Natalee Case Discussion #680 8/31 - 9/16/2007

[klaasend]

Klass, you make an excellent point about how the boat could have been loaded...very simply..."simple" is usually the best way, too.

Like the Gottenbos boat for instance:   

[Atlmetroguy]

Hello Late night Monkeys...metro doing a fly by...

[IBE]

Handsome Metroguy,

How are you feeling??? It was 2 wks I heard about your heart challenge for I have a hard time finding anyone on the threads... since we have so many now.

Are you still off work or having to do anything different?? Please keep well now...

Metroguy... if you know a person's address and this person made a cell phone from there to about 65 miles away, how wise is the circle in the cell towers from where a call comes from...A suspect in the Donna Jou missing person case make a cell phone call that came from a tower that to be, but not proved and very helpful, in Santa Monica... I am trying the the Jou family to figure out where the towers are at.

I want to see if he had it really close to his home for I have posted in the Donna Jou thread areas of interest IMO that he could have hid a body... in LA and Culver City

do not want this to happen to Donna tha happened to Natalee.

He dad requested TES to come in and LAPD said not.

Please read it and see if the whole that makes you want to follow this while waiting for the ships in Aruba.

I always read all your posts and you are our tech man, our all seasons man and one of our handsome me.

Now I hear ROBOTS has broken ribs... have to go find what thread is is active in and say hello.

Tomorrow I am trying healthwise to get to the court where the supposedly suspect will be, after posting cash for his bail... wonder if he will show up???

Anyway the Donna Jou family will be there for a rally of support for Justice for Donna Jou.

Will update you all tomorrow.

AS ever, IBE

[IBE]

Oh wanted to tell you all

The more I read about the Donna Jou challenge, the more little and little I have thesee "ahahs" based on what we have learned in the Natalee Holloway case...like egos of LE, ole boys networks, prides, lack of gumption, not wanting outside people'''' TES"""   maybe getting too jaded that so many go missing that we are spread then or a so what attitude

I don't wish any of us to ever leave Natalee, but while we are waiting for more news/actions/Dutch, Beth's book, and the ships, I think you feel good about helping over on the Donna Jou tread... using the knowledge you have learned the 2 years here. how to contract "play" the media to get you goal done' , how to do what you wished you could have done if we had been on the island of Aruba with the type of police, press, media pressure, sharp residents, a Country where value of young people, and women are looked at differently even with men and human rights.

Donna Jou is starting to get the short end... no one,,, repeat no on is out making a dedicated, focused search like TES can do.

I personally have a feeling we can make a difference on this one when we couldn't as much, then with Natalee... for we hadn't learned all the things to  help Natalee ..that could have been done early on.

What we did do from a certain point on has been terrific and helpful to get her Justice (and she will have it soon)

But think what we can do now for Donna Jou based on what we have learned and how far we have come.

I sure am a much better person and have a much better Soul, Spirit for being her with our Good Monkey family. Right on! Let's from for Natalee, Donna and some others the Monkeys have posted about.

Tomorrow I hope to be with the family at the Court house rally and vigil.

Hope I can get some sleep.

Love, IBE

[greeneyedlady]

Klaas,

Have you checked to see if there's been an update on this? TIA



Proceedings Held

08/30/2007 at 08:30 am in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Motion to Dismiss - Submitted

Case Number: BC363201

DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending
 
Future Hearings
None
 

[msmarple]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   09/04/2007

Amigoe.com has a story about the man whose body was found in the water. Body boarding with his son in those hurricane-churned waters?

Missing man drowned

Rescue workers searching for the missing Gregory van der Biezen.

ORANJESTAD – The 35-year old man that was missing since Sunday {9/2/2007} after he went body boarding with his son near Boca Grandi has drowned.  The body of Gregory van der Biezen was found on the beach near Grapefield yesterday morning.

After hurricane Felix passed over Aruba on Sunday, the sea was still pretty rough in the afternoon.  Due to the heavy undertow, the swimmers got in trouble right from the beginning and decided to go back home.  But Gregory van der Biezen didn’t manage to get back on the beach and disappeared in the water.  The authorities were notified and the police and Warda nos Costa searched for the man.  Also a helicopter was mobilized.  But they had to quit the search, because it got too dark.  The search action was resumed the next day and the police found the body of the man in the water.  Gregory van der Biezen was a nurse on the medium care-department of the Horacio Oduber Hospital.

[klaasend]

Klaas,

Have you checked to see if there's been an update on this? TIA



Proceedings Held

08/30/2007 at 08:30 am in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Motion to Dismiss - Submitted

Case Number: BC363201

DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending
 
Future Hearings
None
 

Nothing new filed.  Only the document of the minutes that was posted the other day.  It appears to items were heard.  A motion to dismiss and the motion to compell.  We don'tknow for sure yet if it was the motion to dismiss Skeeters from the suit or the entire suit.

[truthseeker2]

Klaas or Dugga,

It seems that some of the old FP links no longer work.  Any idea on when they will be available again.  I'm looking specifically for this one but there are others missing as well:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1193

TIA

[klaasend]

Klaas or Dugga,

It seems that some of the old FP links no longer work.  Any idea on when they will be available again.  I'm looking specifically for this one but there are others missing as well:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1193

TIA

TS - I just noticed that late last night myself - thanks for the reminder, I'll send this to Dugga so he can find out why.

[truthseeker2]

Thanks, Klaas.  Also, I left something for you in the Shango thread.  If I could check this out myself I would, but I can't access all that you can.  Can you let me know about that question as well?

TIA again.

[shadow]

Morning Monkeys . . . Does anyone know which aruba bay video shows the container barge/dock?? TIA!

[klaasend]

Morning Monkeys . . . Does anyone know which aruba bay video shows the container barge/dock?? TIA!

Shadow, I don't remember the container barge/dock but I could be forgetting.  I remember the refinery and KIA.  Here is the link to the "index of images" from the aru-bay site.  Might be faster if you look through the .jpg and see if you can figure it out that way.  Again, I don't remember the container barge/dock but I could be wrong:

http://www.aru-bay.com/images/

[shadow]

Morning Monkeys . . . Does anyone know which aruba bay video shows the container barge/dock?? TIA!

Shadow, I don't remember the container barge/dock but I could be forgetting.  I remember the refinery and KIA.  Here is the link to the "index of images" from the aru-bay site.  Might be faster if you look through the .jpg and see if you can figure it out that way.  Again, I don't remember the container barge/dock but I could be wrong:

http://www.aru-bay.com/images/

Thank you Klass! I remember seeing some kind of container thingy in one of the videos . . . just wanted to revisit it.

[Tamikosmom]

O/T

MADELEINE MCCANN: 'BLOOD ON THE WALLS'

Madeleine McCann's blood has been found on the walls of the holiday flat where she slept, according to fresh reports in Portugal.

Police say attempts were made to clean it off, making it likely that the four-year-old was killed, either by accident or design, in the holiday complex in Praia da Luz .....

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?storyID=8102

[Anna]

So why didn't they do this the first day Madeleine disappeared?

This investigation, like Natalee's was done backwards!

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Klaas,

Do you think the Gottenbos boat large enough to carry a crab or rather I guess it is a fish trap and several thugs at the same time?  I am thinking it would take a minimum of two to lift a weighted trap, right?  Maybe three...

From looking at it from the end instead of the side, it is hard to tell how large it is.  For me, anyway.

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[klaasend]

So why didn't they do this the first day Madeleine disappeared?

This investigation, like Natalee's was done backwards!

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Klaas,

Do you think the Gottenbos boat large enough to carry a crab or rather I guess it is a fish trap and several thugs at the same time?  I am thinking it would take a minimum of two to lift a weighted trap, right?  Maybe three...

From looking at it from the end instead of the side, it is hard to tell how large it is.  For me, anyway.

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Some of the crab/fish traps fold up so yes I do.  Also, a trap could also be towed behind the boat instead of being inside.

Yes, it's hard to tell exactly how much room there is inside that Sea Pro.

[Anna]

But a trap wouldn't fold up with a body inside it.  Towing it along side and just cutting the rope would be the most efficient way I guess but also it might be seen.  A body in a black tarp or body bag wouldn't be very obvious, however, unless one was really close.  They could just maneuver the boat not to go close to anybody.

Could tow and just cut the rope at the designated place.

[Tamikosmom]

O/T

Phone intercepts ‘confirm Maddy’s death’

Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today. The intercepts are said to have been made in a joint operation conducted by Portuguese and British police officers....

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8144
 
 
 
 

[klaasend]

O/T

Phone intercepts ‘confirm Maddy’s death’

Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today. The intercepts are said to have been made in a joint operation conducted by Portuguese and British police officers....

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8144


 
 
 
 

Janet - that's another report from earlier this month.  I suspect The First Post is something like the National Enquirer.  What they are reporting may or may not be BS.

[Anna]

O/T

Phone intercepts ‘confirm Maddy’s death’

Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today. The intercepts are said to have been made in a joint operation conducted by Portuguese and British police officers....

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8144
 
 
 
 

Quote:

Police have known "for a month" that Madeleine had died in the apartment, it is widely reported.

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This is not looking good for these parents.