Natalee Case Discussion #681 9/16 - 9/24/2007

[Tamikosmom]

Leaks  -  6/8/05

PENHAUL: We do hear from police sources, however, that the three men, at least one of them, says that they did go to the beach with Natalee.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/08/ng.01.html

So the beach story is leaked to Penhaul, on 6/8? The sporter must have choked out that info on 5/31.  

On June 7, 2005 ... prior to Joran, Deepak and Satish's detention ... cartoonist ...  diberardo ... had to have been privy to inside information pertaining the the Marriot Beach drop off.  At that time the world was still being fed the Holiday Inn drop off.  Hey ... Joran, Deepak and Satish's June 9, 2005 suspect statements imply the Holiday Inn dropoff.

Janet

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http://cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php

Search continues for teen missing in Aruba
Government workers join hunt for Alabama woman
Tuesday, June 7, 2005 Posted: 9:37 AM EDT (1337 GMT)

[Observer]

Sharon
Determining the 5th suspect is difficult when reading those archives.  Now, you know why I have been so confused by it all.  Keep reading...it never becomes any clearer. LOL

So true.

And I'm not even thinking Shango and the 5th suspect. 

I'm focused on Steve Croes. And why was he really arrested/detained/questioned. I don't buy the bs about overhearing Deepak -- or doing a favor for Deepak for $ -- or witnessing a fight on the beach as he told his grandmother  In one of Deepak's PV's, he says Croes was at C&C that night. But we haven't heard any more about that. So......was he there?

And Lorenzo -- why was he really detained/arrested/questioned.

The news broadcasts say that ONE of them (Steve or Lorenzo) was detained after the questioning of 2 Dutch brothers. Sander & Koen?? What did they say?

That's why, IMO, there are many answers hidden somewhere in that chaos.

The archive I was reading contained posts with the news as it was announced over Aruban radio.

I understand. I wasn't thinking Shango either.  I think maybe Steve was being paid to say he saw the perps that night.  Or, he was put in jail to send a message to keep his mouth shut.

Lorenzo may indeed be the party host.  If Joran went to these parties, there would be reason to question Lorenzo.

I have read these 2 very important days on just about every blog on the internet. To me it was a very important part of the investigation and although its clear who they are talking about it's not clear who the 5th suspect is.. It makes no sense why they waited a week to pickup SGC for his fake alibi..Nor do I believe LVR was picked up because of a Psychic or a phone call about Natalee's clothes in his basement..Same thing for GVC a year later about BS from a taxi cab driver..Makes me really wonder what the 2 dutch brothers did indeed tell the ALE? Did they implicate SGC and LVR? PVDS? Doesn't it seem like everything changed after June 18th?

Also I have been looking at this..Says he was missing 2 days from work..Would that be the 16th and 17th(thu and fri) or 17th and 18th? Either way it was reported his wife saw the mess in the home on morning of the 18th after working all night and called the ALE..Why not the day before then if he was missing 2 days? Also reported 2 men had helped her but only she was convicted of the crime and was appealing the case..Makes you wonder if she is still even in prison??

What day were the Gottenbos questioned?

5-16-05 SGC Arrested 8am
5-16-05 LVR Detained for questioning and released
5-18-05 Rene's Body found in the Govt cemetary

[2NJSons_Mom]

I posted this on the FP earlier this month and I noticed a few people on other sites ridiculing my post 

Just a small snip of the coverup orchestrated by Paul Van Der Sloot and his Friends. No doubt in my mind Rudy Croes and PVDS are up to there eyeballs in Natalee’s dissapearance.
Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005
GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with — and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.
Take a close look what a joke this Investigation is. The Police commish is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot and worked for him years earlier. He even commented how can I do this to my best friends son? He was in constant contact with PVDS in the middle of a investigation and some of the conversations were even tapped. After he killed the Investigation,Authorities in Aruba said he was retiring to Holland as he had planned for many months. He then left to Bonaire and kept the same title. He gave his good Friend and Godson 10 days to destroy evidence,get there stories straight while he and dompig were framing two innocent men. What evidence has this man seen?
5-13-05-Jan Van Der Straaten tells Joran he will help him get into a Mental Institution instead of prison.
Tuesday night(5-14-05) during the broadcast of the most popular entertainment news program in The Netherlands, RTL-Boulevard, crime reporter John van den Heuvel announced that he talked to police commissioner Jan van der Straten, who is heading the investigation. The commissioner told van den Heuvel that they expect the case of Natalee Holloway to be solved within the next 24 hours.6-11-05 Announcement was made that there was a confession and the suspect was leading them to the body. Deputy Chief of Police Gerald Dompig used his star witness(Drug dealing crack head brother in-law Buti Naar)to implicate two innocent men to divert attention away from the real suspects. This same crack head later said that he saw Natalee Holloway with drugs. In turn the ALE now says that she killed herself from a cocaine overdose. Both are flat out lies and the whole world knows it.
Also this same week Antonio Carlo visted the Chief Prosecuter Karen Janssen that Joran played a major role in the dissapearance of Natalee. What did she do with the information…Nothing!!
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Both Carlo and Van Der Sloot were barred from seeing Joran and for good reason. However that was short lived as apparently PVDS toook Rudy Croes to court and won the decision. Even though both of them Obstructed a Investigation by talking to witnesses.
The Aruban newspaper, AweMeinta, opened their Wednesday edition with the following headline: “Tata di Joran cu caso kontra Ministerio Publico”, the translation of this headline is: “Joran’s father takes justice ministry to court”. The article relates that Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot, has lost his patience. Paulus van der Sloot is taking the justice ministry to court because Unlike Joran’s mother, he hasn’t been allowed to visit his son since his arrest. Van der Sloot is also mad because Joran’s attorney, Antonio Carlo, has been dismissed by the justice ministry. The case is supposed to begin today in Aruban court.
Also Friday, the court barred van der Sloot’s lawyer, Antonio Carlo, from visiting the teen, effectively removing him from the case, said Attorney General spokeswoman Mariaine Croes.
As a result, the van der Sloots retained two more attorneys for the defense of their son, Richie Kock and Arjan Debie.
The court granted prosecutors’ request to remove Carlo because he had visited one of two former security guards who had been detained and released in the case, authorities said.
Croes said the Dutch teenager has a team of lawyers, so Carlo’s removal will not leave them without representataion.
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On August 30, 2005 Judge Smit issued a ruling that Joran should be held another 30 days, fled to Curacao and immediately faxed in a reversal of his ruling. Two weeks later he released all of the suspects,while ignoring incrimating evidence as well as a list of inconsistencies from the suspects.
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DE VRIES: Well, the search in the home address of the family van der Sloot was very strange because the search warrant was made by head prosecutor Karin Janssen, and contained an allowance to search the whole address, “Montanja nineteen.”
So, the gardens, the buildings–everything.
But, when the police was on the spot, another high-ranking employee of the Justice office–it was Mr. Bob Witt–reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran–and that was very strange.
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Paul Van Der Sloot was allowed to Obstruct Justice by editing Jorans Transcripts,Talking to witnesses and Lied about a murder investigation. He called Natalee a corpse before she was even reported as missing. Instead of telling his son to tell the truth he told him to be quiet and lie about what happened. When all of Aruba was looking for the Missing Girl he hired a team of lawyers. He is seen on Video tape with Natalee just hours before she dissapears at the Casino. It is also proven he picked up Joran and Natalee at about 4AM on 5-30-05. A Witness had seen him as well as many witnesses including Police Officials heard it from his own mouth.. On 6-17-05 he then changed his statement and said he picked Joran up at 11pm. That same day he called a friend in N.Carolina and told her Natalee died after she hit her head and drowned.
He should have never been released as a suspect and been able to practice Law. He should be in prison!!It is proven he and his son were the last to see Natalee…So I have one question for Paul Van Der Sloot..What the hell did you do with Natalee Holloway??
http://www.carlolawoffice.com/attorneys/index.html
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Joran van der Sloot: One day I will explain exactly what happened. But right now I don‘t feel ready to do that.
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Paul van der Sloot said in a phone conversation with Peter de Vries that they had a lot to tell but they will not do that just now because of people involved who could be hurt by this information.

*******, I am a couple pages behind, but I would question these dates....

[2NJSons_Mom]

Sharon
Determining the 5th suspect is difficult when reading those archives.  Now, you know why I have been so confused by it all.  Keep reading...it never becomes any clearer. LOL

So true.

And I'm not even thinking Shango and the 5th suspect. 

I'm focused on Steve Croes. And why was he really arrested/detained/questioned. I don't buy the bs about overhearing Deepak -- or doing a favor for Deepak for $ -- or witnessing a fight on the beach as he told his grandmother  In one of Deepak's PV's, he says Croes was at C&C that night. But we haven't heard any more about that. So......was he there?

And Lorenzo -- why was he really detained/arrested/questioned.

The news broadcasts say that ONE of them (Steve or Lorenzo) was detained after the questioning of 2 Dutch brothers. Sander & Koen?? What did they say?

That's why, IMO, there are many answers hidden somewhere in that chaos.

The archive I was reading contained posts with the news as it was announced over Aruban radio.

I understand. I wasn't thinking Shango either.  I think maybe Steve was being paid to say he saw the perps that night.  Or, he was put in jail to send a message to keep his mouth shut.

Lorenzo may indeed be the party host.  If Joran went to these parties, there would be reason to question Lorenzo.

I have read these 2 very important days on just about every blog on the internet. To me it was a very important part of the investigation and although its clear who they are talking about it's not clear who the 5th suspect is.. It makes no sense why they waited a week to pickup SGC for his fake alibi..Nor do I believe LVR was picked up because of a Psychic or a phone call about Natalee's clothes in his basement..Same thing for GVC a year later about BS from a taxi cab driver..Makes me really wonder what the 2 dutch brothers did indeed tell the ALE? Did they implicate SGC and LVR? PVDS? Doesn't it seem like everything changed after June 18th?

Also I have been looking at this..Says he was missing 2 days from work..Would that be the 16th and 17th(thu and fri) or 17th and 18th? Either way it was reported his wife saw the mess in the home on morning of the 18th after working all night and called the ALE..Why not the day before then if he was missing 2 days? Also reported 2 men had helped her but only she was convicted of the crime and was appealing the case..Makes you wonder if she is still even in prison??

What day were the Gottenbos questioned?

5-16-05 SGC Arrested 8am
5-16-05 LVR Detained for questioning and released
5-18-05 PVDS arrested and Rene's Body found in the Govt cemetary

Again, I think you may just have mistyped....

[Rammstein]

5 members of a repair crew were killed by an explosion in the inners of an (oil)tanker where they were repairing said ship.

That's horrible.  Did they have more explosions or just the one? 

last I read was that they were still trying to put out the fire.

[Pita]

*******,

Koen and Sander were both questioned on June 16 and 17, 2005.  Koen was requestioned on June 20 and Aug. 30, 2005.

[sb]

Gag, taco-boy's on O'Reilly sticking up for oj.

[Observer]

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*******, I am a couple pages behind, but I would question these dates....
Again, I think you may just have mistyped....

Sorry..I was playin a game so I was distracted...What date was wrong??Please correct me!!

Thanks Pita!!!

[wreck]

Gag, taco-boy's on O'Reilly sticking up for oj.

Taco No-Bueno is on the WRONG side of every case.

[klaasend]

Gag, taco-boy's on O'Reilly sticking up for oj.

SB - I'm not watching but it figures he would

[robots]

 

[klaasend]

 

Where have you been Robots?

[2NJSons_Mom]

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Again, I think you may just have mistyped....

I'm not Pita, who posted dates, but I know that the dates I bolded or highighted were wrong...(this quote is confusing, too...game or no game.)

g'nite

[2NJSons_Mom]

*******, I just messed up my reply...no matter how hard one tries to reply beyond the quote...well, you know...and I'll see ya later...

[Observer]

*******, I just messed up my reply...no matter how hard one tries to reply beyond the quote...well, you know...and I'll see ya later...

Hehe..I hear ya..Your right on one of the dates..PVDS was arrested the the 23rd not the 18th!! The other two are correct..

[robots]

 

Where have you been Robots?

just
causing trouble 

[klaasend]

 

Where have you been Robots?

just
causing trouble 

Well it's good to see you!

[Tamikosmom]

In the Natalee Holloway case ... other than the security guards ... there were only seven suspects who were arrested ... held in pre-trial detention. All the rest were considered witnesses who were brought in for questioning and immediately relesed ... Lorenzo included.

Janet


Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt (GVC)
ABC NEWS
April 24, 2006

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19, has been released into the custody of his parents after spending more than a week in an Aruba jail on suspicion of "criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.


Guildo Wever
FOX NEWS
May 22, 2006

Guido Wever, an Aruba national, is expected to face charges Tuesday in a Dutch courtroom connection with the disappearance of the high school senior. Wever's lawyer, Gerard Spong was expected to file a suit Monday to prevent his extradition to the Caribbean island on charges of "assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen

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Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system. You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion. After a maximum of 146 days, the prosecution must determine the criminal offense that has been committed and make an official summation for court. And God forbid that they cannot determine what criminal offense has been committed, the case remains open, and it can remain open for a whole number of years, actually, until the due process, the international rules about due process, up to two years


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

[greeneyedlady]

re:Joran writing his book in english

Trixie wrote:
He should record the book in English and have it where people could buy it by downloading it. I wonder if that is possible?



smartlap wrote:
http://www.ebooks-made-easy.com/


I hear that medley is writing a book of some sort, maybe she can guide him?

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about11171-0-asc-275.html

 

[Buckeye]

*******, I just messed up my reply...no matter how hard one tries to reply beyond the quote...well, you know...and I'll see ya later...

Hehe..I hear ya..Your right on one of the dates..PVDS was arrested the the 23rd not the 18th!! The other two are correct..

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June is the 6th month.  Your quotes are dated May (5th month).