Natalee Case Discussion #681 9/16 - 9/24/2007

[klaasend]

I still want to know what Charles Croes said in the edited portions of the Greta interview, as well, and why it was so obviously edited. 

Me too!

[Observer]

I still want to know what Charles Croes said in the edited portions of the Greta interview, as well, and why it was so obviously edited. 

My guess would be the reason why Beth thought Natalee was kidnapped and what was on those reported calls that Beth had taped. I wonder if he asked Joran what drugs they were doing? My guess would be extasy since that is what PVDS told his friend in N.Carolina..ALso I dont think it was appropriate to be discussing what contact him and Natalee had anyways on National TV.Especially since Joran was lying through his teeth..IMO

Notice that this was the first and only time they had talked about the one or two calls they think came from Natalee..Who's voice said are you calling home?? Who's voice said what is your name?? WHat other background noise was on that tape if any? Who's phone was that call made from? From where? What were they saying in Papiamento to each other??

[Tamikosmom]

I still want to know what Charles Croes said in the edited portions of the Greta interview, as well, and why it was so obviously edited. 

2NJ

IIRC ... the original transcript included questions regarding the cell message ... the message which Beth believed the voice sounded like Natalee.

I wished I had saved the original transcript.

Janet

[Kiwi]

Klaasend I have a fairly basic question. Maybe its been discussed previously. These three had limited experiences in life, as teens they would tend to do repetitive activities. They would have a favorite spot to take girls to. They would also have a favorite place to take unsuspecting tourists to. At there age it could be one and the same. So here's the question. Has anyone just simply put out a call for someone to come out of the shadows and point to a place they were taken? That place would be the best place to start from since it wouldn't be buried in a lie. They would have gone there again, especially if they got away with something or as they say twenty times before.

[greeneyedlady]

Charles Croes - One Happy Island: Visit Aruba - 06/02/05

There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.

It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.

I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

I wish all of us strength

charles
arubafastphones.com
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This post by C.C. has always intrigued me. What does Charles Croes really know?

I have read many of his posts and it is in my opinion that he believes that Natalee's family is behind it all. CC is just another waste of oxygen.

I dont think he originally had that point of view.."There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications" I think he was meaining it was much deeper than just Joran and his father..He has a pretty Idea what happened since Joran himself told him that he and Natalee were doing drugs and he had sexual contact with her..He speaks all the languages so I'M sure he heard loud and clear Paul VDS and Deepak telling Joran to say nothing..Not exactly what innocent people say under those circumstances

Since then he has teamed up with groups like the IFA..We know some of there members are Julia Renfro,Anita Van Der Sloot,Mark and Marlene Purcell and Angela M 

IMO, C.C. was also talking about PJ2K and others when he made that post. It sounds to me as if he knows exactly what's been going on there and has a pretty good idea what happened to Natalee.

And then there's this posted by Ramm @ BFN of PVDS's June 23rd, 2005 statement:
[snipped]
I briefly talked to Charles CROES who had been driving the mother of the missing girl. He said that he didn't need to know anything more from Joran. He said that he had looked into Joran's eyes and understood from that

HERE THERE IS A SECTION MISSING IMHO

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=5265.0

[greeneyedlady]

What did Charles Croes see in Joran's eyes and why is that part of PVDS's statement missing?

[Leslie]

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[San]

I still want to know what Charles Croes said in the edited portions of the Greta interview, as well, and why it was so obviously edited. 

2NJ

IIRC ... the original transcript included questions regarding the cell message ... the message which Beth believed the voice sounded like Natalee.

I wished I had saved the original transcript.

Janet

This was posted by Faith on the Truth 4 Natalee website:

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Stunning new information about Joran van der Sloot's (search) lies. Less than 24 hours after Natalee Holloway (search) disappeared, before he was questioned by police, Joran Van Der Sloot had already made up a story about what happened that night.

Charles Croes spoke with Joran in the early morning hours of May 31. Earlier today, Charles told us about that conversation.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Beth have any idea at that point, as far as you knew, who her daughter had been seen with or who she had last been known to be with?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did she tell you?

C. CROES: Specifically, she told me that her daughter went to Carlos and Charlie's, and that, while there, she had met up with a young guy and asked him to take her home, and that she got into a small silver or gray car that had a large exhaust on the back and tinted windows, and had left.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she have names for any of these people or just that description?

C. CROES: She had a description of the car and she had a description of one tall Dutch guy. And at that time, she said, with darkish hair.

VAN SUSTEREN: During the time that you were talking to Beth at the gas station, did the discussion of that phone call come up again?

C. CROES: Yes, it did.

VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next?

C. CROES: After that, we spoke a while. And then we left that location with the intention of going to the Holiday Inn to continue meeting. On the way there, a young man and I were sitting in my car. And on the way there, instinctively, I wanted to go to drive off, pull over to the cabana area, just to look to see if perhaps she was there.

VAN SUSTEREN: Then where did you go?

C. CROES: Then we continued on track over to the Holiday Inn. And we were supposed to turn over to go into the Holiday Inn. And I had made a decision not to and went straight ahead. And going straight ahead, I made another decision to go to the beach area.

VAN SUSTEREN: What happened when you got there?

C. CROES: When I got there, there were three cars there. One was pulling out. It was a black car. There was another car parked there. And there was a car with kids in it. And I made the decision to talk to the kids. I got out of the car and, in talking to the kids, and describing what had happened, and explained to them why it is I was approaching them at this hour of the night and asking these questions.

I then described Joran. At this point, I wasn't sure about his name. And they asked me what kind of car he drove. And I wasn't sure. And I said, "But we do know that he was in a silver or gray metallic car, small car with a large exhaust." One of the guys says, "Oh, that's Joran."

I then spoke to him, and I said, "Would you kindly lead us to his home? Do you know where he lives?" And he said, "Sure." And he got in our car. And we went over to the house.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you drove over to the Van der Sloot home. And any idea about what time you arrived there?

C. CROES: Close to 3:00.

VAN SUSTEREN: Prior to that time when you went to the house, had you ever heard of the Van der Sloots or had you ever been to their house before?

C. CROES: Never.

VAN SUSTEREN: So then what happened next?

C. CROES: What happened next was that, in the interim of doing that, we had notified the family that we had found a house. Then they asked us to meet them at the police station. So we went back over to the police station.

VAN SUSTEREN: About how far is the police station from the Van der Sloot house?

C. CROES: Actually very close.

VAN SUSTEREN: So what did do you next? What time did you leave the police station about?

C. CROES: Some time between 2:40, 2:30, 2:45… at that time.

VAN SUSTEREN: A.M.?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And where did you go?

C. CROES: Right to the house.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who went?

C. CROES: All of the people that were there, myself included.

VAN SUSTEREN: Meaning Beth and her husband, the police… were there some other friends from the United States with them?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What happened when you got to the house?

C. CROES: When we got to the house, the police asked us to stay back. And they went to the front door, or the entrance. And they beeped the horn. No one responded. And they then did their police siren kind of thing. And no one responded. They did it several times, and then finally Mr. Van der Sloot came out.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you hear what he said?

C. CROES: I heard bits of the conversation but not the whole conversation, because I was still back.

VAN SUSTEREN: What bits did you hear?

C. CROES: I heard bits that he didn't know where his son was. I heard bits that referred to him having picked up his son at a McDonald's, those kind of things. There was nothing that was tied together, just little bits of conversation that were coming out.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did you then do next?

C. CROES: We went to the Wyndham Hotel.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why did you go to the Wyndham?

C. CROES: There was a feeling that Joran may be there playing poker.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Paul Van der Sloot go with this entourage to the Wyndham Hotel?

C. CROES: Yes, he did.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who did he travel with?

C. CROES: I believe he went with the police.

VAN SUSTEREN: What happened when you got to the Wyndham? What did you do?

C. CROES: We went up to the casino area, and it was closing down, talking to some people. And they mentioned that they thought they had seen them there. They thought they had seen Natalee there, but there was no level of certainty.

VAN SUSTEREN: After all of you were at the Wyndham, and you learned that Joran was not there, what was the next thing that happened?

C. CROES: We then went back over to the Van der Sloots' house.

VAN SUSTEREN: Prior to arriving at the Van der Sloot's house, did you hear Paul Van der Sloot say anything at all about Natalee, about the disappearance, or any information? Did he seem to know anything at all about the disappearance?

C. CROES: No.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Much more of our interview with Charles Croes is coming up in just a moment. He's going to tell us what happened when they got back to the Van Der Sloot house that night, or that morning.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Earlier today, we spoke with Charles Croes, one of the first people to speak with Joran Van der Sloot after Natalee Holloway disappeared. Charles told us that the night after Natalee vanished, he, Natalee's family, and Paul Van der Sloot went searching for Joran at the casino but they didn't find him. I asked him what happened when they returned to the Van der Sloot house in the very early morning hours of May 31st.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

C. CROES: When we got back, all of us got back to the Van der Sloot home, Joran was there, as well as the father, of course. And then Joran came out, spoke to the police.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you first saw Joran and his father, where were there and where were you?

C. CROES: They were standing by the gate area. And I was arriving in the car I was driving, and I saw them. And then I parked the car, and got out, and walked over to the side.

VAN SUSTEREN: Tell me next what you heard, what you saw.

C. CROES: I heard that there was some questioning going back and forth. And I heard the father several times say, "You know, is there anything we can do? You know, we're here to help." I heard Joran say, you know, "I'm willing to help, I'm willing to help, I'm willing to help."

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you hear Joran tell what happened that night, the last he'd seen of Natalee? What did he say?

C. CROES: Yes, I did hear him. And what he said was that they picked him up — or Natalee got into the car with them.

VAN SUSTEREN: At what time?

C. CROES: I'm not sure that he gave me the time. I have heard since then that it was 11:00ish or so.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say whether he knew Natalee from any earlier experience?

C. CROES: Yes, he did.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say?

C. CROES: He said that he had been gambling and that he met Natalee. And Natalee told him that she had lost some money and was trying to recuperate it before she went home. And he apparently was a good poker player, or blackjack player, whatever it is, and that he helped her recoup some of her monies, and gave it back to her. And she then considered him her lucky charm.

VAN SUSTEREN: When does the story pick up again? When does he next see her, that you know?

C. CROES: Well, he next told me that he was at Carlos and Charlie's, and that they were dancing. And then that she asked for a ride home.

VAN SUSTEREN: Can you give me the details, every single word exactly how he said it, that you recall?

C. CROES: That I recall, in the details was that he told me that she was coming on to him, and dancing provocatively, and then she said she wanted to have him take her home. He then agreed to that. And they went out, I guess, and they got in the car. She got in the car, and they drove off.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was there any sexual discussion at all?

C. CROES: Yes, there was.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was your observation of his demeanor at the time he was telling you these things?

C. CROES: Very uncomfortable young guy, very, very nervous, very uncomfortable.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he describe whether or not she seemed to have had too much to drink or anything that night?

C. CROES: Yes, he did. He told me that she had been doing drugs and possibly been drinking, too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he indicate whether he was doing drugs or drinking?

C. CROES: He said that he had been drinking.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say how much he'd been drinking?

C. CROES: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: So what did Joran say happened to Natalee? I mean, at some point, the story continues.

C. CROES: Yes. He then said that they made a decision — that they were driving around. They made a decision to take her to the lighthouse to show her the lighthouse. They went up to the lighthouse, were there for a little while.

And then she was acting so crazy that he just wanted to take her home, back to the hotel. And that he took her to the hotel, pulled into the front, and opened the door, and that she got out. And when she got out, she tripped and fell.

VAN SUSTEREN: Then what?

C. CROES: And then got up, continued to walk into the Holiday Inn hotel.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is that where he said he last saw her?

C. CROES: That's exactly what he said.

VAN SUSTEREN: It's about 5 o'clock in the morning on Tuesday, May 31st. She missed her flight on Monday, the 30th, midday.

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: There's been absolutely no news, no newspaper cycle, to indicate that Natalee Holloway is missing, right, at that point?

C. CROES: OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: So somehow Joran decided to come up with this lie about the Holiday Inn, assuming that's a lie, and I guess that's pretty much been accepted as a lie?

C. CROES: All right.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything that he told you or he said that would suggest that he had any sort of inkling that she was missing and there was some foul play?

C. CROES: No. What he said to me — he repeated to me over and over again was his desire to help find her, that if there's anything he could do to help find her, he would, just please ask him, that kind of thing. It was a very — at that point, it was a scared young guy who seemed to be wanting to help.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

[San]

Klaasend I have a fairly basic question. Maybe its been discussed previously. These three had limited experiences in life, as teens they would tend to do repetitive activities. They would have a favorite spot to take girls to. They would also have a favorite place to take unsuspecting tourists to. At there age it could be one and the same. So here's the question. Has anyone just simply put out a call for someone to come out of the shadows and point to a place they were taken? That place would be the best place to start from since it wouldn't be buried in a lie. They would have gone there again, especially if they got away with something or as they say twenty times before.

I'm not klaas and I'm sure she will have an answer so while we wait here is my answer.

What better place to get away with a crime than your own apartment with your father who is a judge on the island making sure no one comes to his house.

[San]

What did Charles Croes see in Joran's eyes and why is that part of PVDS's statement missing?

He saw EVIL.

[klaasend]

Klaasend I have a fairly basic question. Maybe its been discussed previously. These three had limited experiences in life, as teens they would tend to do repetitive activities. They would have a favorite spot to take girls to. They would also have a favorite place to take unsuspecting tourists to. At there age it could be one and the same. So here's the question. Has anyone just simply put out a call for someone to come out of the shadows and point to a place they were taken? That place would be the best place to start from since it wouldn't be buried in a lie. They would have gone there again, especially if they got away with something or as they say twenty times before.

We are pretty certain they have been to The Mill Resort before, possibly to other hotel rooms.  I also agree with SAN that Joran's apartment or house is a likely place as we know he can freely have girls there.  I also wonder about Freddy's place.

[klaasend]

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Goodmorning Leslie - thanks for the morning papers!

[sharon]

Thanks, San!

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VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Beth have any idea at that point, as far as you knew, who her daughter had been seen with or who she had last been known to be with?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did she tell you?

C. CROES: Specifically, she told me that her daughter went to Carlos and Charlie's, and that, while there, she had met up with a young guy and asked him to take her home, and that she got into a small silver or gray car that had a large exhaust on the back and tinted windows, and had left.

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Does anyone think that Beth really made the comment above in red to Charles ??

Does anyone think that Charles Croes is a 'player' and in this up to his beady eyeballs?? And a lieing POS?

[2NJSons_Mom]

San, thank you for that transcript....do we know the date of the interview?  Just curious...since Greta mentions the 'lie' about the HI.  Also see that CC says he rode to VDS's after talking to the kids on the beach (which beach?) and when Greta asks what time, he says 'about 3am'.  Then, he says family was called at HI and he met them at the police station....follows stating they all went back to VDS's 2:30, 2:40, 2:45am....?????.....

I know if I were Beth & company, and I had expected CC to meet us at midnight or thereabouts at the HI and instead I call a couple of hours later, I'd wonder wth is going on.  It makes me sick to read CC saying that Paulus & Joran repeatedly stating they would do anything to help find Natalee....the bogus info about the casino & winning $ back for Natalee....all BS...

Janet & ******* both mentioned a full transcript, which I may or may not have read but I still remember all the cuts in the video seen that night on Greta.   

[msmarple]

I too thank Leslie for the morning paper delivery; sorry I don't say "Thank You" often enough. Lots of stuff today in Diario (not sure what most of this MEANS, though ... )

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/9/18/

SPENCER A WORDE MALTRATA CU BLOKI DEN CARA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Dialuna merdia polis a ricibi informacion cu den e cas den Chilestraat tin un hende herida benta riba cama y tabata sacando sanger pa boca y nanishi.

Esaki despues cu el a ser maltrata cu un bloki den cara den oranan trempan di mainta. Mesora nan a manda ambulans na e adres menciona ora e personal di ambulans a yega na e adres nan a mira cu e cas ta mustra decai y tabata tin holor stinki, asina mes nan a drenta y a topa cu e conocido di Polis, Spencer, na sanger drumi riba cama cu nanishi kibra, wowo y cachete hincha nan a lante y a papia cune pa hibele hospital pa ayanan haya atencion medico.

Segun por a compronde e cas aki ta ser usa pa chollernan y segun testigonan e cas aki ta ser bishita frecuentemente pa muchanan jong cu ta bay school bisiñanan mes tin hopi problema cu e diferente chollernan cu ta bay na e cas eynan nan ta pidi por medio di esaki atencion na autoridad ya cu den cercania ta hendenan di edad indefenso. Mientras tanto, Spencer a keda interna na Hospital.

Online Pap translation:

spencer owing to worde maltrata cu bloki in cara

oranjestad (aan): monday afternoon {9/17} police owing to ricibi informacion cu in the cas in chilestraat have a injury throw on cama y was sacando blood for mouth y nose.

this after cu past owing to being maltrata cu one bloki in cara in oranan trempan of morning. at once they owing to send ambulance at the adres menciona hour the personal of ambulance owing to arrive at the adres they owing to see cu the cas is show decai y was have holor stinki, so self they owing to enter y owing to come across cu the conocido of police, spencer, at blood sleep on cama cu nose break, eye y cachete swell they owing to lante y owing to talk cune for hibele hospital for ayanan achieve atencion medico.

according can owing to compronde the cas here is being using for chollernan y according testigonan the cas here is being visit frecuentemente for children jong cu is bay school bisiñanan self have much problem cu the various chollernan cu is bay at the cas eynan they're ask can medio of this atencion at autoridad already cu in cercania is hendenan of edad indefenso. all the time, spencer owing to stay interna at hospital.

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Na un forma di sino fono...
MUCHA MUHER MERICANO FORZOSAMENTE A BAY COBRA 200 DOLLAR
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): A keda reporta na Central di Polis cu diasabra atardi un incidente a socede na un Highrise Hotel.

Patruya cu a worde dirigi a atende e caso, a resulta cu un mucha muher naci na merca di 22 aña biba na Aruba a bay na e restaurant di e hotel encuestion. E mucha muher Mericano su motibo di a acudi na e restaurant tin di haber, cu el a bay atende un empleada cu segun su version debe 200 Dollar.

Pero durante di esaki a surgi un discusion cu na dado momento a sali for di man, a tuma lugar partimento di golpi a cay na ambos banda.

Mientras N.W., a declara tambe cu masha tempo caba e mester di cent, pero e muher R. no kier page, y e ora e atardi ey el a dicidi di bolbe acerca R. pa su placa.

Polis a splica N.W. cu e tin di busca un otro manera pa cobra e summa di 200 Dollar. A papia cu e manager di e empleada R. si por regla un que otro pa N.W. por ricibi e summa encuestion.

Pero e empleada R. a bisa e no sa te asina leu cu e debe N.W. ningun cent. No ta worde menciona si e partidonan envolvi a yega na un areglo.

Online Pap translation:

at one form of but fono...
child muher mericano forzosamente owing to
bay cobra 200 dollar

oranjestad (aan): owing to stay reporta at central of police cu saturday {9/15/2007} nightfall one incidente owing to socede at one highrise hotel.

patrol cu owing to worde dirigi owing to atende the caso, owing to resulta cu one child muher naci at merca of 22 year live at aruba owing to bay at the restaurant of the hotel encuestion. the child muher mericano his motibo of owing to acudi at the restaurant have of haber, cu past owing to bay atende one empleada cu according his version owe 200 dollar.

but during of this owing to surgi one discusion cu at dado instant owing to leave for of hand, did take lugar partimento of golpi owing to cay at both near.

while n.w., owing to declara also cu very time end the have to of cent, but the muher r. does not page, y the hour the nightfall ey past owing to dicidi of go back acerca r. for his coin.

police owing to splica n.w. cu the have of busca one another as for cobra the summa of 200 dollar. owing to talk cu the manager of the empleada r. if can regulation one que another for n.w. can ricibi the summa encuestion.

but the empleada r. owing to tell the not know till so far cu the owe n.w. none cent. do not worde menciona if the partidonan envolvi owing to arrive at one areglo.

The above sounds like a dispute about a $200 restaurant bill, involving an American "N.W." ...

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Nan a admiti di a hit casino
DENTRO DI POCO TRES TURCO LO TIN DI PRESENTA DEN CORTE
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Despues di casi un luna, a worde treci dilanti di un caso relaciona cu marcamento di carta den casino te cu director di un Highrise hotel a entrega denuncia oficial. Ta asina cu tres estrahero denuncia a worde entrega contra di nan pa a mafia e casino durante wega di poker. E caso a worde investiga profundamente y na unda permiso a worde duna pa aresta tres homber procedente di Turkia.

E detencion a tuma lugar na aeropuerto net na momento cu e trio aki kier a bandona Aruba. Ta trata di e hombernan di inicialnan V.S. di 41 aña, B.S. di 30 aña y F.A.di 46 aña. A keda confisca suma di placa considerable segun e informe ta menciona y esnan deteni a admiti nan culpalidad.

Mientras tanto, DIARIO kier a trece dilanti cu e trio ta encarcela na KIA y nan ta spera nan caso presenta den corte di husticia. E trio tabata haci uso di blade pa marca e cartanan y via di camera tambe por a nota e modus operandi di e Turconan aki cu a hit un of mas casino.

Tabata gracias na autoridad Mericano cu a manda informe pa entre otro pa autoridad Arubano debi na bon cooperacion cu ta existi e investigacion a cuminsa lora. Ya cu e grupo aki segun informe a hit den caribe tambe un casino, pero a yega na un areglo pa nan worde expulso for di e Isla.

Mientras na Merca e trio a tira para den dos casino entre otro na Las Vegas. No ta conoci si Merca su peticion a drenta caba pa pidi nan extradicion pa despues di nan sentencia na Aruba no ta exclui cu nan lo worde entrega na Merca pa responde na husticia Mericano.

Online Pap translation:

they owing to admiti of owing to hit casino
dentro of some three turco will have of
present in corte

oranjestad (aan): after of casi one month, owing to worde treci fast of one caso relaciona cu marcamento of carta in casino till cu director of one highrise hotel owing to entrega denuncia oficial. is so cu three estrahero denuncia owing to worde entrega contra of they for owing to mafia the casino during game of poker. the caso owing to worde investiga profundamente y at where permission owing to worde give for aresta three man procedente of turkia.

the detencion did take lugar at aeropuerto just at instant cu the trio here wanted owing to bandona aruba. is deal of the hombernan of inicialnan v.s. of 41 year, b.s. of 30 year y f.a.di 46 year. owing to stay confisca suma of coin considerable according the informe is menciona y esnan deteni owing to admiti they culpalidad.

all the time, daily paper wanted owing to trece fast cu the trio is encarcela at kia y they're wait for they caso present in corte of husticia. the trio was haci usage of blade for mark the cartanan y via of camera also can owing to notice the modus operandi of the turconan here cu owing to hit one or more casino.

was gracias at autoridad mericano cu owing to send informe for among another for autoridad aruban debi at good cooperacion cu is existi the investigacion owing to cuminsa lora. already cu the are here according informe owing to hit in caribe also one casino, but owing to arrive at one areglo for they worde expulso for of the island.

while at merca the trio owing to throw stop in two casino among another at las vegas. do not conoci if merca his peticion owing to enter end for ask they extradicion for after of they sentencia at aruba do not exclui cu they will worde entrega at merca for responde at husticia mericano.

I think the above is about 3 guys, possibly Turkish? - who were caught in some kind of casino ripoff. Apparently they've done the same elsewhere in the Caribbean and in America (LV).

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SUPUESTO SECURITY GUARD A SPANTA UN TURISTA
DJIS PA HORTA CARTERA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un caso cu ta worde investiga relaciona cu un incidente combina cu ladronicia cual a tuma lugar na un high rise hotel riba diadomingo anochi. Central di Polis riba Diadomingo anochi a ricibi yamada cu presencia di patruya ta worde solicita na un Highrise Hotel, esaki tin di haber cu un caso di ladronicia.

Patruya cu a worde dirigi, e agentenan a atende e homber naci na Merca di inicialnan C.D. cu tin 25 aña. E homber C.D. ta na Aruba como turista, e ta conta cu hunto cu su cas nan a haci un paseo riba beach.

Na dado momento e bishitante kier a tira un cabez den laman. El a dicidi di haci uso di un palapa na unda el a kita su carson den cual e tin su cartera. Su casa a keda bao di palapa y e mes a cana drenta laman.

Pero durante su casa ta sperando riba dje bao di e palapa, a presenta un homber bisti como guardia di seguridad cu tin un estatura di mas o menos 1.90 meter. Na un dado momento e guardia uniforma, color cla cabey preto cortico a saca su parti intimo den direccion di e señora turista.

Loke e homber supuestamente guardia di seguridad aki a haci a pone e turista femenino na careda y a core direccion di laman pa alerta su casa di e sosedido repudiable.

Pa ora cu e señora y su casa a regresa na e palapa e supuesto guardia di seguridad a desaparece. Locual ta e contenido den saco di carson di e turista denunciante a somenta, esta su cartera.

E caso tin atencion debido di Recherche y tin di worde investiga si enberdad lo ta trata di un guardia di seguridad. Ta spera cu cameranan instala lo por a capta e locual cu segun e denuncia entrega na autoridad.

Online Pap translation:
supuesto security guard owing to spanta one tourist
immidiately for steal cartera

oranjestad (aan): one caso cu is worde investiga relaciona cu one incidente combina cu ladronicia cual did take lugar at one high rise hotel on diadomingo night. central of police on diadomingo night owing to ricibi call cu presencia of patrol is worde solicita at one highrise hotel, this have of haber cu one caso of ladronicia.

patrol cu owing to worde dirigi, the agentenan owing to atende he naci at merca of inicialnan c.d. cu have 25 year. he c.d. is at aruba because; tourist, the is count ; cu together cu his cas they owing to haci one paseo on beach.

at dado instant the bishitante wanted owing to throw one cabez in sea. past owing to dicidi of haci usage of one palapa at where past owing to less his carson in cual the have his cartera. his casa owing to stay bao of palapa y the self owing to march enter sea.

but during his casa is sperando on dje bao of the palapa, owing to present one man dress because; guardia of seguridad cu have one estatura of more or less 1.90 metre. at one dado instant the guardia uniforma, color cla cabey black cortico owing to saca his part intimo in direccion of the madam tourist.

thing he supuestamente guardia of seguridad here owing to haci owing to place the tourist female at careda y owing to core direccion of sea for alerta his casa of the sosedido repudiable.

for hour cu the madam y his casa owing to return at the palapa the supuesto guardia of seguridad owing to desaparece. locual is the contenido in saco of carson of the tourist denunciante owing to somenta, esta his cartera.

the caso have atencion debido of recherche y have of worde investiga if enberdad will is deal of one guardia of seguridad. is wait for cu cameranan instala will can owing to capta the locual cu according the denuncia entrega at autoridad.

Apparently a male tourist (American?) tried to steal a camera; was on the beach; tried to throw the camera into the ocean as guards approached him; then SOMEHOW in the midst of this managed to flash his "intimate parts" in front of a female tourist ... as always, don't know how close to correct this "summation" is.

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Casonan cu a socede na Sero Colorado y Boca Grandi...
RECHERCHE DEN UN PROYECTO SPECIAL A
RESOLVE HORTAMENTO DEN AUTO
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Pa pueblo por haya un imagen di loke Recherche ta haci, y ki resultado nan ta logra, e siman aki DIARIO a haya sa di un “proyecto special” cu a worde ehecuta cu e unico meta: Resolve y stop e ola di ladronicia na Sero Colorado y Boca Grandi.

E proyecto mes a carga e nomber “Project auto-inbraak San Nicolaas”, y esaki a bin na bida despues cu entre 23 di Juli 2007 y 6 Augustus 2007, pues den dos siman di tempo, a ricibi 15 keho di ladronicia for di autonan na Sero Colorado y Boca Grandi. Aunke ladronicia ta socede varios biaha den e area aki, loke a hala atencion di Recherche ta cu esaki a aumenta drasticamente den e dos siman ey.

Pesey a reuni y a lanta e proyecto aki, cu tin e unico meta pa para e ola di ladronicia y captura e ladronnan! Nan a ehecuta e proyecto den un siman, y el a resulta exitoso! Ya caba riba segundo dia, nan a detene dos sospechoso net ora cu nan ta hortando.

Despues a haci listramento na nan cas, y e sospechosonan a worde interoga. Nan a basha abao y asina a logra detene 3 hende mas. A bay listra den nan cas tambe. Aki a haya varios mercancia horta.

Despues di e serie di detencion aki, a nota cu no tabatin ningun caso mas di ladronicia registra den e area aki! Pabien Recherche di San Nicolas!

Online Pap translation:

casonan cu owing to socede at hill colorado y
mouth big...
recherche in one proyecto special owing to
resolve hortamento in car

oranjestad (aan): for people can achieve one imagen of thing recherche is haci, y what result they're succeed, the week here daily paper owing to achieve know of one “proyecto special” cu owing to worde ehecuta cu the unique meta: resolve y stop the wave of ladronicia at hill colorado y mouth big.

the proyecto self owing to carga the name “project auto-inbraak san nicolaas”, y this owing to come at life after cu among 23 of july 2007 y 6 august 2007, then in two week of time, owing to ricibi 15 complaint of ladronicia for of autonan at hill colorado y mouth big. although ladronicia is socede several trip in the area here, thing owing to wing atencion of recherche is cu this owing to aumenta drasticamente in the two week ey.

pesey owing to reuni y owing to arise the proyecto here, cu have the unique aim for stop the wave of ladronicia y captura the ladronnan! they owing to ehecuta the proyecto in one week, y past owing to resulta exitoso! already end on second day, they owing to detene two sospechoso just hour cu they're hortando.

after owing to haci listramento at they cas, y the sospechosonan owing to worde interoga. they owing to pour abao y so owing to succeed detene 3 person more. owing to bay listra in they cas also. here owing to achieve several mercancia steal.

after of the serie of detencion here, owing to notice cu not had none caso more of ladronicia registra in the area here! pabien recherche of san nicolas!

After reports of about 15 auto break-ins during a two-week period at Boca Grandi and Sero Colorado, a special investigation arrested 5 people ... and seemingly no more cases in the area since. I don't know whether the reference to "several Americans" is saying they are victims or culprits.

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[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks, San!

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VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Beth have any idea at that point, as far as you knew, who her daughter had been seen with or who she had last been known to be with?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did she tell you?

C. CROES: Specifically, she told me that her daughter went to Carlos and Charlie's, and that, while there, she had met up with a young guy and asked him to take her home, and that she got into a small silver or gray car that had a large exhaust on the back and tinted windows, and had left.

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Does anyone think that Beth really made the comment above in red to Charles ??

Does anyone think that Charles Croes is a 'player' and in this up to his beady eyeballs?? And a lieing POS?

No & Yes.....we were posting with similar thoughts at the same time. 

[greeneyedlady]

What did Charles Croes see in Joran's eyes and why is that part of PVDS's statement missing?

He saw EVIL.

  I certainly agree with you there, San.

[sharon]

No & Yes.....we were posting with similar thoughts at the same time. 

 

'similar minds' 

[Tamikosmom]

No & Yes.....we were posting with similar thoughts at the same time. 

 

'similar minds' 

There is a saying ... "Great minds thnk alike".   

There is also a saying ... "Fools seldom differ".   

Sharon ... don't hit me!!!!

 

Janet

[2NJSons_Mom]

No & Yes.....we were posting with similar thoughts at the same time. 

 

'similar minds' 

There is a saying ... "Great minds thnk alike".   

There is also a saying ... "Fools seldom differ".   

Sharon ... don't hit me!!!!

 

Janet

    We both have degrees from the same institution of 'higher' learning....mmmm