English if I could help her play blackjack because she had lost U.S. $ 360,= of her father's money. The girl bet U.S. $ 20,= in the game and I helped her win U.S. $ 100,= with it. After the girl had won U.S. $ 100,= I advised her to call it quits but she wanted to continue. I told her again that she should stop and her friends also said that she should stop. Probably the girl after that went to cash in her chips for money. The girlfriends of the girl asked me if I was going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. I told them that I couldn't do that because I had school tomorrow. The girls kept insisting that I should meet them at "Carlos & Charlies" because it was their last night on Aruba. After they kept insisting I agreed to meet with at "Carlos & Charlies".

From Jaime's June 17, 2005 statement:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=197.0

On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number "xxxxxxx". Sometimes Joran calls me on the mobile phone of my sister, her name is "Maria del Pilar CARRASQUIXIA CACERES". Her calling name is "Pilar". The mobile phone number of Pilar is "xxxxxxx". The mobile phone number of Joran is "xxxxxxx". Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there. According to me I had said to Joran that I would let him know later that day whether or not I would go out with him that night. I had also said to Joran that I had to work the next day. According to me I was phoned later that day by Joran again but I hadn't answered my mobile phone. Because it is the vacation now I temporarily work in "Caribbean Overseas". I work in the big Poolkasten. On May 29th 2005 I stayed home and slept. I went to bed at approximately 22.00 hours.



So Joran claims he was asked to go to CnC by the MB kids sometime after 22:00.  Jaimie claims Joran called him between 16:00 and 19:00 and told him about the American girls and CnC.

Which is it?

What it is is part of a pimps plans to go to C&C's long before any MB kids"begged"him to go.IMO Natalee was targeted.

In other words, they were not invited by anyone.
Exactly.....just part of thier pimpy plans,the way the game is played.Send Joran out to pick the victim,target,follow victim around then they cart the victim off to Joran's pad where the rest of the pimpy gang is waiting including Freddy who videos the game in action.
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« Reply #658 on: August 29, 2007, 07:47:12 PM »

If Satish wasn't there, and it was Freddy instead, I would think the object would be to protect Freddy.

Later, I can hypothesize that Deepak would be protective of Satish, because it would be easy to trip him up.

Why would Deepak go along with Joran on keeping Freddy totally out? Perhaps Freddy threatened to tell what Joran did to Natalee if he became involved, and Deepak went along because Deepak was also involved?

Well. to put Freddie with Joran that night you would need to leave out a Kalpoe.  Who says it has to be Satish?  Maybe Satish used Deepak's car????

Just playing around with this whole concept of Freddie versus one of the Kalpose....will have to give it some more thought.
Could have been both Freddy and Satish at C&C's.Joran targeted Natalee,Satish was with Deepak and Joran in the beginning of their night,Freddy just shows up at C&C's possible with a few other pimps.Satish could have been dropped off at home before their pimp game began and Freddy(and possible a few other pimps)had their sick fun with Natalee.Dropping Satish off at home before their sick games began could also be a way for Deepak to protect his brother.

Because freddy knows what paulus did.  jvds had to pass because she was a Virgin.
I don't know if Natalee was a virgin or not,doesn't matter but IMO I think they had no choice in hiding her.....Paulus's DNA was on her and Anita is blind as a nasty bat.
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« Reply #659 on: August 29, 2007, 07:55:10 PM »

From Deepak's June 9th statement:

According to me Joran said to her that we were at the hotel. She got out. I had not seen this. I heard something fall. I heard Joran say in Papiamentu shit she has fallen down. Joran exited through the same car door as where she had fallen down to help her up. That was the right back door. I had seen the girl on the ground. I saw Joran help her. I saw that the girl turned around and pushed Joran into the car. I heard that she said something to Joran. I was unable to hear what she had said to Joran. The car radio had been turned down somewhat, the volume was maybe at the nine level or something like that. Joran looked surprised. She walked away from Joran. What I saw is that she was walking towards the lobby. I did not see her enter the lobby. I saw that she leaned against a pillar with one hand. Joran had gotten back into the car and was sitting behind Satish. In the lobby I saw a man walking up to the girl. I saw that he had a radio in his left hand. I assumed that he was talking into the radio because he held it closely in front of his mouth. It was a dark coloured man. He was fairly tall. He wore a black T-shirt and black pants.

Deepak in drivers seat,Satish in front passenger seat,Joran behind Satish on right of car,Natalee supposedly behind Deepak in left of car....did Natalee climb over big ole doofus Joran to exit from the right side of the car?
Also....for all of those from aol message boards who said Deepak did not ID a dark skinned man....he did.
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