Natalee Case Discussion #681 9/16 - 9/24/2007

[klaasend]

Well, I'm glad you slept so well.

How are you holding up?

Holding up?  Fine, and you?

[Patti]

I'm okay.

This has been a real trial for us.

One day, I'll drop you a note and

let you know some of the things that

have happened during this peiod of time.

I'm sure it's nothing compared to the battle
that Natalee's family has gone through.

You know this is our ace.

When all the cards are played,

it is possible that Aruba will be

found guilty ot human rights violations.

Maybe we can play a part in bringing the
enemies of Natalee and her family down.

I'm sure that this is the same way the
boy that went missing died, as well.

To tell you the truth, I'm exhausted.

I think I'll rest for a while.

[klaasend]

Posted at Scrux:

Jonathan45

Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 93

 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject:   

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Sex without a condom

In his book Joran wrote a lot of phrases about his sexual encounter with Natalee from the moment they stepped into Deepak's car after being in C&C's and in a still open bar to have a drink. It was an almost blind date with Natalee he made earlier on Sunday evening in the casino.
Joran never denied that he wanted to have sex with her. That's why Joran sneaked out of the house. To become a young innocent 'beachbum' without a condom. A condom was indeed needed when one of his two local girlfriends at the time could be sexualy aroused.
At 3.11am Joran sent Flor a sweet textmessage, a reply to a sms message from Flor [page 88] when they stopped near the VDSresidence at approximatly 1.30-140am.
About Natalee's fysical condition in Deepak's car he wrote that it looked if she felt asleep now and then during the kissing etc.
On page 89/90 [see my last posting] he described the sexual beach-encounter and stated that Natalee was drunk and he helped her walking till the FH where they, without any referring in his book to her earlier state of being drunk. were sexual very active wether he had condoms or not.
No penetration but as he told Deepak at 2.26am it was with no condom a full blown sexual encounter.
Then he had to go home[ examtest] and Natalee was unwilling/ incapable and probably in the aftermath of an orgasm if Joran was the lovable gentlemanlike youngling he and his parents claimed he was till the crucial moment he left her on the beach behind in a vanishing state.
Joran on page 91: " I not even really said goodbye or told her that I called someone to pick me up."
"I got in the car without telling Natalee that I was leaving and we drove off.
Then he realized he forgot his shoes. I told Satish what has happened on the beach" Followed by: "Tomorrow after school I go to the raquetclub, then I will look for my shoes"Joran said to Satish.
And indeed the next day [page 97] Joran walked through the Salinja to the beach and further to the Wyndham. He does not refer to his lost shoes in those phrases. In the casino Joran is talking and laughing a lot as usual as normal as Joran the secret pokerplayer. Again after sneaking out of the house till his dad called him when Beth Twitty arrived at the gate of the VDSresidence.

Natalee never reached the beach the night she vanished.
She became after the disposal a fictional acting appearance in Joran's lying truth 'mindf***ing' story.

If Joran really did what he denied [no condom]......

If Natalee resisted, wanted to charge him after Joran in Dutch slang used his "blanke sabel" .......

Was it a fatal sexual encounter , was it a blind date rape ?
Yes it was.
 

[friend of monkeys]

Well, I'm glad you slept so well.

How are you holding up?

Holding up?  Fine, and you?

time for someones meds???

hey KLASS!

[Patti]

Klaas:

Theres an important post...

Thanks.

[Rob]

Bamboo the Aruban Choller is back... LMAO!!!

watch this one while you can...

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

[the big hammer]

J45 & The Window of Opportunity

I read it differently.  This poster has demonstrated that the goon has a gap in his alibi and tale (the beachstory) whereby it was certainly possible for him -- acting alone -- to commit a murder and temporarily hide a lifeless body. 

The focus is the murder crime, not the accomplice, not the conspiracy, not the kidnapping abduction, and as such is far less an exoneration of K2, than a condemnation of jvds.

I actually believe the window for hiding was the 3:30 downloads of 2 porn movies (what else?).  The movies play, until they are done.  But no one needs to be there watching them, while they play.

The most recent line of thinking "sex without a condom" demonstrates the inherent fallacy of another part of the jvds lie construction: the original intent was sex, so how could there be no condom...let alone why the condomless joran might let this stand in his way.

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[klaasend]

Klaas:

Theres an important post...

Thanks.

Patti - please email me about your last post

[Patti]

Klaas:

Also can you fix post #74 -

take out the second address to Disgusted Mom?

Please....

Thank you.

[igsigs]

Still no response from the Kalpoe's? 

13 days left...

[klaasend]

Bamboo the Aruban Choller is back... LMAO!!!

watch this one while you can...

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

I copied it, lol

[msmarple]

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/9/19/

CRISTOFFER LAURANCE 24 AÑA TA SER BUSCA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Famia di Cristoffer Laurance ta buscando su paradero. Cristoffer Laurance naci na Hulanda 28-08-1983 ta yiu di mayornan Arubiano.

Cristoffer Laurance ya caba pa un siman no a ser mira mas pa su mayornan. Pesey mes nan a notifica polis caba y te hasta a bay cerca amigonan pa haya sa unda exactamente nan por topa cu nan yiu.

Ningun por a duna e mayornan e contesta satisfactorio pa cual motibo nan a acerca polis y bati alarma.

Tur e pañanan di Cristoffer Laurance a keda na cas na Modanza unda e ta biba cerca su tata. E cellular ta paga mientras cu e pasaporte y pertenencianan tambe ta na cas.

No ta custumber di keda asina tanto dia for di cas y tur ora cu e sali ta yama notifica na cas di su paradero. Famia ta pidi pa cualkier hende cu por sa unda Cristoffer Laurance ta pa yama su tata Maikel Laurance na telefon 5881929 of Sra Croes na telefon 5648466.

Famia ta spera di por haya sa di paradero di nan yiu. Cristoffer tabata bisti cu Jeans largo color scur, un flannel preto y un slof na pia. E ta cabez feita, curpa grandi y estatura di 1.65 meter.

Online Pap translation:

cristoffer laurance 24 year is being busca

oranjestad (aan): family of cristoffer laurance is buscando his paradero. cristoffer laurance naci at the netherlands 28-08-1983 is child of parents aruban.

cristoffer laurance already end for one week not owing to being see more for his parents. pesey self they owing to notifica police end y till even owing to bay close amigonan for achieve know where exactly they can come across cu they child.

none can owing to give the parents the contesta satisfactorio for cual motibo they owing to acerca police y beat alarma.

all the pañanan of cristoffer laurance owing to stay at home at modanza where the live close his father. the cellular is pay while cu the pasaporte y pertenencianan also is at home.

do not custumber of stay so tanto day for of cas y all hour cu the leave is calling notifica at home of his paradero. family is ask for cualkier person cu can know where cristoffer laurance is for calling his father maikel laurance at telephone 5881929 or sra croes at telephone 5648466.

family is wait for of can achieve know of paradero of they child. cristoffer was dress cu jeans largo color dark, one flannel black y one slof at leg. the is cabez shave, curpa big y estatura of 1.65 metre.

Cristoffer Laurance, 24, born in The Netherlands of Arubian parents, all residing on Aruba, has been missing for a week. His cell phone and passport is at home.

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DIARIO A CAPTA MOMENTO CU DOS CHOLLER A BRINGA CU OTRO
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Inesperadamente, y den pleno bista di fotografo di DIARIO, Diamars mainta dos Choller a cuminza bringa cu otro.

Diripiente un di e chollernan, cu lomba sunu, a start na reclama e otro, y den hopi pura a pasa man pa e piedra, y cuminza bringa den Bruegelstraat.

E biaha aki e choller fuerte a cuminza dal e otro identifica como Gonzo. El a dal e cu piedra, bay riba dje, y cuminza yene cu golpi. Esey a sigui te ora cu Gonzo a cay abao. E ora el a bay over pa saca un cuchio cu intencion di hinke.

Polisnan cu tabata na Huez Comisario pa atende casonan, a core sali y bay stop e bringamento. Polis a apunta nan arma riba e choller pa asina kita e cuchio for di dje. Despues di esey nan a core bay y aleha di e lugar. Gonzo a mustra cu e no mester di atencion medico.

Online Pap translation:

daily paper owing to capta instant cu two choller owing to fight cu another

oranjestad (aan): unexpectedly, y in pleno view of fotografo of daily paper, tuesday morning two choller owing to cuminza fight cu another.

diripiente one of the chollernan, cu back sunu, owing to start at reclama the another, y in much pura owing to happen hand for her stone, y cuminza fight in bruegelstraat.

the trip here the choller strong owing to cuminza strike the another identifica because; gonzo. past owing to strike the cu stone, bay on dje, y cuminza yene cu golpi. esey owing to follow till hour cu gonzo owing to cay abao. the hour past owing to bay over for saca one cuchio cu intencion of hinke.

polisnan cu was at huez comisario for atende casonan, owing to core leave y bay stop the bringamento. police owing to apunta they arm on the choller for so less the cuchio for of dje. after of esey they owing to core bay y aleha of the lugar. gonzo owing to show cu the not have to of atencion medico.

Diario stumbled on two chollers (drug addicts) duking it out in broad daylight on a Bruegelstraat (don't know where that is). One was named Gonzo. Police intervened. No medical attention needed.

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[Rob]

Bamboo the Aruban Choller is back... LMAO!!!

watch this one while you can...

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

I copied it, lol

these arubians are sure messed up. lolololol

[igsigs]

Cristoffer Laurance, 24, born in The Netherlands of Arubian parents, all residing on Aruba, has been missing for a week. His cell phone and passport is at home.

* * *

Renfro has seen video of Cristoffer at the HI.

Munzenhofer ran into him yesterday eating lunch.

Rosalie Klein has pictures of him hiding in Brazil.

Forget the cell and passport business, Cristoffer is clearly a runaway.

[San]

Cristoffer Laurance, 24, born in The Netherlands of Arubian parents, all residing on Aruba, has been missing for a week. His cell phone and passport is at home.

* * *

Renfro has seen video of Cristoffer at the HI.

Munzenhofer ran into him yesterday eating lunch.

Rosalie Klein has pictures of him hiding in Brazil.

Forget the cell and passport business, Cristoffer is clearly a runaway.

He ran off with a blue eyed blond hair girl and he was seen in a jewelry store buying her a ring.

[klaasend]

In Bondia 09/18/07 a couple articles of interest:

This one appears to be something to do with an American tourist, 25yrs old:



This about a cocaine bust:

[carpe noctem]

Bamboo the Aruban Choller is back... LMAO!!!

watch this one while you can...

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

Rob


I downloaded it this time, so if EMCEE DIP STICK decides

to delete it,

...we can upload it again, and drive him crazy A$$ cuckoo coconuts.   

That idiot is King of the Losers. Typical Aruban flotsam.

>>> Brain B smoked.

[klaasend]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

The Netherlands: ‘Governmental power of Aruba unsatisfactory’

ORANJESTAD – The Netherlands wants a dialogue with Aruba about the differences in opinion on the desired autonomy and the governmental power of the island.

The Netherlands has noticed that ‘regularly there are indications of governmental incidents’ and the governmental power qualifies as unsatisfactory.  Same arrangements on good governance must therefore be made with Aruba as with the Antillean islands on their way to a new political structure.

This is stated in Chapter IV Kingdom Relations of the Dutch 2008 budget presented to the Dutch Parliament today.

Aruban ministers have often declared themselves openly in favour of independence.  Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) said that he is ashamed of his Dutch passport and that he prefers an Aruban one.  Also Prime Minister Nelson Oduber had the word independence in his mouth recently, when the Plant NV deal failed.  He even forbid his civil servants to take part in the negotiations regarding the new political structure of the Antilles.  In the meantime, the Aruban government seems to be seeking rapprochement again.  The governor said last week during the opening of the new parliamentary session that the government strives for strengthening the ties with the partners within the Kingdom.   

The Netherlands now wants a dialogue with Aruba to improve the island’s government and tie this into conversations on political adjustment and conversations on the cooperation program that comes to an end in 2009.  However, Aruba would like the Netherlands to continue participating in the Fondo Desaroyo Aruba (FDA).  But up till now, the Netherlands has been varying her expressions on this.  There is a political deliberation on the continuation of the development relation in the fall of 2007. 

The maintenance of law and order program is part of this and will be included in the discussion.  Important point of interest is the immigration policy, according to the Netherlands. 

The support from the Netherlands for the public finances will continue.  The dept-quote is anticipated to increase with one percent this year to 47.5 percent of the gross domestic product (BBP).  The real growth in relation to the BBP is estimated on 1.5 to 2 percent.  The Netherlands bases herself on the figures of the Central Bank of Aruba.  “

As part of promoting the autonomy of the Kingdom partners, it is of great importance that the countries are not too dependent of third parties financially.  This is expressed in a reduction of the debt-quote of both countries.”  The Netherlands is also of the opinion that thanks to a favourable economic development, the Aruban government can have the budget deficit under control with some specific measures.

As part of the political renewals, the Solidarity fund between the islands of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba will be canceled out.  This is a financial benefit of 4 million euro for Aruba that can be put in the FDA.

[Rob]

Bamboo the Aruban Choller is back... LMAO!!!

watch this one while you can...

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

Rob


I downloaded it this time, so if EMCEE DIP STICK decides

to delete it,

...we can upload it again, and drive him crazy A$$ cuckoo coconuts.   

That idiot is King of the Losers. Typical Aruban flotsam.

>>> Brain B smoked.

Bro Bro- did you check the comments section of my You Tube account and the message center that I gave you the password to?

There is some really funny stuff in there.

I still haven't decided whether or not to post all of his messages. He's a nutcake.

[sharon]

J45 & The Window of Opportunity

I read it differently.  This poster has demonstrated that the goon has a gap in his alibi and tale (the beachstory) whereby it was certainly possible for him -- acting alone -- to commit a murder and temporarily hide a lifeless body. 

The focus is the murder crime, not the accomplice, not the conspiracy, not the kidnapping abduction, and as such is far less an exoneration of K2, than a condemnation of jvds.

I actually believe the window for hiding was the 3:30 downloads of 2 porn movies (what else?).  The movies play, until they are done.  But no one needs to be there watching them, while they play.

The most recent line of thinking "sex without a condom" demonstrates the inherent fallacy of another part of the jvds lie construction: the original intent was sex, so how could there be no condom...let alone why the condomless joran might let this stand in his way.

.

Hammer --  in this earlier post, I think the 'download' time is one of the gaps that J45 is questioning.



Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Scenario A 

The timeline is Joran's lying truth.

At 1.40am the Kalpoe brothers and Joran arrived [after leaving C & C's] at the VDSresidence and stopped there nearby.
At 1.40am Natalee seems to be alive and also present.
At 2.26am Joran makes the only cellphone call to Deepak in Hooiberg.
At 3.11 Joran sends a cell phone sms message to Flor.
At 3.13am Joran sends a cell phone sms message to Deepak.
At 3.33.08am Joran sends a msn message [ computer] to Deepak.
At 3.35.32am Joran sends a msn to Deepak.
At 3.40am Joran visited on the internet fcbarcelona.com, livescore.com and soccernet.com.
At 3.46am Joran visited the pornsite backseatbangers.com and 10 minutes later nastydollars.com, where he downloaded two pornmovies.
At 4.30am Joran viewed his hotmailaccount and MSN.

Scenario A is about the only prime suspect: Joran van der Sloot.

Joran's intention was to have sex with Natalee in his appartment.
Here the assumption is that Joran and Natalee factual left Deepak's car
at approximately 1.40am on monday May 30, 2005.
So 45 minutes later Joran called Deepak, who stated later that the connection was not that good and Joran was heavily breathing.
After that call it lasted 35 minutes to put another fact on his alibi timeline.
At 3.33am Joran is at home.
Between 4.00am and 4.30am Joran downloaded two pornmovies.
Was Joran during those downloads at home ?
Why does Joran compares himself with a professional killer ? [page 93]
Why is Joran describing himself as a very, very sick person ? [page 93]
Why is he writing about the murder of Natalee ? [page 93]


Joran's book is a confession.