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« Reply #640 on: September 12, 2007, 09:19:45 PM »

Great news about Dr Phil maybe we might be getting somewhere finally

Oh yeahhhh, I was trying to thank Anna for bringing it to us, and choose the appropriate emoticon, but my plans didn't work out. Confused Thanks Anna and woohoooooo.
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« Reply #641 on: September 12, 2007, 09:27:51 PM »

Great news about Dr Phil maybe we might be getting somewhere finally

Oh yeahhhh, I was trying to thank Anna for bringing it to us, and choose the appropriate emoticon, but my plans didn't work out. Confused Thanks Anna and woohoooooo.
   


Kudos to Anna will pray we finally get spmething good out of this case.thanks Anna.
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« Reply #642 on: September 12, 2007, 09:41:22 PM »

Thanks very much Klaas. I believe that is the photo I wanted to check out again. Great news re: Dr. Phil having access to files. chaulk one up for the monkeys as well !! This is positive news finally IMO. thanks again
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« Reply #643 on: September 12, 2007, 09:49:13 PM »

A Synopsis from Aug/Sept 2005-I only copied part of it(Very Long) as I thought it was interesting reading and nothing more. It is on a private news group so I cant provide the link. I have seen this posted on other blogs in the past.


When Natalee came out of Carlos & Charliefs again, she was reportedly
escorted by Deepak Kalpoe who was reportedly holding her elbow,
apparently assisting or steadying a reportedly tipsy Natalee. One of
the few MBHS students that was still in front of Carlos & Charliefs
reportedly asked Natalee if she was gokay.h She reportedly responded
that she was alright. And she and Deepak reportedly continued on to
his car where she joined Joran in the rear seat.

At the center of the ginvestigationh on Aruba is privileged Dutch
self-described gloverboyh Joran van der Sloot whose influential Dutch
pappa Paulus van der Sloot aspired to become a judge in the courts of
the Kingdom of the Netherlands. 17-year-old Joran is seen in photos
and on videotape illegally drinking and gambling, sometimes in the
company of pappa Paulus. Since that alone is a violation of Aruba
law, Joran van der Sloot is a criminal, and his pappa Paulus van der
Sloot is an accessory, aiding and abetting his dependent juvenile
sonfs criminal activity.

His gfriendsh describe drinking, drugs and sex as gpartyh activities.
Joran and gfriendsh are reportedly members of a ggangh known as gThe
Pimps,h and they have bragged via e-mail and on websites posted on
the worldwide web about alcohol, other drugs, wild parties and
sexual ggang-bangs,h some allegedly with girls as young as 13 or 14
years of age.

 And did Deepak make a brief stop at Mambo Jambo the early Monday
morning Natalee gdisappeared?h If so, why? (this did not happen)

Who was the man with whom Natalee is reported to have had a meal, if
any?

Chief among them is this. Why are Arubans, especially Dutch citizens,
so upset and even angry because a little heartbroken American woman
is simply trying to find her missing daughter? Why havenft all
Arubans seriously tried to help her? And I donft mean that one token
day off they took to conduct a light surface search and destroy
evidence in the process unwittingly.

Some people on Aruba have information that would be helpful in the
search for Natalee Holloway while others know exactly what happened
to her. Why are they not coming forward? Do they not care about one
small blonde teenage American girl? Do they not care about crime on
their tiny island? Or are they personally involved in the corruption?

How many other girls have been drugged and sexually assaulted by
Joran van der Sloot and his friends over the last couple of years?
Some young ladies who personally experienced gLoverboyh Joranfs
method of operation are beginning to come forward. More need to tell
Aruba authorities what happened to them.

Do you young ladies know that Joran has bragged about his conquests
to his friends and acquaintances? Donft you think that it is time you
helped stop this 6Œ5 criminal predator before more girls are
victimized by Joran and his friends?

Many influential Dutch citizens are members of the Aruba Lions Club
at http://www.arubalions.org/Member%20Area/memberroster2004-200 5.htm
while some of the younger well-known names are members of Air Aruba
Virtual Airlines at http://www.arubaaviation.com/fqpilots.html . Are
some of the membersf interests and goals different from the stated
purposes of those two organizations? Many of those names have come up
during the current investigation.

Arubafs now retired top Polis official Jan van der Straten failed to
do his job early on, saying, gHow can I do that to my best friends
son?h He is Joranfs Godfather, and has returned to Holland. Jan van
der Straten very obviously deliberately undermined, diverted and
obstructed the Natalee Holloway gdisappearanceh investigation. Why
hasnft he been held accountable for his actions or inactions?

Are Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, believed to be a good man by many
on and off Aruba, and Justice Minister H. Rudy Croes, respected by
many on Aruba, actually involved with the corruption on Aruba and
participating in the big cover-up? Are Oduber and/or Croes gin bedh
with gmobsters?h Are Nelson and/or Rudy heavily involved with drugs,
the sex trade and human trafficking? That has been alleged by some.
(See ARUBA CRIME ARUBA PROBLEM at
http://www.blogs.net/page/Dan_Hanchey )

How about Karin Jannsen, the Dutch prosecutor who is Arubafs attorney
general? Is she really intent on charging and convicting the guilty
in this case? Or is she, too, part of the big diversion and cover-up?

And what about the Dutch judiciary? A Dutch judge is brought over to
Aruba from Curacao, and he promptly releases Dutch judge-hopeful
Paulus who once worked with the judiciary on Curacao and gTattooh
deejay Steve Croes who is from Curacao. Does anyone else find that
questionable?

Carlos & Charliefs website at http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com was
quickly pulled down, cleaned-up, and completely re-done immediately
after the Natalee Holloway gdisappearanceh case became an intensive
and thorough investigation and attracted international interest.

Some of the people at Carlos & Charliefs are reportedly involved
with grecruitingh girls for wild sex parties, involving known well-
connected and wealthy gmobsters.h One of those gmobstersh and his
associates reportedly own hotels on Aruba, Curacao, elsewhere in the
Caribbean and in other areas. There are rumors of wild orgies and
taping of porn films, including gsnuffh films, in a special room at
the Holiday Inn on Aruba, as well at other locations.

Was one of the Holiday Inn rooms stripped of its carpet and re-done
the day Natalee Holloway gdisappeared?h If so, why? Could the bloody
mattress that was found at the dump have come from that room? If so,
why was there blood on it, whose, and why didnft the Aruba Polis have
a sample of that blood analyzed?

Where is the manager of the Holiday Inn that reportedly gvanishedhc
and, if true, why has he apparently left Aruba?

We know the General Manager of the Marriott Hotel has reportedly just
been gpromotedh to a position in Mexico City, Mexico. Is the timing
just coincidental to the gdisappearanceh of Natalee, or is there some
other reason hefs gone from Aruba?

The internet contact at Carlos & Charliefs is Garrick Lacle who is
also in charge of gAdvertisement.h Is he related to Contributing
Editor Tito Lacle of Aruba Today newspaper which features sex ads?

Why does Aruba Today Editor-In-Chief Julia C. Renfro allow the porn
in her publication, and why is Julia so quick to defend Aruba and
apparently so ready to criticize the USA and Americans? I understand
she went to Aruba from the USA more than a decade ago. Why, and at
whose invitation? Was she running away from something or to a new
lifestyle and/or lucrative career opportunity?

For the recordcRuben Trapenberg, the Dutch government spokesman on
Aruba, has flat-out lied during the course of this ginvestigation.h
The primary example is when he said that the FBI has been fully
involved gsince day one.h That is absolutely untrue. And the FBI is
still not being allowed to fully participate. I think that Ruben has
no real credibility whatsoever.

Why do some witnesses seem to suddenly change their stories after
talking with or being talked to by people from Aruba Today?

Is glover boyh Joran a member of a ggangh called gThe Pimps?h If so,
who else is in that group? And are the stories about Joran and others
putting drugs in girls drinks in order to have sex with them and/or
to manipulate them into participating in a ggang-bangh true? Joran
has reportedly bragged about his drugging and gscoringh to his peers.

And what about reputed drug dealer Lorenzo van Rijn? What role, if
any, did he play in this tragedy?

What about Michael Posner at the Excelsior Casino? The Posner Group
reportedly owns hotels and casinos on Aruba, Curacao and throughout
the Caribbean. Is Arubafs Michael Posner the same Michael Posner that
is an Associate of the Chicago gOutfit?h Is he still on parole, and
is he still doing gbusiness as usual?h

Do Posners still own businesses in Miami, Florida? If so, is that why
Paulus van der Sloot, soon to be without judge-in-training income,
recently visited Miami?

Or was Paulusf Miami visit in direct relation to the gdisappearanceh
of Natalee Holloway and his currently imprisoned primary gsuspecth
son Joran? Did Paulus schedule a Miami meeting to arrange financing
for son Joranfs defense? Or was Paulus possibly summoned to Miami to
discuss a quick resolution to this case? Some special interests would
like the FBI, other investigators and the media gone from Aruba, so
business as usual can get back to normal again.

If money was indeed twice withdrawn from Paulusf ATM account, it
could have been to pay someone to help care for Natalee, to transport
her or to bury or dispose of her body.

The muddy pond bottom must be probed several feet deep, well below
the surface, to discover any body, Joranfs shoe and/or any other
evidence.

But the draining of the pond behind the Racquet Club has been stopped
by Aruba Polis, according to police spokesman Edwin Comenencia,
ending that search before the pond was emptied. An adequate search
was not performed. Any evidence buried there would not have been
uncovered by their shallow probing.

Incidentally, the pond behind the Aruba Racquet Club that was
partially drained is not the only pond in that area.

Someone whom I greatly appreciate (but may prefer not to be known)
has pointed out to me that there is a house for rent across the dirt
road from the Racquet Club. Who owns that house, and could Joran and
friends enter that vacant home?

Does Joran have a key or keys to the Racquet Club where he is a
member and which he frequents often?Someone on Aruba has told me that the van der Sloots reportedly own
other property in addition to their home, listed as Vacation Rentals,
and they say that the van der Sloot home may also be available for
rent or sale sometime soon

Arthur E. Wood is reportedly the one who found the Aruba Landfill
witness who says he notified Aruba Polis about what he saw two days
after Nataleefs gdisappearanceh seems to be very credible. If former
Secret Service agent Wood believes him, so do I.

It was reported that the Landfill witness took a glie detector test.h
I am told by T. J. Ward that the witness did not take a polygraph
exam, but was subjected to a Layered Voice Analysis. While the
witness continues to stick to his story, repeating it over and over
again and not wavering, T. J. tells me there are some questions about
some of the specific details and possible problems with parts of his
testimony, so T. J. and company are continuing to investigate the
Landfill witness story.

According to Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch, gHe (the witness) goes
to the Landfill for slavageable things. He apparently saw a vehicle,
three people, a Jeep parked off someplace in the distance watching.
Actually saw a machine come in, and he claims he actually saw the
hair and breast and chest of a girl being buried there on Wednesday
at 4:30 PM after Natalee Holloway was missing.h Please note that was
Wednesday, June 1, 2005, two days after Natalee gdisappeared,h and
Aruba Polis did not act on his statement, a story that he has not
changed as he has re-told it over and over again. Aruba Polisf walk-
around occurred after the area had been covered by more piles of
garbage.

Ifve seen a white pickup truck and a red Suzuki Jeep-type vehicle
with a white top on the van der Sloot property along with the white
Mitsubishi SUV and a grey sedan. I have seen Dutch pappa Paulus
driving the Suzuki, and I hear Joran sometimes illegally drives the
pickup.

The Aruba Environmental Landfill is an International School of Aruba
Environmental Class trip and project. Joran should be very familiar
with the Aruba Landfill, its procedures and equipment. The students
learn all about the Landfill, and how they layer and cover the
refuse. And tractors are kept on-site, including one with a backhoe.

During one of those weekend breaks in their efforts, the searchers
hard work was undone by the operators of the Landfill who reportedly
refused to stop when asked, stating that Aruba Polis couldnft stop
them, not that they would want to since the Aruba Polis have
certainly not seriously helped search that dump. The Landfill
operators reportedly emphatically stated that they work for the Dutch
government. And the Landfill workers continued to bulldoze over and
fill the holes dug earlier, sabotaging the efforts of searches to
find any body or anything incriminating in that Landfill.

I believe that there must surely be damning evidence against someone
who is very well connected in that Aruba Environmental Landfill. The
serious attempts to obstruct, undermine, sabotage, stop and not allow
any complete and thorough Landfill search indicates that some very
powerful people on Aruba are very concerned about what will be found
there.

Is that why the Dutch government on Aruba isnft actively helping or
at least fully cooperating in the search of the Landfill?

Every time someone mentions a pickup truck I think of the dead man
and the pickup reportedly found at the cemetary, possibly near an
incinerator or crematorium. I just canft recall the exact reported
details. Nor can I remember when that reportedly occurred. I do not
believe the Aruba Polis explanation about the manfs wife killing him
in their home,carrying the body out of the house, loading it into the
truck, and then dumping it where it was discovered. Whoever did that
needed a ride away from the scene. When did that happen, who really
did it, and why?

The search of the drained pond behind the Aruba Racquet Club has been
stopped by Aruba Polis before anyone could dig down several feet deep
in the pond bottom and find anything, but the one at the Aruba
Environmental Landfill has continued sporadicallycunder the watchful
eye of the Aruba Polis.

Joran van der Sloot is a proven liar. Anyone who will lie about one
thing will likely lie about another. And one who willfully and often
violates one, two, three, or more laws, suffering no reprimand or
penalty, will not likely hesitate to violate more laws, no matter how
serious the crime.

And Dutch pappa Paulus van der Sloot, the failed judge, is apparently
guilty of much more than lying and/or formulating a lie. His past is
riddled with rumors of corruption, and some of his gassociatesh
and gfriendsh are of questionable character and reputation.

While these facts do not guarantee that Joran and Paulus van der
Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are guilty of rape, kidnapping
and/or murder, it very definitely indicates that they are indeed
capable of committing such a crime with a reasonable expectation of
getting away with it.

We attentive Americans and concerned citizens of the world seek
justice for Natalee Holloway, and we will settle for nothing less
than a satisfactory conclusion to this gdisappearanceh case.

Aruba, Netherlands Antilles, and Netherlandscwe are watching. Get it
right.
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« Reply #644 on: September 12, 2007, 09:52:59 PM »


*******, i remember the guy outside the landfill as being skinnier and older than this guy.  i think he had a moustache but i'm not sure.  i'm still on the lookout for that greta clip but about given up hope there.
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Hey Buddy!! I was thinking of you when I found the Greta Link earlier today for the video..Unfortunately it was taken down. I think your right about that guy in the car as being older..I would love to get a screen shot of that guy!! I have a feeling this guy in the pic is one of the Attorneys like Rudy Ooman or someone like that.
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« Reply #645 on: September 12, 2007, 10:05:41 PM »


anna, i know i haven't seen it before.  thanks for bringing it over.  klaasend, thanks for the cave pics.  sure doesn't look like a party spot to me.  you'd have to be half mountain goat to get in and out of it.
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dennisintn -- there's a little story behind the pic.

klass noticed a while back that the photo received over 20,000 hits in her photobucket album.

So she shared the pic with us on the board.

I remembered it, since it apparently caught the attention of so many -- and iirc, it was even more zoomed out in the original pic.

20,000 or more hits, iirc. That psychic post just made me think of that picture.

klaas help (if you already haven't) -- I think the pic was posted somewhere as a result of some searches??
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« Reply #646 on: September 12, 2007, 10:33:58 PM »

I ran across this recent pic of Young Frankenstein..Is it me or does it appear this kid is looking worse and worse? He just doesnt look like the young healthy sporter anymore does he? Something from the past eating away at him?

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anna, i know i haven't seen it before.  thanks for bringing it over.  klaasend, thanks for the cave pics.  sure doesn't look like a party spot to me.  you'd have to be half mountain goat to get in and out of it.
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dennisintn -- there's a little story behind the pic.

klass noticed a while back that the photo received over 20,000 hits in her photobucket album.

So she shared the pic with us on the board.

I remembered it, since it apparently caught the attention of so many -- and iirc, it was even more zoomed out in the original pic.

20,000 or more hits, iirc. That psychic post just made me think of that picture.

klaas help (if you already haven't) -- I think the pic was posted somewhere as a result of some searches??

I posted it either on the previous page or a couple pages back.

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« Reply #648 on: September 12, 2007, 10:50:46 PM »

I ran across this recent pic of Young Frankenstein..Is it me or does it appear this kid is looking worse and worse? He just doesnt look like the young healthy sporter anymore does he? Something from the past eating away at him?



When was this photo taken, do you know?
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« Reply #649 on: September 12, 2007, 10:54:15 PM »

I ran across this recent pic of Young Frankenstein..Is it me or does it appear this kid is looking worse and worse? He just doesnt look like the young healthy sporter anymore does he? Something from the past eating away at him?



When was this photo taken, do you know?


why do the words "mean spirited caricature" come to mind every time i see any picture of the sporter?
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« Reply #650 on: September 12, 2007, 11:02:37 PM »

I ran across this recent pic of Young Frankenstein..Is it me or does it appear this kid is looking worse and worse? He just doesnt look like the young healthy sporter anymore does he? Something from the past eating away at him?



When was this photo taken, do you know?

Klaas I think this picture was taken for a magazine article he did a few months ago.
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« Reply #651 on: September 12, 2007, 11:03:28 PM »

I ran across this recent pic of Young Frankenstein..Is it me or does it appear this kid is looking worse and worse? He just doesnt look like the young healthy sporter anymore does he? Something from the past eating away at him?

When was this photo taken, do you know?


why do the words "mean spirited caricature" come to mind every time i see any picture of the sporter?
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It was from a dutch website where he gave a interview..It was at the very end of his book tour or just after it. I didnt copy the link because it was all in dutch. I will see if I can find it..

San is right..It was probably 2 months ago or so..
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« Reply #652 on: September 12, 2007, 11:18:01 PM »

*******, that statement from prosecutors office in your post above...upsets me. They don't have to justify (or explain) their actions to anyone, and there lies the core of the problem.



It upsets me as well shell..Your right that is the core of the problem. The Minister of Injustice is up to his eyeballs in corruption and coverups.
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« Reply #653 on: September 12, 2007, 11:33:25 PM »

Wait a sec here.  The statement from the prosecutor's office  in the MSN ad says "with regards to the persecution of criminal acts"...  Shouldn't it be prosecution of criminal acts?

persection: a program or campaign to exterminate, drive away, or subjugate a people because of their religion, race, or beliefs: the persecutions of Christians by the Romans.

prosecution: the institution and carrying on of legal proceedings against a person.

Is it a Freudian Slip?! The prosecutors office has certainly attempted to persecute the Holloway-Twitty's, when in fact they should have been prosecuting Joran, th 2k's and Paulus..

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« Reply #654 on: September 12, 2007, 11:35:13 PM »

I meant persecution (correct spelling)
persection: a program or campaign to exterminate, drive away, or subjugate a people because of their religion, race, or beliefs: the persecutions of Christians by the Romans.
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Good observation Muffy Wink
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« Reply #656 on: September 12, 2007, 11:44:16 PM »

I meant persecution (correct spelling)
persection: a program or campaign to exterminate, drive away, or subjugate a people because of their religion, race, or beliefs: the persecutions of Christians by the Romans.


aruba's actions have definitely been a persecution of the christians by the hedonistic heathens.
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« Reply #657 on: September 12, 2007, 11:48:55 PM »

*******, that statement from prosecutors office in your post above...upsets me. They don't have to justify (or explain) their actions to anyone, and there lies the core of the problem.



It upsets me as well shell..Your right that is the core of the problem. The Minister of Injustice is up to his eyeballs in corruption and coverups.


I thought I was the only one who found that comment asinine.   No one answers to anybody on that island.

If they don't want to do something they just say it isn't allowed under Dutch law/Aruban policy/Paulus won't let us.

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« Reply #658 on: September 13, 2007, 12:29:08 AM »

Quote from: Anna on September 12, 2007, 05:26:30 PM
Sep 12, 2007 10:57 am US/Pacific

Judge Gives Dr. Phil, CBS Access To Holloway Files
(CBS) LOS ANGELES Lawyers for CBS Television and "Dr. Phil" McGraw can have access to e-mails and Aruban documents about two brothers arrested, then released, in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to a ruling obtained Wednesday.

http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_255140039.html
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I just want to make sure everyone see's this is great news!! If the Kalpoes want there 800 million then they will have to produce what is asked for Razz

I get the feeling in the Aruban Newspapers tommorow we wont be seeing a huge grin from David Kock's face..LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Im on my pc so I had to use a trial software to convert the PDF..I just wanted to show you how confident Deepak's Attorney was in June Smile

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« Reply #659 on: September 13, 2007, 12:29:20 AM »

I hate to be the "wet blanket" here, but the only positive thing that came out of the judge's ruling is that K2 will simply withdraw the suit against Dr. Phil. There will be NO addtional info handed over.
On the good side -- justice IS coming from the the KLPD/FBI cooperation. (Just don't expect anything until at least next year  Sad)
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