Natalee Case Discussion #681 9/16 - 9/24/2007

[Rob]

For those that were watching, last night GLENDA was on a rant at RU.  I don't know if she was just in an angry mood or maybe had too much to drink.  In any case, she may have let something slip.  The conversation at the time was about Charles Croes and Beth's book:

Glenda Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:23 pm

And you can knock of the Bull Shit! Betty tried to discreted CC as a psychic and Julia stopped her in her tracks. Her "omg statement" that an aruban psychic told me that my daughter gave the son of judge head in the back seat of a car and then accidently died in Seroe Colorado after stating that she didn't want to return to Alabama and called her mother Hitler.

The answers are all in the first days, I've repeated many times, exactly what I was told by Betty in the first days.


The question is why did Glenda/Renfro say SEROE COLORADO??

prolly cause she knows Beth's book is hitting the streets today.... he he he!!!

Today?  I thought October 2nd?

I'll have my copy later today.. Walmart has it for 20 smackers!!!

It's already at Walmart?  That's almost $4 more than the Amazon price though. 

I'd pay 40 bucks to have it today...

[klaasend]

I believe in Grande's conversations with CC he denies being a psychic. It's been a long time since I have read that stuff...but it could be in there...

ROB - I think that whole clairvoiyant thing was nothing more than a translation issue.  I think it's nothing.

[Rob]

I believe in Grande's conversations with CC he denies being a psychic. It's been a long time since I have read that stuff...but it could be in there...

ROB - I think that whole clairvoiyant thing was nothing more than a translation issue.  I think it's nothing.

yes  - - - intermediary 

[Tamikosmom]

I believe in Grande's conversations with CC he denies being a psychic. It's been a long time since I have read that stuff...but it could be in there...

ROB - I think that whole clairvoiyant thing was nothing more than a translation issue.  I think it's nothing.

Klaas ... I agree.  I speculate that "mediator" was translated from Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karin Janssen into "clairvoyant".  When your consider that a clairvoyant is often referred to as a "medium" ...

IMO

Janet

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Benvinda de Souza
LETTER TO KARIN JANSSEN
June 23, 2005

This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant.


Charles Croes
February 21, 2006

I have received mail over the week-end as well as personal contacts and comments. If the following means nothing to you, then take it from me that it means just that … nothing. The best thing is to move on. I unfortunately need to respond.

NO - I am not a clairvoyant. It is insane to think I am

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?p=48758#post48758

[klaasend]

I believe in Grande's conversations with CC he denies being a psychic. It's been a long time since I have read that stuff...but it could be in there...

ROB - I think that whole clairvoiyant thing was nothing more than a translation issue.  I think it's nothing.

Klaas ... I agree.  I speculate that "mediator" was translated from Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karin Janssen into "clairvoyant".  When your consider that a clairvoyant is often referred to as a "medium" ...

IMO

Janet

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Benvinda de Souza
LETTER TO KARIN JANSSEN
June 23, 2005

This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant.


Charles Croes
February 21, 2006

I have received mail over the week-end as well as personal contacts and comments. If the following means nothing to you, then take it from me that it means just that … nothing. The best thing is to move on. I unfortunately need to respond.

NO - I am not a clairvoyant. It is insane to think I am

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?p=48758#post48758

Janet - exactly.  That's why I find it almost humorous that RU and Glenda are even making an issue out of this. 

[Tiger]

where is Seroe Colrado_

[klaasend]

where is Seroe Colrado_

Southern tip of the island, closer to Joran's school and Lorenzo's house.  Also closer to where they found the bloody mattress/security shirt/lysol bottle:

[klaasend]

Sounds like Beth's book may be on the shelf at Walmart today.  I'm going to take a trip to Walmart.  Be back in a bit.

[sharon]

Does we have a thread with all of Espionage's posts anywhere?

Or does someone have them all? I thought I did -- but I don't

And 'search' comes back and tells me that there's nothing meeting my criteria

And for some reason, I can't seem to find Espionage on the SM 'members' list -- so I can't even find the posts that way.

TIA

[MumInOhio]

Does we have a thread with all of Espionage's posts anywhere?

Or does someone have them all? I thought I did -- but I don't

And 'search' comes back and tells me that there's nothing meeting my criteria

And for some reason, I can't seem to find Espionage on the SM 'members' list -- so I can't even find the posts that w

TIA

Not sure Sharon, but thought they were brought over from the front page.

[MumInOhio]

Does we have a thread with all of Espionage's posts anywhere?

Or does someone have them all? I thought I did -- but I don't

And 'search' comes back and tells me that there's nothing meeting my criteria

And for some reason, I can't seem to find Espionage on the SM 'members' list -- so I can't even find the posts that way.

TIA

Sharon page 5 under Natalee Holloway heading in index. Not sure if that's what you're looking for.

[sharon]

I thought so too, Mum.  I thought someone put them all together in a thread.

But I can't find it with 'search' -- and I can't even find the poster's name in the member list anymore

I must be having a senior and blonde moment together -- and I'm not a blonde

The site still loads each page really slowly for me -- so maybe I just don't have the patience right now and should try again this evening.

And I've already forgotten what it was that I was so 'hot' to re-read  It was important at the time. Really it was

[2NJSons_Mom]

That area of the island can also be the origin of the 'want to see sharks' statement Joran attributed to Natalee.  I had felt from the beginning and have posted such long ago, that they may have gone in that direction rather than toward the California lighthouse. 

I found one article that said sharks are mostly in the northern portion, but just found one that states eastern (actually northeast would be accurate).  Sand sharks from what I have been told are harmless...

http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Caribbean_and_Central_America/Aruba/Warnings_or_Dangers-Aruba-BR-2.html

It is an upmost heard question "if there are sharks in the water". Ofcourse my dear, sharks do live in the ocean all over the world. The moment you enter the ocean in Aruba or anywhere, you become part of the food chain. Find most of the sharks on more of the East side of the Aruba island, where the island dumps a lot of it's trash. Visit the Andicouri Bay, or try the eyecatcher of the Natural Bridge. Here the tourists may watch meat-food to sharks ans swimming here isn't that realistic ... For shark-lovers; you can get really close to sleeping nurse and sand sharks at the Shark Caves. Usually they sleep during the day and, allowing humans to get closer you may even touch them ... though better leave the sharks and donot bother them ... heehee

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Here is a map showing Shark Caves, etc.  Punta Basora is also mentioned where hammerhead sharks, stingray & barracuda can be seen...(Natural Bridge area)....just trying to pull some of this together, even if it's off course.

 http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_b.html#10

http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_b.html#10

[sharon]

Thank mum!!!! I will go look now. And probably copy everything to my PC 

(I didn't have the time/patience to get to page 5)

[MumInOhio]

Thank mum!!!! I will go look now. And probably copy everything to my PC 

(I didn't have the time/patience to get to page 5)

Your Welcome, sharon.  I found what I was looking for this morning while I was looking for you!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thank mum!!!! I will go look now. And probably copy everything to my PC 

(I didn't have the time/patience to get to page 5)

Just in case your patience wears thin:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=564.0

[sharon]

2NJ & Mum

Thanks so much!

I'm just having a feeble day Must have been the picture of that book cover "Brain Fog" that I was dreaming about last night

I know Espionage was a front page poster, but I couldn't even remember if he posted INSIDE the forum. I thought he did. I think I'm wrong

I've got the whole thread now -- thanks to you 2 {{{hug}}}

[BIGORANGECRUSH]

Anyone know where to get Beths Book? Is it available now?

BOC on a fly By!!

[klaasend]

Anyone know where to get Beths Book? Is it available now?

BOC on a fly By!!

BOC - someone is saying that Walmart has it now.  I just checked my Walmart and it's not in the store yet.  Of course you can always order from Amazon too.

[greeneyedlady]

Beth's book is not at our local Walmart yet either..My daughter works there and I had her check for me. Maybe it's in the larger city stores if it's out?